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Postby Iritrium » Wed Jan 01, 2014 8:58 am

Hello everyone!! This is my first time posting a thread, and wanted to ask. What would the world look like without religion?

This is purely personal opinion.
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Postby Holochrome » Wed Jan 01, 2014 9:32 am

Ugh. Here comes the people that say "religion has killed so many people", when atheism, (U.S.S.R.,PRC,Pol pot,) has killed just as many.
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Postby Lost heros » Wed Jan 01, 2014 9:34 am

Holochrome wrote:Ugh. Here comes the people that say "religion has killed so many people", when atheism, (U.S.S.R.,PRC,Pol pot,) has killed just as many.

How can you say atheism was the main reason behind the U.S.S.R.'s (or any of the others) genocide?
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Postby Ashmoria » Wed Jan 01, 2014 9:35 am

its neither good nor bad. its human.

not that there cant be destructive religious ideas but they are balanced out by constructive ones.
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Postby Fascist Russian Empire » Wed Jan 01, 2014 9:37 am

OP, what is your opinion? It's only polite(and site rules) to provide your own opinion in an OP.

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Postby Omorov-Nier » Wed Jan 01, 2014 9:37 am

Holochrome wrote:Ugh. Here comes the people that say "religion has killed so many people", when atheism, (U.S.S.R.,PRC,Pol pot,) has killed just as many.


Following that logic, religion killed killed way more people than atheism.
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Postby Transoxthraxia » Wed Jan 01, 2014 9:38 am

Omorov-Nier wrote:
Holochrome wrote:Ugh. Here comes the people that say "religion has killed so many people", when atheism, (U.S.S.R.,PRC,Pol pot,) has killed just as many.


Following that logic, religion killed killed way more people than atheism.

N-no...?

Also, religion's neutral, end of story. Benefits and drawbacks.
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Postby Risottia » Wed Jan 01, 2014 9:39 am

Iritrium wrote:What would the world look like without religion?

Not necessarily better or worse: but a lot SIMPLER.
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Wed Jan 01, 2014 9:40 am

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Postby Risottia » Wed Jan 01, 2014 9:40 am

Transoxthraxia wrote:
Omorov-Nier wrote:
Following that logic, religion killed killed way more people than atheism.

N-no...?

Yes. By any historical source. Really, not hard to search.
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Postby Transoxthraxia » Wed Jan 01, 2014 9:41 am

Risottia wrote:
Transoxthraxia wrote:N-no...?

Yes. By any historical source. Really, not hard to search.

Compared to the fifty million killed by Stalin, and the (probably) greater number killed by Mao? No combined religious total dead comes close to matching that, methinks.
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In Egypt's sandy silence, all alone,
Stands a gigantic Leg, which far off throws
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"The King of Kings; this mighty City shows
"The wonders of my hand." The City's gone,
Nought but the Leg remaining to disclose
The site of this forgotten Babylon.

We wonder, and some Hunter may express
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Postby Omorov-Nier » Wed Jan 01, 2014 9:42 am

Transoxthraxia wrote:
Omorov-Nier wrote:
Following that logic, religion killed killed way more people than atheism.

N-no...?

Also, religion's neutral, end of story. Benefits and drawbacks.


Y-yes...?

He's saying that because countries which persecuted religion killed people, atheism killed just as many people as religion.

By that logic, every person killed by any religious country ever would count as a person killed by religion.
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Wed Jan 01, 2014 9:42 am

Transoxthraxia wrote:
Risottia wrote:Yes. By any historical source. Really, not hard to search.

Compared to the fifty million killed by Stalin, and the (probably) greater number killed by Mao? No combined religious total dead comes close to matching that, methinks.

Your numbers are kinda exaggerated.
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Postby Holochrome » Wed Jan 01, 2014 9:43 am

Ugh. Here comes the people that say "religion has killed so many people", when atheism, (U.S.S.R.,PRC,Pol pot,) has killed just as many.
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Postby Zottistan » Wed Jan 01, 2014 9:44 am

Religion provides comfort to many, but also provides a medium for ignorance and violence. On the whole, bad.
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Wed Jan 01, 2014 9:44 am

Holochrome wrote:Ugh. Here comes the people that say "religion has killed so many people", when atheismMarxism, (U.S.S.R.,PRC,Pol pot,) has killed just as many.

Fixed.
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Postby Alouite » Wed Jan 01, 2014 9:46 am

Religion is not so black and white, it is bad for people to contextualize religion to purposefully create a war cause or any violence, however religion is not 'telling' the person to kill, in fact you can take a holy book any way you like, but the more caring and generous perceptions of religion are obviously better than the more aggressive hateful ones. Which is why the Crusades, Nazism, and Salem Witch trials were conducted by people stating the same religious book as the one that others use as a reason to give to the poor and help each other in the pursuit of success in life
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Postby Starkiller101 » Wed Jan 01, 2014 9:46 am

It all really depends on who you ask.
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Postby Arcott » Wed Jan 01, 2014 9:46 am

You are now saying praising our creator is bad. If it were not for God we would not be be here to talk about this.

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Postby Universal Socialism » Wed Jan 01, 2014 9:46 am

I'd say religion does more harm then good. For centuries religion has held back the progress of science, understanding, and advancement. The only practical purpose for religion is to maintain control of a human population. The only other purpose is providing a false sense of comfort, much like the comfort provided by a teddy bear.

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Postby Risottia » Wed Jan 01, 2014 9:47 am

NEO Rome Republic wrote:
Holochrome wrote:Ugh. Here comes the people that say "religion has killed so many people", when atheismMarxism, (U.S.S.R.,PRC,Pol pot,) has killed just as many.

Fixed.

This lacks a source.
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Postby Prizea » Wed Jan 01, 2014 9:47 am

Transoxthraxia wrote:
Risottia wrote:Yes. By any historical source. Really, not hard to search.

Compared to the fifty million killed by Stalin, and the (probably) greater number killed by Mao? No combined religious total dead comes close to matching that, methinks.


Crusades, Holocaust, pogroms, raids, holy wars, forced conversions, Jihaads, religious terrorism...

I think differently, clearly.

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Postby Awesome America » Wed Jan 01, 2014 9:48 am

Ah-

It's hard to define religion as any one thing really. For instance, Grandma tried to force Christianity down my throat- that didn't end well, and now I'm Wiccan.

Religion is a whole spectrum.

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Postby Risottia » Wed Jan 01, 2014 9:48 am

Transoxthraxia wrote:
Risottia wrote:Yes. By any historical source. Really, not hard to search.

Compared to the fifty million killed by Stalin, and the (probably) greater number killed by Mao? No combined religious total dead comes close to matching that, methinks.

Source?

And frankly, no. The combined religious total is way greater.
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Wed Jan 01, 2014 9:49 am

Risottia wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:Fixed.

This lacks a source.

I think this is common knowledge.
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