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The greater Vakolicci Haven wrote:

Edward Richtofen wrote:Coughlin pulls it out of his ass a third time if the giants are magically in the superbowl again

that would be nice, although they offloaded far too many good veteran players too quickly.

To be fair The Giants offense got lucky the first time
The Giants Defense got lucky the second time

The greater Vakolicci Haven wrote:

Bythyrona wrote:And where did I say it was wrong to acknowledge that what happens on the field matter? Where did I say that winning doesn't matter? Humility and being a graceful winner is every bit as important as being a graceful loser, despite this horseshit EVERYTHING IS A COMPETITION HURRRR mentality that the West espouses.

"Talent is God given. Be humble. Fame is man-given. Be grateful. Conceit is self-given. Be careful." - John Wooden
"Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble." - John Madden
"Build me a son who will be strong enough to know when he is weak, and brave enough to face himself when he is afraid, one who will be proud and unbending in honest defeat, and humble and gentle in victory." - Douglas MacArthur

Not really. It is important to show your superiority in any competition of skill, and to make that obvious. This is especially true if you've got a big game coming up, and the patriots do have a farely big game coming up I think. It boosts confidence immensely.

Yep, you're right, strength and brutalizing the competition is better than any compassion or humility you could ever show your opponent on the pitch. THE LAST FIVE MINUTES OF THE AFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME AND HOW THEY WERE PLAYED WILL DETERMINE A GAME THAT WILL TAKE PLACE TWO WEEKS FROM NOW. Children's sports? THEY ONLY EXIST TO FURTHER REGIMENT SOCIETY INTO TIERS OF THE WORTHY AND UNWORTHY! What a fool John Wooden was to not act like Bob Knight!

http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/down-w ... 1601764538
^ Pretty much why I think every assertion you've made about competition is wrong.

"Winning shit is nice. I'm never gonna discount how awesome winning feels, even when it involves me crushing my kid at foosball. But winning is best viewed not as a goal, but as the fortunate byproduct of chasing another, more realistic goal—the satisfaction of hard work done well. Enslaving yourself to the almighty W makes you stupid; it deforms you, robs you of your creativity, as you pursue some agreed-upon idea of excellence instead of doing the worthwhile job of defining it for yourself. No one ever thought of a good idea in the middle of cramming for the SAT.

When Louis CK took to Twitter to decry the Common Core curriculum that is now standard in many schools, his chief complaint was that his kids didn't like learning anymore. Rather than exploring new thoughts and ideas, they were basically forced to learn how to be competitive at a bunch of tests, many of them clumsily written. They weren't learning for themselves anymore; they were learning for some faceless exam that would sort them and then tell them if they were competitive or not, and if their school was competitive enough to earn the federal funding needed to remain competitive."

Bythyrona wrote:

The greater Vakolicci Haven wrote:Not really. It is important to show your superiority in any competition of skill, and to make that obvious. This is especially true if you've got a big game coming up, and the patriots do have a farely big game coming up I think. It boosts confidence immensely.

Yep, you're right, strength and brutalizing the competition is better than any compassion or humility you could ever show your opponent on the pitch. THE LAST FIVE MINUTES OF THE AFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME AND HOW THEY WERE PLAYED WILL DETERMINE A GAME THAT WILL TAKE PLACE TWO WEEKS FROM NOW. Children's sports? THEY ONLY EXIST TO FURTHER REGIMENT SOCIETY INTO TIERS OF THE WORTHY AND UNWORTHY! What a fool John Wooden was to not act like Bob Knight!

http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/down-w ... 1601764538
^ Pretty much why I think every assertion you've made about competition is wrong.

"Winning shit is nice. I'm never gonna discount how awesome winning feels, even when it involves me crushing my kid at foosball. But winning is best viewed not as a goal, but as the fortunate byproduct of chasing another, more realistic goal—the satisfaction of hard work done well. Enslaving yourself to the almighty W makes you stupid; it deforms you, robs you of your creativity, as you pursue some agreed-upon idea of excellence instead of doing the worthwhile job of defining it for yourself. No one ever thought of a good idea in the middle of cramming for the SAT.

