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Postby Nervium » Wed Jan 01, 2014 1:31 pm

United Misotheist wrote:This is truly an outrage. This decision is an absolutely horrible one. Cannabis like any other illegal drug, is illegal for a reason. It should stay illegal in all cases, even for patients who need pain killers. All the lives that have been lost to protect us and our children from these horrible drugs, and now this one backwards state has just spit in the face our national effort to stop the distribution of harmful substances. The federal government should intervene to stop this travesty.



You have learned of this period in American history called Prohibition, right?
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Postby Des-Bal » Wed Jan 01, 2014 1:31 pm

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It's a nice world because we wouldn't elect someone like you.
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Postby Yes Im Biop » Wed Jan 01, 2014 1:32 pm

United Misotheist wrote:This is truly an outrage. This decision is an absolutely horrible one. Cannabis like any other illegal drug, is illegal for a reason. It should stay illegal in all cases, even for patients who need pain killers. All the lives that have been lost to protect us and our children from these horrible drugs, and now this one backwards state has just spit in the face our national effort to stop the distribution of harmful substances. The federal government should intervene to stop this travesty.

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What reason is that love? It's dangerous? So is Tabaco and Alcohol, It is addictive? Caffine is so much more so, It can't be taxed? That's closer to the reasoning.
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Postby Zottistan » Wed Jan 01, 2014 1:33 pm

United Misotheist wrote:This is truly an outrage. This decision is an absolutely horrible one. Cannabis like any other illegal drug, is illegal for a reason.

What reason, do you think?
It should stay illegal in all cases, even for patients who need pain killers.

So, what, cannabis is somehow worse than morphine, which is more addictive and much easier to OD on?
All the lives that have been lost to protect us and our children from these horrible drugs,

The lives lost are irrelevant to whether cannabis should be legal or not. People fought and died to keep slavery in operation.
and now this one backwards state has just spit in the face our national effort to stop the distribution of harmful substances.

Cannabis is no more harmful than vodka or cigarettes.
The federal government should intervene to stop this travesty.

The government should stop wasting time and money putting kids in prison for harmlessly enjoying themselves. The government should legalize marijuana. The government should then tax and regulate marijuana to keep these kids safe.
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Postby Terra Sector Union » Wed Jan 01, 2014 1:34 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Terra Sector Union wrote:I wish I was elected to have authority over the world. Not nope, it's not a nice world. Someone would assassinate me.


It's a nice world because we wouldn't elect someone like you.

We need another war so I can pull a Mein Kampf and get all the votes.
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Postby Des-Bal » Wed Jan 01, 2014 1:35 pm

Terra Sector Union wrote:We need another war so I can pull a Mein Kampf and get all the votes.


Because it worked so well for hitler.
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Postby Iuronia » Wed Jan 01, 2014 1:36 pm

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Terra Sector Union wrote:We need another war so I can pull a Mein Kampf and get all the votes.


Because it worked so well for hitler.

It kinda did. In the beginning, at least.
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Postby Luveria » Wed Jan 01, 2014 1:37 pm

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Because it worked so well for hitler.

It kinda did. In the beginning, at least.


Bush was successful too.

Lets not look up to failures.

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Postby Des-Bal » Wed Jan 01, 2014 1:38 pm

Iuronia wrote:It kinda did. In the beginning, at least.


So did the challenger launch. Hitler's failure wasn't the product of one or two mistakes, he was fundamentally fucked from the beginning.
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Postby Terra Sector Union » Wed Jan 01, 2014 1:38 pm

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Because it worked so well for hitler.

It kinda did. In the beginning, at least.

Hitler's personal hatred of jews and his constant battle against the allies caused his downfall. I think he just went apeshit towards the end.
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Postby United Misotheist » Wed Jan 01, 2014 1:39 pm

Yes Im Biop wrote:
United Misotheist wrote:This is truly an outrage. This decision is an absolutely horrible one. Cannabis like any other illegal drug, is illegal for a reason. It should stay illegal in all cases, even for patients who need pain killers. All the lives that have been lost to protect us and our children from these horrible drugs, and now this one backwards state has just spit in the face our national effort to stop the distribution of harmful substances. The federal government should intervene to stop this travesty.

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What reason is that love? It's dangerous? So is Tabaco and Alcohol, It is addictive? Caffine is so much more so, It can't be taxed? That's closer to the reasoning.


