Best Fighting Forces in Modern History (1700's-Present )

[Rahwa]

To an extent, North Korea.

Instantly, I'm most likely going to get bashed, but whatever. People like to display the North Korean military as a pushover. This is far from the truth. Should a war happen, North Korea would almost instantly take most of South Korea. There are tunnels to Seoul, artillery constantly pointed at major South Korean cities and a 10 million man army, the largest in the world personnel-wise. USA and Japan would intervene and start to win the war. Their equipment is better. However, every single North Korean would be fighting against USA. There is no plausible way USA could provoke a war with North Korea and take over without tens of millions of American deaths and possible nuclear bombings. The North Korean troops are MUCH better trained than American troops. They have large amounts of military equipment such as tanks, heavy artillery, ect. So while they would lose the war, it would be much like the OP's post about Germany in the second world war. The Americans would pay dearly for every inch of land they take.

Their artillery can't target any other major city than Seoul. What's the point of having large amounts of military equipment if it belongs to museum?

[United Marxist Nations]

To an extent, North Korea.

Instantly, I'm most likely going to get bashed, but whatever. People like to display the North Korean military as a pushover. This is far from the truth. Should a war happen, North Korea would almost instantly take most of South Korea. There are tunnels to Seoul, artillery constantly pointed at major South Korean cities and a 10 million man army, the largest in the world personnel-wise. USA and Japan would intervene and start to win the war. Their equipment is better. However, every single North Korean would be fighting against USA. There is no plausible way USA could provoke a war with North Korea and take over without tens of millions of American deaths and possible nuclear bombings. The North Korean troops are MUCH better trained than American troops. They have large amounts of military equipment such as tanks, heavy artillery, ect. So while they would lose the war, it would be much like the OP's post about Germany in the second world war. The Americans would pay dearly for every inch of land they take.

South Korea is way more powerful than North Korea. North Korea would be much better off trying to fight a defensive war.

[Imperial City-States]

To an extent, North Korea.

Instantly, I'm most likely going to get bashed, but whatever. People like to display the North Korean military as a pushover. This is far from the truth. Should a war happen, North Korea would almost instantly take most of South Korea. There are tunnels to Seoul, artillery constantly pointed at major South Korean cities and a 10 million man army, the largest in the world personnel-wise. USA and Japan would intervene and start to win the war. Their equipment is better. However, every single North Korean would be fighting against USA. There is no plausible way USA could provoke a war with North Korea and take over without tens of millions of American deaths and possible nuclear bombings. The North Korean troops are MUCH better trained than American troops. They have large amounts of military equipment such as tanks, heavy artillery, ect. So while they would lose the war, it would be much like the OP's post about Germany in the second world war. The Americans would pay dearly for every inch of land they take.

That would be All fine in dandy if NK wasn't using equipment twenty years out of date . And We have an amazing thing called Air - Superiority We Don't need to even set foot in NK just flatten all of your conventional troops with Ari-support . Yes Seoul would be flattened but the amount of people that would die in the NK side would be similar to those that the USSR suffered at the hands of the Germans in WW2.

and i Disagree Strongly with that Training part. Sure they march pretty but whens the last time NK won a war ? or even fought in one ?

I understand your point of view but your Sadly mistaken

[Rahwa]

To an extent, North Korea.

Instantly, I'm most likely going to get bashed, but whatever. People like to display the North Korean military as a pushover. This is far from the truth. Should a war happen, North Korea would almost instantly take most of South Korea. There are tunnels to Seoul, artillery constantly pointed at major South Korean cities and a 10 million man army, the largest in the world personnel-wise. USA and Japan would intervene and start to win the war. Their equipment is better. However, every single North Korean would be fighting against USA. There is no plausible way USA could provoke a war with North Korea and take over without tens of millions of American deaths and possible nuclear bombings. The North Korean troops are MUCH better trained than American troops. They have large amounts of military equipment such as tanks, heavy artillery, ect. So while they would lose the war, it would be much like the OP's post about Germany in the second world war. The Americans would pay dearly for every inch of land they take.

That would be All fine in dandy if NK wasn't using equipment twenty years out of date . And We have an amazing thing called Air - Superiority We Don't need to even set foot in NK just flatten all of your conventional troops with Ari-support . Yes Seoul would be flattened but the amount of people that would die in the NK side would be similar to those that the USSR suffered at the hands of the Germans in WW2.

and i Disagree Strongly with that Training part. Sure they march pretty but whens the last time NK won a war ? or even fought in one ?

North Korea fighted in Korean war but they survived only thanks to China and USSR.

[Cyllea]

That would be All fine in dandy if NK wasn't using equipment twenty years out of date . And We have an amazing thing called Air - Superiority We Don't need to even set foot in NK just flatten all of your conventional troops with Ari-support . Yes Seoul would be flattened but the amount of people that would die in the NK side would be similar to those that the USSR suffered at the hands of the Germans in WW2.

and i Disagree Strongly with that Training part. Sure they march pretty but whens the last time NK won a war ? or even fought in one ?