When Louis CK took to Twitter to decry the Common Core curriculum that is now standard in many schools, his chief complaint was that his kids didn't like learning anymore. Rather than exploring new thoughts and ideas, they were basically forced to learn how to be competitive at a bunch of tests, many of them clumsily written. They weren't learning for themselves anymore; they were learning for some faceless exam that would sort them and then tell them if they were competitive or not, and if their school was competitive enough to earn the federal funding needed to remain competitive."

Don't use nonsensical analagies. Schools obviously need to teach students to pass exams, otherwise their'd be no system of judging progress.

However, I don't see that being relevant to a clearly superior team going easy on an opposition simply to maintain some odd form of 'compassion.' They've nothing to be humble about; they should go and destroy the other team and try and set a record.

Wisconsin9 wrote:

Bythyrona wrote:As much as I'd like to agree with that sentiment, the Colts didn't lose because of Deflategate. Spygate was far worse, and would have been paid far more attention to had ESPN not fucking slobbered over LOL PERFECT SEASON every imaginable waking second of the 2007 NFL season.

The fact that it wasn't a close game is completely irrelevant. If this happened, then it still would have happened regardless of the score. And if they really did cheat, then it looks like getting docked draft picks last time didn't teach them a damn thing. A point will need to be made and it will need to be made abundantly and unquestionably clear, and if that requires telling them to stay the fuck home on the first then so be it.

I'd agree were I not a Seahawks fan and would that not be seen as self-serving.

Still, if they deflated balls that's some serious shit especially coming on the heels of Belichick's spying bullshit. I am, frankly, rather pissed that the punishment for actively cheating could be something so blase as losing draft picks. I don't care if the game was one-sided anyways, that shit is bullshit.

Maybe we could just replace the Pats with the Colts? That was the match-up I wanted to see anyways, because I kind of like Luck, despise Brady, and wanted to see a Super Bowl between new-blood quarterbacks...

Occupied Deutschland wrote:

Wisconsin9 wrote:The fact that it wasn't a close game is completely irrelevant. If this happened, then it still would have happened regardless of the score. And if they really did cheat, then it looks like getting docked draft picks last time didn't teach them a damn thing. A point will need to be made and it will need to be made abundantly and unquestionably clear, and if that requires telling them to stay the fuck home on the first then so be it.

I'd agree were I not a Seahawks fan and would that not be seen as self-serving.

Still, if they deflated balls that's some serious shit especially coming on the heels of Belichick's spying bullshit. I am, frankly, rather pissed that the punishment for actively cheating could be something so blase as losing draft picks. I don't care if the game was one-sided anyways, that shit is bullshit.

Maybe we could just replace the Pats with the Colts? That was the match-up I wanted to see anyways, because I kind of like Luck, despise Brady, and wanted to see a Super Bowl between new-blood quarterbacks...

I suppose there are a few too many problems with keeping them out of the Super Bowl, aren't there? Maybe just ban the players involved from participating. Although whatever investigations and committees to decide what should be done probably won't come to a conclusion until well after the Bowl, in which case I'd support banning them from next season's playoffs.

New England accused of cheating? Everyone's acting like this is surprising.

Occupied Deutschland wrote:

Wisconsin9 wrote:The fact that it wasn't a close game is completely irrelevant. If this happened, then it still would have happened regardless of the score. And if they really did cheat, then it looks like getting docked draft picks last time didn't teach them a damn thing. A point will need to be made and it will need to be made abundantly and unquestionably clear, and if that requires telling them to stay the fuck home on the first then so be it.

I'd agree were I not a Seahawks fan and would that not be seen as self-serving.

Still, if they deflated balls that's some serious shit especially coming on the heels of Belichick's spying bullshit. I am, frankly, rather pissed that the punishment for actively cheating could be something so blase as losing draft picks. I don't care if the game was one-sided anyways, that shit is bullshit.

Maybe we could just replace the Pats with the Colts? That was the match-up I wanted to see anyways, because I kind of like Luck, despise Brady, and wanted to see a Super Bowl between new-blood quarterbacks...

