Worst American president in history?

[The Fraticelli Papacy]

Need I even say it? George W. Bush. worst president ever. 1. he caused the recession, 2. took away civil rights, 3. started the bush wars, etc.

1. The recession was mainly due to out of control spending by the Democratic-controlled congress and throwback from the housing bubble that they inherited from the Clinton administration.
2. No.
3. The Bush wars? Many other nations were involved, namely the ones that you know, supported the terrorists that attacked us (in the case of Afghanistan), or refused to admit they didn't have nuclear weapons because they didn't want to look bad (Iraq).

[Confederation of the Highlands]

A fort that has a fairly sized garrison during a time of peace, and not under siege should have the supplies necessary for at least several weeks.

And the original supply count they had was before the CSA blockades. They had to push back their withdrawl. Thus, they needed more food. Fuck this isn't rocket science.

Blockaded?! By what, fishing vessels? The CSA had very few true warships, many of them weren't issued until 1862 and '63 (such as the CSS Alabama).

[Death Metal]

Need I even say it? George W. Bush. worst president ever. 1. he caused the recession, 2. took away civil rights, 3. started the bush wars, etc.

1. The recession was mainly due to out of control spending by the Democratic-controlled congress and throwback from the housing bubble that they inherited from the Clinton administration.
2. No.
3. The Bush wars? Many other nations were involved, namely the ones that you know, supported the terrorists that attacked us (in the case of Afghanistan), or refused to admit they didn't have nuclear weapons because they didn't want to look bad (Iraq).

1. lolwut? The same Congress that had a surplus budget? Get real. The spending didn't happen until the war effort.
2. DOMA.
3. lolwut again? Afghanistan was on our side and Iraq repeatedly claimed they had no nuclear weapons. Stop drinking the GOP kool-aid. Even they aren't parroting those lies anymore.

[Republic of Portland]

The same George bush that had 52 months of consecutive job growth?

And ended up with the worst jobless rate since the Depression by the end of his first term.

Unemployment only went above 7% twice in his entire 8 years. http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000

[The Fraticelli Papacy]

1. The recession was mainly due to out of control spending by the Democratic-controlled congress and throwback from the housing bubble that they inherited from the Clinton administration.
2. No.
3. The Bush wars? Many other nations were involved, namely the ones that you know, supported the terrorists that attacked us (in the case of Afghanistan), or refused to admit they didn't have nuclear weapons because they didn't want to look bad (Iraq).

1. lolwut? The same Congress that had a surplus budget? Get real. The spending didn't happen until the war effort.
2. DOMA.
3. lolwut again? Afghanistan was on our side and Iraq repeatedly claimed they had no nuclear weapons. Stop drinking the GOP kool-aid. Even they aren't parroting those lies anymore.

1. 2007. Deficit.
2. Not passed by Bush.
3. Afghanistan wasn't on our side until we created the new government. The Taliban was the (at least seen as the) legitimate government of Afghanistan before the invasion.

[UED]

YEAH! The CSA should have won! Down with the Union!

That is what my mind thinks it is hearing

[Confederation of the Highlands]

YEAH! The CSA should have won! Down with the Union!

That is what my mind thinks it is hearing

Or at least not have their women raped an cities burned by an invading army.....

[UED]

YEAH! The CSA should have won! Down with the Union!

That is what my mind thinks it is hearing

Or at least not have their women raped an cities burned by an invading army.....

Rape is a horrible thing yet it happens in every war. Almost no denial to that.

[United Traders]

YEAH! The CSA should have won! Down with the Union!

That is what my mind thinks it is hearing

Personally I think that Murica would have been much better in today's world had the CSA won it's independence. Which shouldn't have to have been fought over in the first place.

[The Fraticelli Papacy]

YEAH! The CSA should have won! Down with the Union!

That is what my mind thinks it is hearing

Or at least not have their women raped an cities burned by an invading army.....

"Their"? "Invading"? The CSA was an insurrection, a false government. The legitimate government had every right to intervene.

[UED]

Or at least not have their women raped an cities burned by an invading army.....

"Their"? "Invading"? The CSA was an insurrection, a false government. The legitimate government had every right to intervene.

That is true, its a section of a nation declaring independence when I believe it had no right to do so.
I love how some people portray the union as an oppressive government (it sort of was, just more than it actually was)

[Confederation of the Highlands]

Or at least not have their women raped an cities burned by an invading army.....

"Their"? "Invading"? The CSA was an insurrection, a false government. The legitimate government had every right to intervene.

Did the "legitimate government" have the right to imprison another "legitimate government's" legislature?

