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Postby Des-Bal » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:13 pm

United Misotheist wrote:The dealers are at fault yes, but they are only doing their job which they most likely have to keep doing because of pressure from the ring leaders. Thy are in a way not the bad guys, the users are the bad guys. The users feed the monster, not the dealers. Its the users fault for doing drugs in the first place, and they are supplying currency to violent criminal organizations. Users should be targeted and punished harshly by authorities. The same should apply to cannabis. Cannabis users should be given at least 20 years in prison, because they are purposely and intentionally supplying these terroristic organizations with money. Cannabis should not be used as a pain a killer or other medicinal purpose, they should morphine for it like we have done for decades. People using Cannabis for medicinal purpose should be investigated heavily.



That's ridiculous and inefficient. Why exactly do you think morphine is better than cannibis? It's infinitely more dangerous and addictive.
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Postby Vazdania » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:13 pm

Luveria wrote:
Vazdania wrote:true liberty my butt.


True liberty is jailing people for smoking weed. Of course...

Yes it is.
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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:14 pm

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Luveria wrote:
True liberty is jailing people for smoking weed. Of course...

Yes it is.


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Postby Luveria » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:15 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Luveria wrote:
True liberty is jailing people for smoking weed. Of course...

Yes it is.


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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:15 pm

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True liberty is jailing people for smoking weed. Of course...

Yes it is.

Vaz, that doesn't make any sense.

How exactly is liberty promoted by imprisoning people for victimless 'crimes'?
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Postby Hathradic States » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:15 pm

United Misotheist wrote:The dealers are at fault yes, but they are only doing their job which they most likely have to keep doing because of pressure from the ring leaders.

They could have not gotten started in the first place.

Thy are in a way not the bad guys, the users are the bad guys. The users feed the monster, not the dealers.

Well, considering dealers tend to be the ones who get the users addicted, I find that you are so full of shit with that statement.

Its the users fault for doing drugs in the first place,

And the dealer's fault for selling them drugs in the first place.

and they are supplying currency to violent criminal organizations. Users should be targeted and punished harshly by authorities.

No, the dealers are the ones supplying the currency. And there is no way that can backfire, right?
The same should apply to cannabis. Cannabis users should be given at least 20 years in prison, because they are purposely and intentionally supplying these terroristic organizations with money.

Cannabis? You mean the thing that's almost completely non-addictive, that doesn't really lead to any violent crimes (you ever tried committing a crime stoned? Dude, you can't leave the couch). And, fun fact, when I buy my weed, I buy it from my friend who grows, and doesn't pay shit the cartels. So that is some more bullshit.


Cannabis should not be used as a pain a killer or other medicinal purpose, they should morphine for it like we have done for decades.

You mean the morphine that is extremely addictive and capable of killing you if you overdose? Whereas pot isn't addictive (to my knowledge) and can't kill you. Yeah, you really thought that through.

People using Cannabis for medicinal purpose should be investigated heavily.

And why is that?

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Postby Kelinfort » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:16 pm

Occupied Deutschland wrote:
Vazdania wrote:Yes it is.

Vaz, that doesn't make any sense.

How exactly is liberty promoted by imprisoning people for victimless 'crimes'?

Vaz doesn't make sense on a clear day.

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Postby Blasveck » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:16 pm

Occupied Deutschland wrote:
Vazdania wrote:Yes it is.

Vaz, that doesn't make any sense.

How exactly is liberty promoted by imprisoning people for victimless 'crimes'?


God, or something.

Maybe 'immorality'?
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Postby Absurrania » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:18 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Luveria wrote:
True liberty is jailing people for smoking weed. Of course...

Yes it is.


Nooo, it isn't.

True liberty is dangerous. By definition it means anyone can do whatever. So a murdered can kill people without getting arrested. A mass murdered can call for others to follow his homicidal beliefs. Etc. We need a balance of justice and equality. You can't always be equal but just, just like you can't always be just but equal.