I'd like to see a superbowl with some competition, thanks.

Occupied Deutschland wrote:

Wisconsin9 wrote:The fact that it wasn't a close game is completely irrelevant. If this happened, then it still would have happened regardless of the score. And if they really did cheat, then it looks like getting docked draft picks last time didn't teach them a damn thing. A point will need to be made and it will need to be made abundantly and unquestionably clear, and if that requires telling them to stay the fuck home on the first then so be it.

I'd agree were I not a Seahawks fan and would that not be seen as self-serving.

Still, if they deflated balls that's some serious shit especially coming on the heels of Belichick's spying bullshit. I am, frankly, rather pissed that the punishment for actively cheating could be something so blase as losing draft picks. I don't care if the game was one-sided anyways, that shit is bullshit.

Maybe we could just replace the Pats with the Colts? That was the match-up I wanted to see anyways, because I kind of like Luck, despise Brady, and wanted to see a Super Bowl between new-blood quarterbacks...

So the Seahawks would win 69-0 over the Colts? Sorry, I'd like to actually see a game.

It's still being investigated. As of right now, there is no proof that the Patriots cheated the game.

The Super Bowl matchup is ideal.

The greater Vakolicci Haven wrote:Don't use nonsensical analagies. Schools obviously need to teach students to pass exams, otherwise their'd be no system of judging progress.

However, I don't see that being relevant to a clearly superior team going easy on an opposition simply to maintain some odd form of 'compassion.' They've nothing to be humble about; they should go and destroy the other team and try and set a record.

Don't use nonsensical expectations for children, then, and stop spouting bullshit about exams and their indication of progress that is blatantly untrue.

What do you not see? Humility matters. Life is not one big competition. The West favors a one-sided view that everything must be COMPETITIVE - a view that has disastrous and demonstrable implications for the youth of today and tomorrow.

Occupied Deutschland wrote:

Wisconsin9 wrote:The fact that it wasn't a close game is completely irrelevant. If this happened, then it still would have happened regardless of the score. And if they really did cheat, then it looks like getting docked draft picks last time didn't teach them a damn thing. A point will need to be made and it will need to be made abundantly and unquestionably clear, and if that requires telling them to stay the fuck home on the first then so be it.

I'd agree were I not a Seahawks fan and would that not be seen as self-serving.

Still, if they deflated balls that's some serious shit especially coming on the heels of Belichick's spying bullshit. I am, frankly, rather pissed that the punishment for actively cheating could be something so blase as losing draft picks. I don't care if the game was one-sided anyways, that shit is bullshit.

Maybe we could just replace the Pats with the Colts? That was the match-up I wanted to see anyways, because I kind of like Luck, despise Brady, and wanted to see a Super Bowl between new-blood quarterbacks...

Fuck Brady.

If he does end up going to Glendale, he's going to go home and cry into his pillow about how hard he lost despite daddy Belichick's attempts to cheat the Hawks in every way.

I'm saddened that no matter what Seattle does, it simply cannot exceed the gigantic trolling achievement that was last year.

Though admittedly, they're trying.

Also, wtf is this. People complaining about high scores? Jesus christ.

What is best in sports?

To crush your opponents. To see them weeping on the field, and to hear the lamentations of their fanbase.

So, the NFL has found that 11 of the 12 Patriots game footballs were deflated.

What we need to be thinking, however, is did the Patriots need to deflate the footballs? Why the hell did they even do it? They'd have beaten the Colts anyway.

The greater Vakolicci Haven wrote:So, the NFL has found that 11 of the 12 Patriots game footballs were deflated.

What we need to be thinking, however, is did the Patriots need to deflate the footballs? Why the hell did they even do it? They'd have beaten the Colts anyway.

Why did they do it? Does that even need to be asked? It's because they're flat out, god damn idiots. Pure and simple. Time to slap a huge-ass fine on the entire team and/or strip something valuable to them. I'm hoping for all of the above. No sympathy for cheating scumbags.

Also, quick and easy link to a source.

Bralia wrote:

The greater Vakolicci Haven wrote:So, the NFL has found that 11 of the 12 Patriots game footballs were deflated.