North Korea fighted in Korean war but they survived only thanks to China and USSR.

South Korea only survived thanks to USA and a couple of its allies. North Korea would have won if no one had intervened.

[Imperial City-States]

Also this " Ten's of Millions of Deaths " and having to use Nuclear weapons is a Very uninformed arguement


The Only Militaries capable of putting up a fight and having a good chance of Beating the United States in a Conventional war is the Russian Federation and China .

And NK would have all of SEATO on their Ass not just the US and SK

[United Marxist Nations]

To an extent, North Korea.

Instantly, I'm most likely going to get bashed, but whatever. People like to display the North Korean military as a pushover. This is far from the truth. Should a war happen, North Korea would almost instantly take most of South Korea. There are tunnels to Seoul, artillery constantly pointed at major South Korean cities and a 10 million man army, the largest in the world personnel-wise. USA and Japan would intervene and start to win the war. Their equipment is better. However, every single North Korean would be fighting against USA. There is no plausible way USA could provoke a war with North Korea and take over without tens of millions of American deaths and possible nuclear bombings. The North Korean troops are MUCH better trained than American troops. They have large amounts of military equipment such as tanks, heavy artillery, ect. So while they would lose the war, it would be much like the OP's post about Germany in the second world war. The Americans would pay dearly for every inch of land they take.

That would be All fine in dandy if NK wasn't using equipment twenty years out of date . And We have an amazing thing called Air - Superiority We Don't need to even set foot in NK just flatten all of your conventional troops with Ari-support . Yes Seoul would be flattened but the amount of people that would die in the NK side would be similar to those that the USSR suffered at the hands of the Germans in WW2.

and i Disagree Strongly with that Training part. Sure they march pretty but whens the last time NK won a war ? or even fought in one ?

I understand your point of view but your Sadly mistaken

The US would probably look bad if it killed every North Korean. Even South Korea would probably be pissed. It would probably be considered a genocide.

[Imperial City-States]

That would be All fine in dandy if NK wasn't using equipment twenty years out of date . And We have an amazing thing called Air - Superiority We Don't need to even set foot in NK just flatten all of your conventional troops with Ari-support . Yes Seoul would be flattened but the amount of people that would die in the NK side would be similar to those that the USSR suffered at the hands of the Germans in WW2.

and i Disagree Strongly with that Training part. Sure they march pretty but whens the last time NK won a war ? or even fought in one ?

I understand your point of view but your Sadly mistaken

The US would probably look bad if it killed every North Korean. Even South Korea would probably be pissed. It would probably be considered a genocide.

I'm not refering to the genocide part but the Amount of Russian Military Casualties Sustained compared to the ones the Germans suffered ( 4:1 Ratio )

[United Marxist Nations]

North Korea fighted in Korean war but they survived only thanks to China and USSR.

South Korea only survived thanks to USA and a couple of its allies. North Korea would have won if no one had intervened.

That's true, but it was also decades ago. Times have changed.

[United Marxist Nations]

The US would probably look bad if it killed every North Korean. Even South Korea would probably be pissed. It would probably be considered a genocide.

I'm not refering to the genocide part but the Amount of Russian Military Casualties Sustained compared to the ones the Germans suffered ( 4:1 Ratio )

Oh, you meant ratio, I thought you meant gross amount.

[Rahwa]

North Korea fighted in Korean war but they survived only thanks to China and USSR.

South Korea only survived thanks to USA and a couple of its allies. North Korea would have won if no one had intervened.

North Korea was supported by China and USSR with weapons from day one.

[Imperial City-States]

Pit this North Koreas MBT that has never been battle tested

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pokpung-ho



Against any of the NATO and SEATO Tanks

Challanger II
Leopard 2A5
Abrams A3
Merekava M5

and dozens of others all of which have Been Battle tested and Cry

[Cyllea]

South Korea only survived thanks to USA and a couple of its allies. North Korea would have won if no one had intervened.

North Korea was supported by China and USSR with weapons from day one.

South Korea was supported by Japanese weapons at the very least. I'm not sure about specifics. But I know South Korea had Japanese weaponry to support it.

[United Marxist Nations]

South Korea only survived thanks to USA and a couple of its allies. North Korea would have won if no one had intervened.

North Korea was supported by China and USSR with weapons from day one.

To be fair, S. Korea was supported with weapons from the US from day one.

[Imperial City-States]

North Korea was supported by China and USSR with weapons from day one.

South Korea was supported by Japanese weapons at the very least. I'm not sure about specifics. But I know South Korea had Japanese weaponry to support it.

SK had old Japanese "Hand ME Downs "

the US kicked the ever living piss out of NK the first time then the Chinese Jumped in and helped you out , I understand your entitled to your opinion and you are fully allowed to state it for this thread but i disagree strongly with your choice

[Rahwa]

Pit this North Koreas MBT that has never been battle tested

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pokpung-ho



Against any of the NATO and SEATO Tanks

Challanger II
Leopard 2A5
Abrams A3
Merekava M5

and dozens of others all of which have Been Battle tested and Cry

Most of the North Korean tanks are T-62 and their local copies. They have literally no chance against any western MBT right now.