Cannabis is addictive. I am a staunch believer in a second prohibition of alcohol, and I absolutely hate tobacco and I believe it should be illegal as well. Cannabis is a drug that causes hallucinations, it even can kill pain, which is a bad thing. Any drug that has the power to create powerful hallucinations, and kills pain should be illegal. Heck if we legalized Cannabis we would have to legalize PCP, Cocaine, Meth, and all the other drugs to. Are you going to say those drugs are harmful? I would hope so. If we legalize one we have to legalize more. These libertarian cry babies always want more so whats going to stop them from demanding Meth and Cocaine too?
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Postby Luveria » Wed Jan 01, 2014 1:39 pm

Terra Sector Union wrote:
Iuronia wrote:It kinda did. In the beginning, at least.

Hitler's personal hatred of jews and his constant battle against the allies caused his downfall. I think he just went apeshit towards the end.


No, his hatred of Jews is what got him elected, as there was already rampant anti-Jewish sentiments in Germany.

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Postby Luveria » Wed Jan 01, 2014 1:39 pm

United Misotheist wrote:
Yes Im Biop wrote:?
What reason is that love? It's dangerous? So is Tabaco and Alcohol, It is addictive? Caffine is so much more so, It can't be taxed? That's closer to the reasoning.


Cannabis is addictive. I am a staunch believer in a second prohibition of alcohol, and I absolutely hate tobacco and I believe it should be illegal as well. Cannabis is a drug that causes hallucinations, it even can kill pain, which is a bad thing. Any drug that has the power to create powerful hallucinations, and kills pain should be illegal. Heck if we legalized Cannabis we would have to legalize PCP, Cocaine, Meth, and all the other drugs to. Are going to say those drugs are harmful? I would hope so. If we legalize one we have to legalize more. These libertarian cry babies always want more so whats going to stop them from demanding Meth and Cocaine too?


Caffeine too?

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Postby Des-Bal » Wed Jan 01, 2014 1:39 pm

Terra Sector Union wrote:Hitler's personal hatred of jews and his constant battle against the allies caused his downfall. I think he just went apeshit towards the end.


No his decision making and style of government caused his downfall.
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Postby Terra Sector Union » Wed Jan 01, 2014 1:40 pm

Luveria wrote:
Terra Sector Union wrote:Hitler's personal hatred of jews and his constant battle against the allies caused his downfall. I think he just went apeshit towards the end.


No, his hatred of Jews is what got him elected, as there was already rampant anti-Jewish sentiments in Germany.

Yes but you know everything was over when the death camps went too far (Be happy I wouldn't support such a disgusting method as an autho.).
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Postby Des-Bal » Wed Jan 01, 2014 1:40 pm

United Misotheist wrote:
Cannabis is addictive. I am a staunch believer in a second prohibition of alcohol, and I absolutely hate tobacco and I believe it should be illegal as well. Cannabis is a drug that causes hallucinations, it even can kill pain, which is a bad thing. Any drug that has the power to create powerful hallucinations, and kills pain should be illegal. Heck if we legalized Cannabis we would have to legalize PCP, Cocaine, Meth, and all the other drugs to. Are going to say those drugs are harmful? I would hope so. If we legalize one we have to legalize more. These libertarian cry babies always want more so whats going to stop them from demanding Meth and Cocaine too?


That sounds great for drug dealers.
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Postby Yes Im Biop » Wed Jan 01, 2014 1:41 pm

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What reason is that love? It's dangerous? So is Tabaco and Alcohol, It is addictive? Caffine is so much more so, It can't be taxed? That's closer to the reasoning.


Cannabis is addictive. I am a staunch believer in a second prohibition of alcohol, and I absolutely hate tobacco and I believe it should be illegal as well. Cannabis is a drug that causes hallucinations, it even can kill pain, which is a bad thing. Any drug that has the power to create powerful hallucinations, and kills pain should be illegal. Heck if we legalized Cannabis we would have to legalize PCP, Cocaine, Meth, and all the other drugs to. Are going to say those drugs are harmful? I would hope so. If we legalize one we have to legalize more. These libertarian cry babies always want more so whats going to stop them from demanding Meth and Cocaine too?


And if the government sold and regulated Meth, (Which they kinda do anyway) What is the problem, most of the issues with Cocain and Meth are from them being made with cleaning chemicals.

Now I ask you the real question. Why do you care? What's it matter to you is someone get's high as a kit at their house?
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Postby Blasveck » Wed Jan 01, 2014 1:41 pm

United Misotheist wrote:
Yes Im Biop wrote:?
What reason is that love? It's dangerous? So is Tabaco and Alcohol, It is addictive? Caffine is so much more so, It can't be taxed? That's closer to the reasoning.


