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Postby Des-Bal » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:00 pm

Blasveck wrote:Colorado and quite a few other states have the latter legalized.

Alcohol consumption rates among teens fell, IIRC.

Lemme see if I can find my link.


Where is it illegal?
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Postby Meritocratic States » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:00 pm

United Misotheist wrote:I personally believe that the dealers are just a small part of the problem.They are like a more violent version of a cashier. The real problem lies in the people who buy the drug for their own use. We should target the users not the dealers, because if you arrest a stores customers they will have no more people to sell to. We should stop all programs that target distribution, and target consumption. Lower jail sentences for dealers if they make agreements with police, 3 years at most. But for the users, no mercy, 20-30 years at most. The users are the real monsters, not the people in charge of the operation. Think about for a second, if you see a store for instance, no one is forcing you to go inside the store, so if buy something from that store, its your fault for coming in and buying something in the first place.


So citizens who purchase the illicit material should have a more harsh punishment than the one who distributes them?

Seems legit.
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Postby Nervium » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:01 pm

United Misotheist wrote:I personally believe that the dealers are just a small part of the problem. They are like a more violent version of a cashier. The real problem lies in the people who buy the drug for their own use. We should target the users not the dealers, because if you arrest a stores customers they will have no more people to sell to. We should stop all programs that target distribution, and target consumption. Lower jail sentences for dealers if they make agreements with police, 3 years at most. But for the users, no mercy, 20-30 years at most. The users are the real monsters, not the people in charge of the operation. Think about for a second, if you see a store for instance, no one is forcing you to go inside the store, so if buy something from that store, its your fault for coming in and buying something in the first place.


:rofl:

Well, you just proved why the War on Drugs is doomed to fail, especially when you're going to target users specifically and so harshly.
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Postby Luveria » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:01 pm

Meritocratic States wrote:
United Misotheist wrote:I personally believe that the dealers are just a small part of the problem.They are like a more violent version of a cashier. The real problem lies in the people who buy the drug for their own use. We should target the users not the dealers, because if you arrest a stores customers they will have no more people to sell to. We should stop all programs that target distribution, and target consumption. Lower jail sentences for dealers if they make agreements with police, 3 years at most. But for the users, no mercy, 20-30 years at most. The users are the real monsters, not the people in charge of the operation. Think about for a second, if you see a store for instance, no one is forcing you to go inside the store, so if buy something from that store, its your fault for coming in and buying something in the first place.


So citizens who purchase the illicit material should have a more harsh punishment than the one who distributes them?

Seems legit.


United Misotheist is probably a dealer.

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Postby Geilinor » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:03 pm

Luveria wrote:
Meritocratic States wrote:
So citizens who purchase the illicit material should have a more harsh punishment than the one who distributes them?

Seems legit.


United Misotheist is probably a dealer.

Seems like it. "No mercy" for people who could be addicted, but make it easier for the "people in charge". That's a terrible policy.
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Postby Blasveck » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:03 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Blasveck wrote:Colorado and quite a few other states have the latter legalized.

Alcohol consumption rates among teens fell, IIRC.

Lemme see if I can find my link.


Where is it illegal?


http://socialhostlaw.wordpress.com/soci ... -by-state/

Hopefully you can find your answer here.
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Postby Absurrania » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:04 pm

United Misotheist wrote:I personally believe that the dealers are just a small part of the problem. They are like a more violent version of a cashier. The real problem lies in the people who buy the drug for their own use. We should target the users not the dealers, because if you arrest a stores customers they will have no more people to sell to. We should stop all programs that target distribution, and target consumption. Lower jail sentences for dealers if they make agreements with police, 3 years at most. But for the users, no mercy, 20-30 years at most. The users are the real monsters, not the people in charge of the operation. Think about for a second, if you see a store for instance, no one is forcing you to go inside the store, so if buy something from that store, its your fault for coming in and buying something in the first place.


No can do amigo. The dealers draw the users in, even if the users went looking for it. And the users are often victims of neglect, abuse, mistreatment, bad influences, or even mental illness. They need help. Even dealers can be given help. Producers and mob bosses, they need to pay and should have the longest sentences. Sign the deal man. These guys are chewing us up, and we need to make some sort of a stand.

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Postby Meritocratic States » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:04 pm

Luveria wrote:
Meritocratic States wrote:
So citizens who purchase the illicit material should have a more harsh punishment than the one who distributes them?

Seems legit.


United Misotheist is probably a dealer.