[United Marxist Nations]

South Korea was supported by Japanese weapons at the very least. I'm not sure about specifics. But I know South Korea had Japanese weaponry to support it.

1) SK had old Japanese "Hand ME Downs "

the US kicked the ever living piss out of NK the first time then the Chinese Jumped in and helped you out , I understand your entitled to your opinion and you are fully allowed to state it for this RP but i disagree strongly with your choice

1) NK had USSR's hand-me-downs, hell, even Chinese hand-me-downs.

[Rahwa]

North Korea was supported by China and USSR with weapons from day one.

To be fair, S. Korea was supported with weapons from the US from day one.

South Korea requested for weapons but they got nothing but small arms only.

[Rahwa]

1) SK had old Japanese "Hand ME Downs "

the US kicked the ever living piss out of NK the first time then the Chinese Jumped in and helped you out , I understand your entitled to your opinion and you are fully allowed to state it for this RP but i disagree strongly with your choice

1) NK had USSR's hand-me-downs, hell, even Chinese hand-me-downs.

I think T-34 was better tank than compared to what South Korea had - because South Korea didn't have any tanks at all when war break out.

[Auxatia]

US army rangers. They've had the most operational experience out of any fighting force in the world.

[Andertion]

but I don't think it's true that their equipment/technology was superior, at least in comparison to American equipment and technology. At the beginning of the war, sure, but their technoligical advancements kind of stagnated during the war itself, because towards the end their equipment was already outdated.

Yes, German scientists had all kinds of plans. Plans for a tank the size of a three story house, plans for an atomic bomb, plans for a space plan. The Japanese also had "plans" for a death ray- that doesn't mean you can count a death ray as part of their arsenal. In terms of stuff that actually got built and used, the Allies definitely had the edge late in the war. I mean, the Nazis never even fully integrated trucks into their army- at the end of the war, most of the Nazi army was still horse-drawn.

You'd be incorrect here, Later in the war was actually when German technology and production took off. I'm rather convinced if Hitler had waited 2-4 years (and made better tactical decisions of course) he could have won at least mainland Europe, north Africa, and much of Russia. German production was never higher than in 1944 after severe allied bombings. The STG-44 came out, as the name suggests, in 44. And the ME262 (as well as the V-6 rockets) were late-war developments... ok well operational versions were.

Also, the Kar98 in the hands of a German soldier was massively more accurate and useful than an American GI with a M-1. Reason being, the bolt action required repeated aiming for each shot making it more accurate and German soldiers by the time of WWII were mostly vets of one conflict or another. The M-1 was better for suppression granted, but the Germans built their squads around MG-34's and 42's so they had no shortage of suppressive fire, and a good German could cycle a Kar98 rather quickly if you tried (I have, thanks to owning one...). Honestly though, the Brit Lee-Enfield was probably the best standard-issue gun of the war. The STG-44 though ripped Russian ranks to shreds and could have had a massive impact had it been produced earlier.

What the allies had the biggest advantage in was sheer production. The Allies gear was cheap, easy to use, and mass produced on a scale the Germans couldn't match. (as someone who has used this gear in a fairly realistic settings I can attest German webgear sucks horribly compared to American gear. In fact, I know a guy who once jokingly said while wearing a full German kit, he thought the reason they lost in Africa was because they couldn't get to their canteens...)

[Nazis in Space]

Some army I was never a part of and never supported with my labour, yet I still feel the need to wank over on internet fora because manly men killing other men excite me.

Sexually.

[New Embossia]

Some army I was never a part of and never supported with my labour, yet I still feel the need to wank over on internet fora because manly men killing other men excite me.

Sexually.

^ This

OT: Don't bash me for this, but The Wehrmact. They were an absolute machine, and had it not been for the Battle of Stalingrad and the spirit of the Red Army, they would have conquered the entirety of Europe.

[Alv]

To an extent, North Korea.

Instantly, I'm most likely going to get bashed, but whatever. People like to display the North Korean military as a pushover. This is far from the truth. Should a war happen, North Korea would almost instantly take most of South Korea. There are tunnels to Seoul, artillery constantly pointed at major South Korean cities and a 10 million man army, the largest in the world personnel-wise. USA and Japan would intervene and start to win the war. Their equipment is better. However, every single North Korean would be fighting against USA. There is no plausible way USA could provoke a war with North Korea and take over without tens of millions of American deaths and possible nuclear bombings. The North Korean troops are MUCH better trained than American troops. They have large amounts of military equipment such as tanks, heavy artillery, ect. So while they would lose the war, it would be much like the OP's post about Germany in the second world war. The Americans would pay dearly for every inch of land they take.

Eh i beg to differ about most of this, Even if North Korea could somehow launch a unseen major offensive that would instantly (somehow) take over most of the south they'd be crushed by the modern equipment of South Korea. Hell North Korea's newest tank is a upgraded t-62 vs South Koreas K1s and soon to be K2s.

[L Ron Cupboard]

Afghans without a doubt.