[United Traders]

Or at least not have their women raped an cities burned by an invading army.....

"Their"? "Invading"? The CSA was an insurrection, a false government. The legitimate government had every right to intervene.

They absolutely no right to invade, I would love to hear your...reasoning... for thinking so.

[UED]

YEAH! The CSA should have won! Down with the Union!

That is what my mind thinks it is hearing

Personally I think that Murica would have been much better in today's world had the CSA won it's independence. Which shouldn't have to have been fought over in the first place.

Half your country declare independence, what do you do?

[The Fraticelli Papacy]

"Their"? "Invading"? The CSA was an insurrection, a false government. The legitimate government had every right to intervene.

That is true, its a section of a nation declaring independence when I believe it had no right to do so.
I love how some people portray the union as an oppressive government (it sort of was, just more than it actually was)

The only oppressive government was the one that allowed its bourgeoisie to own other people.

[The Fraticelli Papacy]

"Their"? "Invading"? The CSA was an insurrection, a false government. The legitimate government had every right to intervene.

Did the "legitimate government" have the right to imprison another "legitimate government's" legislature?

They were traitors. What did you expect them to do?

[United Traders]

"Their"? "Invading"? The CSA was an insurrection, a false government. The legitimate government had every right to intervene.

That is true, its a section of a nation declaring independence when I believe it had no right to do so.
I love how some people portray the union as an oppressive government (it sort of was, just more than it actually was)

The CSA has a right IN THE CONSTITUTION allowing them to leave the Union, no strings attached.

[Kelinfort]

1. lolwut? The same Congress that had a surplus budget? Get real. The spending didn't happen until the war effort.
2. DOMA.
3. lolwut again? Afghanistan was on our side and Iraq repeatedly claimed they had no nuclear weapons. Stop drinking the GOP kool-aid. Even they aren't parroting those lies anymore.

1. 2007. Deficit.
2. Not passed by Bush.
3. Afghanistan wasn't on our side until we created the new government. The Taliban was the (at least seen as the) legitimate government of Afghanistan before the invasion.

1. Inherited from the Republican congress.
2. Patriot Act, unfortunately, the Dems supported it too
3. Questionable, but still they did at least negotiate with us.

[Confederation of the Highlands]

That is true, its a section of a nation declaring independence when I believe it had no right to do so.
I love how some people portray the union as an oppressive government (it sort of was, just more than it actually was)

The only oppressive government was the one that allowed its bourgeoisie to own other people.

So then both are oppressive. Slavery was allowed in Washington DC and Deleware, obviously staunch Union areas.

[Death Metal]

And the original supply count they had was before the CSA blockades. They had to push back their withdrawl. Thus, they needed more food. Fuck this isn't rocket science.

Blockaded?! By what, fishing vessels? The CSA had very few true warships, many of them weren't issued until 1862 and '63 (such as the CSS Alabama).

You mean besides the gunships, armed schooners, armed sloops, and armed privateer ships?

[Kelinfort]

That is true, its a section of a nation declaring independence when I believe it had no right to do so.
I love how some people portray the union as an oppressive government (it sort of was, just more than it actually was)

The CSA has a right IN THE CONSTITUTION allowing them to leave the Union, no strings attached.

Source it.

[The Fraticelli Papacy]

YEAH! The CSA should have won! Down with the Union!

That is what my mind thinks it is hearing

Personally I think that Murica would have been much better in today's world had the CSA won it's independence. Which shouldn't have to have been fought over in the first place.

Slavery would've continued until at least the 1900s. That would've been disgusting. The realities of slavery are too harsh for any of us to even think of.

[Confederation of the Highlands]

Blockaded?! By what, fishing vessels? The CSA had very few true warships, many of them weren't issued until 1862 and '63 (such as the CSS Alabama).

You mean besides the gunships, armed schooners, armed sloops, and armed privateer ships?

If they were evacuating, and the Fort blockaded, would they not have sent frigate escorts with the transport ships?

[UED]

Personally I think that Murica would have been much better in today's world had the CSA won it's independence. Which shouldn't have to have been fought over in the first place.

Slavery would've continued until at least the 1900s. That would've been disgusting. The realities of slavery are too harsh for any of us to even think of.

I expect someone to counter with something about the northerners being capitalists and oppressing workers, I've seen the argument before

[UED]

That is true, its a section of a nation declaring independence when I believe it had no right to do so.
I love how some people portray the union as an oppressive government (it sort of was, just more than it actually was)

The CSA has a right IN THE CONSTITUTION allowing them to leave the Union, no strings attached.

That is true, but if in your constitution it was the same, would you let half your country secede?