I see a lot of problems with his ideas and I could put it in many situations.

Arresting people who watch child porn will not stop the distribution of child pornography.

War on Drugs does not work, legalization or decriminalization is the way.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:05 pm

Luveria wrote:
Meritocratic States wrote:
So citizens who purchase the illicit material should have a more harsh punishment than the one who distributes them?

Seems legit.


United Misotheist is probably a dealer.

Maybe he just realises there are more users and they're easier to find than key industry personnel.

More arrests mean laws are working, don't you know.
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Postby Luveria » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:05 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Luveria wrote:
United Misotheist is probably a dealer.

Seems like it. "No mercy" for people who could be addicted, but make it easier for the "people in charge". That's a terrible policy.


Don't blame me... blame my customers. Those "addicted' fiends are the ones buying it. It's not my fault...

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Postby Luveria » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:06 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Luveria wrote:
United Misotheist is probably a dealer.

Maybe he just realises there are more users and they're easier to find than key industry personnel.

More arrests mean laws are working, don't you know.


So he's a DEA agent? That would explain why he wants higher arrest rates rather than reducing drug use.

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Postby Des-Bal » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:06 pm

Blasveck wrote:
http://socialhostlaw.wordpress.com/soci ... -by-state/

Hopefully you can find your answer here.

Had no idea that there were any states without exceptions when the parents had given consent.
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Postby Kelinfort » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:07 pm

Luveria wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Maybe he just realises there are more users and they're easier to find than key industry personnel.

More arrests mean laws are working, don't you know.


So he's a DEA agent? That would explain why he wants higher arrest rates rather than reducing drug use.

He's a generic corrections officer.

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Postby Hunica » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:07 pm

Funny. Last night, my family and I were talking about how we all think marijuana should be legalized everywhere and be for sale in gas stations. Congrats to all of the NS potheads.

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Postby Luveria » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:07 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
Luveria wrote:
So he's a DEA agent? That would explain why he wants higher arrest rates rather than reducing drug use.

He's a generic corrections officer.


Probably a corrections officer who grows pot on the side.

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Postby United Misotheist » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:08 pm

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United Misotheist wrote:I personally believe that the dealers are just a small part of the problem. They are like a more violent version of a cashier. The real problem lies in the people who buy the drug for their own use. We should target the users not the dealers, because if you arrest a stores customers they will have no more people to sell to. We should stop all programs that target distribution, and target consumption. Lower jail sentences for dealers if they make agreements with police, 3 years at most. But for the users, no mercy, 20-30 years at most. The users are the real monsters, not the people in charge of the operation. Think about for a second, if you see a store for instance, no one is forcing you to go inside the store, so if buy something from that store, its your fault for coming in and buying something in the first place.

Most drug users aren't the guys who wander around with machetes collecting payments.
Usually, that's the dealers.

The only violence I see around where I live is dealers knocking over each other's growhouses.

Dealers are incredulously violent.

The dealers are at fault yes, but they are only doing their job which they most likely have to keep doing because of pressure from the ring leaders. Thy are in a way not the bad guys, the users are the bad guys. The users feed the monster, not the dealers. Its the users fault for doing drugs in the first place, and they are supplying currency to violent criminal organizations. Users should be targeted and punished harshly by authorities. The same should apply to cannabis. Cannabis users should be given at least 20 years in prison, because they are purposely and intentionally supplying these terroristic organizations with money. Cannabis should not be used as a pain a killer or other medicinal purpose, they should morphine for it like we have done for decades. People using Cannabis for medicinal purpose should be investigated heavily.
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Postby Kelinfort » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:08 pm

Luveria wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:He's a generic corrections officer.


Probably a corrections officer who grows pot on the side.

Nah, he cooks meth.

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Postby Kelinfort » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:09 pm

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Imperializt Russia wrote:Most drug users aren't the guys who wander around with machetes collecting payments.
Usually, that's the dealers.

The only violence I see around where I live is dealers knocking over each other's growhouses.

Dealers are incredulously violent.

The dealers are at fault yes, but they are only doing their job which they most likely have to keep doing because of pressure from the ring leaders. Thy are in a way not the bad guys, the users are the bad guys. The users feed the monster, not the dealers. Its the users fault for doing drugs in the first place, and they are supplying currency to violent criminal organizations. Users should be targeted and punished harshly by authorities. The same should apply to cannabis. Cannabis users should be given at least 20 years in prison, because they are purposely and intentionally supplying these terroristic organizations with money. Cannabis should not be used as a pain a killer or other medicinal purpose, they should morphine for it like we have done for decades. People using Cannabis for medicinal purpose should be investigated heavily.