What we need to be thinking, however, is did the Patriots need to deflate the footballs? Why the hell did they even do it? They'd have beaten the Colts anyway.

Why did they do it? Does that even need to be asked? It's because they're flat out, god damn idiots. Pure and simple. Time to slap a huge-ass fine on the entire team and/or strip something valuable to them. I'm hoping for all of the above. No sympathy for cheating scumbags.

Also, quick and easy link to a source.

You can't fine the entire team. We don't actually know whose decision it was to fuck with the balls.

Can't wait to see how they try and worm their way out of this.

Deflate-gate is just the tip of the iceberg.

Postpone the Superbowl until ALL Patriots underlings are thoroughly (and separately) quizzed about what they have done before, during and after games.

Let the government handle the inquiry; remember, the NFL destroyed the video evidence against the Patriots, a thing unheard-of until then.

Patriots right guard Ryan Wendell on Nov 23, 2014: "We will do whatever it takes to win."

Tom Brady, several days ago " We do whatever it takes to win."

The coach failed in Cleveland; the QB was a 6th round pick. They have no skill with which to win.

So what does it take for them to win?

One guess.

So let's have a thorough and impartial investigation.

And then let's reveal the roots of the Kraft money pile, in promoting illegal Jewish settlements in Palestine.

So does this DefalteGate mean the Colts are going to the SuperBowl? If so, then I need to up my bet on Seattle.

Torisakia wrote:So does this DefalteGate mean the Colts are going to the SuperBowl? If so, then I need to up my bet on Seattle.

I think we can do better than to attach a forty-year-old suffix to every bloody scandal. Everything's a "-gate" for no better reason than intellectual laziness.

And he didn't get the nickname Beli-cheat for nothing.

Cymrea wrote:

Torisakia wrote:So does this DefalteGate mean the Colts are going to the SuperBowl? If so, then I need to up my bet on Seattle.

I think we can do better than to attach a forty-year-old suffix to every bloody scandal. Everything's a "-gate" for no better reason than intellectual laziness.

And he didn't get the nickname Beli-cheat for nothing.

ESPN gave it that name, so that means everyone has to call it that, right?

Torisakia wrote:

Cymrea wrote:I think we can do better than to attach a forty-year-old suffix to every bloody scandal. Everything's a "-gate" for no better reason than intellectual laziness.

And he didn't get the nickname Beli-cheat for nothing.

ESPN gave it that name, so that means everyone has to call it that, right?

ESPN...bah! Think they own the whole sports broadcasting universe...just cuz they own almost all of it.

The greater Vakolicci Haven wrote:So, the NFL has found that 11 of the 12 Patriots game footballs were deflated.

What we need to be thinking, however, is did the Patriots need to deflate the footballs? Why the hell did they even do it? They'd have beaten the Colts anyway.

At this point 'Because Belichick has a hard-on for cheating' seems like as good an answer as any.

That is seven different kinds of weak, underhanded bullshit. Even if the match-up was lopsided to begin with, the Colts got swindled out of a fair game. 'Cheatriots' moniker back in full force.

Torisakia wrote:So does this DefalteGate mean the Colts are going to the SuperBowl? If so, then I need to up my bet on Seattle.

They can't take away the title from the Patriots.

This circlejerk is hilarious. If it was any team except for the Patriots, no one would really care. Also, the NFL really fucked this up big time with their rules. Why do you inspect the balls at the beginning and then give them back to the team afterward? Frankly, I don't see the big deal with "Deflategate" (a lazy term that accurately reflects the absurdity of this zeitgeist). Aaron Rodgers doesn't really think there's an advantage. Hell, Brad Johnson did it back in SB37. Really, I don't know why there isn't a wider range, why don't we make it like baseball where you can tweak certain parts of the equipment to player feel?

United Russian Soviet States wrote:

Torisakia wrote:So does this DefalteGate mean the Colts are going to the SuperBowl? If so, then I need to up my bet on Seattle.

They can't take away the title from the Patriots.

Sure they can. They can force them to give up the win, can't they?