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Postby Des-Bal » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:19 pm

Absurrania wrote:Nooo, it isn't.

True liberty is dangerous. By definition it means anyone can do whatever. So a murdered can kill people without getting arrested. A mass murdered can call for others to follow his homicidal beliefs. Etc. We need a balance of justice and equality. You can't always be equal but just, just like you can't always be just but equal.


No.
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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:19 pm

Absurrania wrote:
Vazdania wrote:Yes it is.


Nooo, it isn't.

True liberty is dangerous. By definition it means anyone can do whatever. So a murdered can kill people without getting arrested. A mass murdered can call for others to follow his homicidal beliefs. Etc. We need a balance of justice and equality. You can't always be equal but just, just like you can't always be just but equal.


And obviously justice is taking away someone's autonomy of choice regarding himself.
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Postby Sjovenia » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:20 pm

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This is a very good day I believe. I don't smoke, and I do not believe I ever will. However, this is a step forward towards true liberty.

I'm glad we are now allowing more smoking :palm:
Can this world get any stupider. HECK lets legalize marijuana everywhere in the world for a day. All the idiots can get high and end up killing themselves.


Hmmmm I believe this world did get more "STUPIDER" are you kidding me? This world is becoming even more stupid, this world has just become really stupid. Learn english
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Postby Tol Eresea » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:21 pm

I don't smoke, but I am entirely in support of weed being legal. I just think its a shame how many of my friends are celebrating without knowing employers can still fire them for it.
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Postby United Misotheist » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:22 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
United Misotheist wrote:The dealers are at fault yes, but they are only doing their job which they most likely have to keep doing because of pressure from the ring leaders. Thy are in a way not the bad guys, the users are the bad guys. The users feed the monster, not the dealers. Its the users fault for doing drugs in the first place, and they are supplying currency to violent criminal organizations. Users should be targeted and punished harshly by authorities. The same should apply to cannabis. Cannabis users should be given at least 20 years in prison, because they are purposely and intentionally supplying these terroristic organizations with money. Cannabis should not be used as a pain a killer or other medicinal purpose, they should morphine for it like we have done for decades. People using Cannabis for medicinal purpose should be investigated heavily.

Twenty years? That costs the state a lot of money, money that could be going to education, law and order, and better programs. Regulation and taxation still make a lot more sense.


First of all if you take away all a plants water, it will shrivel up and die. The users are the water, you arrest all the users and got your selves a dead plant. Once we make it our mission to make drug usage less appealing by making an example out of users, we can save our future generation. Users feed the money into the machine to keep it running. Target users, you and old. In fact I believe that drug users under the age of 21 should be given more severe punishments than their older counterparts. I support the enhanced interrogation of users by federal officials, I would support and uphold shipping some chronic users to Guantanamo Bay. I would support any law that damages the image of the people who use drugs.
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Postby Meritocratic States » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:22 pm

Tol Eresea wrote:I don't smoke, but I am entirely in support of weed being legal. I just think its a shame how many of my friends are celebrating without knowing employers can still fire them for it.


Because you're not supposed to smoke weed while at work?

Not to mention it is a safety precaution. You don't operate machinery while under the influence.
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Postby Luveria » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:23 pm

Meritocratic States wrote:You don't operate machinery while under the influence.


I have, but that wasn't a good idea. :unsure:

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Postby Kelinfort » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:23 pm

United Misotheist wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:Twenty years? That costs the state a lot of money, money that could be going to education, law and order, and better programs. Regulation and taxation still make a lot more sense.


First of all if you take away all a plants water, it will shrivel up and die. The users are the water, you arrest all the users and got your selves a dead plant. Once we make it our mission to make drug usage less appealing by making an example out of users, we can save our future generation. Users feed the money into the machine to keep it running. Target users, you and old. In fact I believe that drug users under the age of 21 should be given more severe punishments than their older counterparts. I support the enhanced interrogation of users by federal officials, I would support and uphold shipping some chronic users to Guantanamo Bay. I would support any law that damages the image of the people who use drugs.