Twenty years? That costs the state a lot of money, money that could be going to education, law and order, and better programs. Regulation and taxation still make a lot more sense.

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Postby Luveria » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:09 pm

United Misotheist wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Most drug users aren't the guys who wander around with machetes collecting payments.
Usually, that's the dealers.

The only violence I see around where I live is dealers knocking over each other's growhouses.

Dealers are incredulously violent.

The dealers are at fault yes, but they are only doing their job which they most likely have to keep doing because of pressure from the ring leaders. Thy are in a way not the bad guys, the users are the bad guys. The users feed the monster, not the dealers. Its the users fault for doing drugs in the first place, and they are supplying currency to violent criminal organizations. Users should be targeted and punished harshly by authorities. The same should apply to cannabis. Cannabis users should be given at least 20 years in prison, because they are purposely and intentionally supplying these terroristic organizations with money. Cannabis should not be used as a pain a killer or other medicinal purpose, they should morphine for it like we have done for decades. People using Cannabis for medicinal purpose should be investigated heavily.


For some reason, you seem terribly familiar.

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:09 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
Luveria wrote:
So he's a DEA agent? That would explain why he wants higher arrest rates rather than reducing drug use.

He's a generic corrections officer.

Or a politician.
More arrests + harsher sentences = public approval.

Doesn't matter if it doesn't work or targets something irrelevant. The Assault Weapon Ban was popular.
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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:09 pm

United Misotheist wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Most drug users aren't the guys who wander around with machetes collecting payments.
Usually, that's the dealers.

The only violence I see around where I live is dealers knocking over each other's growhouses.

Dealers are incredulously violent.

The dealers are at fault yes, but they are only doing their job which they most likely have to keep doing because of pressure from the ring leaders. Thy are in a way not the bad guys, the users are the bad guys. The users feed the monster, not the dealers. Its the users fault for doing drugs in the first place, and they are supplying currency to violent criminal organizations. Users should be targeted and punished harshly by authorities. The same should apply to cannabis. Cannabis users should be given at least 20 years in prison, because they are purposely and intentionally supplying these terroristic organizations with money. Cannabis should not be used as a pain a killer or other medicinal purpose, they should morphine for it like we have done for decades. People using Cannabis for medicinal purpose should be investigated heavily.

Hi. Speaking as someone who had a family member on morphine for chronic pain for fifteen years.
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Postby Aperonia » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:10 pm

The Time Alliance wrote:
Scallywag wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-25566863

This is a very good day I believe. I don't smoke, and I do not believe I ever will. However, this is a step forward towards true liberty.

I'm glad we are now allowing more smoking :palm:
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Postby Nervium » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:11 pm

United Misotheist wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Most drug users aren't the guys who wander around with machetes collecting payments.
Usually, that's the dealers.

The only violence I see around where I live is dealers knocking over each other's growhouses.

Dealers are incredulously violent.

The dealers are at fault yes, but they are only doing their job which they most likely have to keep doing because of pressure from the ring leaders. Thy are in a way not the bad guys, the users are the bad guys. The users feed the monster, not the dealers. Its the users fault for doing drugs in the first place, and they are supplying currency to violent criminal organizations. Users should be targeted and punished harshly by authorities. The same should apply to cannabis. Cannabis users should be given at least 20 years in prison, because they are purposely and intentionally supplying these terroristic organizations with money. Cannabis should not be used as a pain a killer or other medicinal purpose, they should morphine for it like we have done for decades. People using Cannabis for medicinal purpose should be investigated heavily.



You do know cannabis is less addictive than morphine... And has never killed anyone directly, unlike the latter.

And this will cost a fuckload of money, try telling that to Billy 'Fiscal Conservative' Bob (in extremo), while the cheaper alternative is legalising and regulating it.
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Postby Vazdania » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:12 pm

Scallywag wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-25566863

This is a very good day I believe. I don't smoke, and I do not believe I ever will. However, this is a step forward towards true liberty.

true liberty my butt.
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Postby Luveria » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:12 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Scallywag wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-25566863

This is a very good day I believe. I don't smoke, and I do not believe I ever will. However, this is a step forward towards true liberty.

true liberty my butt.


True liberty is jailing people for smoking weed. Of course...

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