Yeah, that will work, unless...idk...more users come. Obviously, people will smoke it no matter how illegal or horrible the punishment. The rate won't decrease effectively unless you regulate and tax it.

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Postby Des-Bal » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:24 pm

United Misotheist wrote:
First of all if you take away all a plants water, it will shrivel up and die. The users are the water, you arrest all the users and got your selves a dead plant. Once we make it our mission to make drug usage less appealing by making an example out of users, we can save our future generation. Users feed the money into the machine to keep it running. Target users, you and old. In fact I believe that drug users under the age of 21 should be given more severe punishments than their older counterparts. I support the enhanced interrogation of users by federal officials, I would support and uphold shipping some chronic users to Guantanamo Bay. I would support any law that damages the image of the people who use drugs.


Yes but if you don't like a plant it's infinitely easier to remove the plant rather than trying to catch each individual drop of rain. What you are describing is ineffective and honestly just not smart.
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Postby Iuronia » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:25 pm

Sjovenia wrote:
The Time Alliance wrote:I'm glad we are now allowing more smoking :palm:
Can this world get any stupider. HECK lets legalize marijuana everywhere in the world for a day. All the idiots can get high and end up killing themselves.


Hmmmm I believe this world did get more "STUPIDER" are you kidding me? This world is becoming even more stupid, this world has just become really stupid. Learn english

Stupider is actually used as well.
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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:25 pm

Luveria wrote:
Meritocratic States wrote:You don't operate machinery while under the influence.


I have, but that wasn't a good idea. :unsure:


If a fitness machine counts, I did.

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Postby Meritocratic States » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:25 pm

United Misotheist wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:Twenty years? That costs the state a lot of money, money that could be going to education, law and order, and better programs. Regulation and taxation still make a lot more sense.


First of all if you take away all a plants water, it will shrivel up and die. The users are the water, you arrest all the users and got your selves a dead plant. Once we make it our mission to make drug usage less appealing by making an example out of users, we can save our future generation. Users feed the money into the machine to keep it running. Target users, you and old. In fact I believe that drug users under the age of 21 should be given more severe punishments than their older counterparts. I support the enhanced interrogation of users by federal officials, I would support and uphold shipping some chronic users to Guantanamo Bay. I would support any law that damages the image of the people who use drugs.


So you advocate on infringing the rights of every human being, in contravention to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights just to fight cannabis?

Seems legit.
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Postby Kelinfort » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:25 pm

Luveria wrote:
Meritocratic States wrote:You don't operate machinery while under the influence.


I have, but that wasn't a good idea. :unsure:

I operated a printer, if it counts.

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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:26 pm

Meritocratic States wrote:
United Misotheist wrote:
First of all if you take away all a plants water, it will shrivel up and die. The users are the water, you arrest all the users and got your selves a dead plant. Once we make it our mission to make drug usage less appealing by making an example out of users, we can save our future generation. Users feed the money into the machine to keep it running. Target users, you and old. In fact I believe that drug users under the age of 21 should be given more severe punishments than their older counterparts. I support the enhanced interrogation of users by federal officials, I would support and uphold shipping some chronic users to Guantanamo Bay. I would support any law that damages the image of the people who use drugs.


So you advocate infringing the rights of every human being, in contravention to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights just to fight cannabis?

Seems legit.


What I dislike about some of the arguments here, is that they're economically driven. Drugs shouldn't be a way to get more money, you either ethically agree with them or you don't.
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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:26 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
Luveria wrote:
I have, but that wasn't a good idea. :unsure:

I operated a printer, if it counts.


But what influence?
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Postby Luveria » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:28 pm

Unitaristic Regions wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:I operated a printer, if it counts.


But what influence?


Bath salts.

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