Cannabis is addictive. I am a staunch believer in a second prohibition of alcohol, and I absolutely hate tobacco and I believe it should be illegal as well. Cannabis is a drug that causes hallucinations, it even can kill pain, which is a bad thing. Any drug that has the power to create powerful hallucinations, and kills pain should be illegal. Heck if we legalized Cannabis we would have to legalize PCP, Cocaine, Meth, and all the other drugs to. Are going to say those drugs are harmful? I would hope so. If we legalize one we have to legalize more. These libertarian cry babies always want more so whats going to stop them from demanding Meth and Cocaine too?


Who cares?

Johnny Drug Dealer James or Sammy Smokes Crack Sally isn't going to affect you in any way.

I mean, look at Portugal. They aren't a drug-filled hellhole, are they?
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Postby Des-Bal » Wed Jan 01, 2014 1:43 pm

Yes Im Biop wrote:And if the government sold and regulated Meth, (Which they kinda do anyway) What is the problem, most of the issues with Cocain and Meth are from them being made with cleaning chemicals.

Now I ask you the real question. Why do you care? What's it matter to you is someone get's high as a kit at their house?


Most of the other problems come from the fact that the industry is controlled by violent criminals. I'm sure they appreciate the government propping up their monopolies through prohibition.
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United Misotheist wrote:
Cannabis is addictive. I am a staunch believer in a second prohibition of alcohol, and I absolutely hate tobacco and I believe it should be illegal as well. Cannabis is a drug that causes hallucinations, it even can kill pain, which is a bad thing. Any drug that has the power to create powerful hallucinations, and kills pain should be illegal. Heck if we legalized Cannabis we would have to legalize PCP, Cocaine, Meth, and all the other drugs to. Are going to say those drugs are harmful? I would hope so. If we legalize one we have to legalize more. These libertarian cry babies always want more so whats going to stop them from demanding Meth and Cocaine too?


Who cares?

Johnny Drug Dealer James or Sammy Smokes Crack Sally isn't going to affect you in any way.

I mean, look at Portugal. They aren't a drug-filled hellhole, are they?

Fun fact. Drug use in Portugal declined since 2001, when they decriminalized everything.
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Des-Bal wrote:
Yes Im Biop wrote:And if the government sold and regulated Meth, (Which they kinda do anyway) What is the problem, most of the issues with Cocain and Meth are from them being made with cleaning chemicals.

Now I ask you the real question. Why do you care? What's it matter to you is someone get's high as a kit at their house?


Most of the other problems come from the fact that the industry is controlled by violent criminals. I'm sure they appreciate the government propping up their monopolies through prohibition.


Gurenteed. My Buddy Larry was annoyed when Colorado legalized pot cause it meant he was gonna lose business in the future (Mind you he just grows and sells pot, but still makes a KILLING)
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United Misotheist wrote:
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What reason is that love? It's dangerous? So is Tabaco and Alcohol, It is addictive? Caffine is so much more so, It can't be taxed? That's closer to the reasoning.


Cannabis is addictive. I am a staunch believer in a second prohibition of alcohol, and I absolutely hate tobacco and I believe it should be illegal as well. Cannabis is a drug that causes hallucinations, it even can kill pain, which is a bad thing. Any drug that has the power to create powerful hallucinations, and kills pain should be illegal. Heck if we legalized Cannabis we would have to legalize PCP, Cocaine, Meth, and all the other drugs to. Are you going to say those drugs are harmful? I would hope so. If we legalize one we have to legalize more. These libertarian cry babies always want more so whats going to stop them from demanding Meth and Cocaine too?

If you're hallucinating on cannabis, you should be asking your dealer what he laced it with... or be concerned about how close to that 1200lbs lethal dose you're getting.

Cannabis is believed by the British medical establishment to be less physically harmful or addictive than nicotine or alcohol. Much less.
Much less than almost anything, even caffeine.

PCP, cocaine and meth are all highly addictive or habit forming, and significantly physically harmful.

There's a disparity here, dude.

If you legitimately advocate a second alcohol prohibition, you're advocating enormous increases in organised crime and the deaths of thousands.
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United Misotheist wrote:Cannabis is addictive. I am a staunch believer in a second prohibition of alcohol, and I absolutely hate tobacco and I believe it should be illegal as well. Cannabis is a drug that causes hallucinations, it even can kill pain, which is a bad thing. Any drug that has the power to create powerful hallucinations, and kills pain should be illegal. Heck if we legalized Cannabis we would have to legalize PCP, Cocaine, Meth, and all the other drugs to. Are you going to say those drugs are harmful? I would hope so. If we legalize one we have to legalize more. These libertarian cry babies always want more so whats going to stop them from demanding Meth and Cocaine too?


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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Wed Jan 01, 2014 1:46 pm

United Misotheist wrote:
Yes Im Biop wrote:?
What reason is that love? It's dangerous? So is Tabaco and Alcohol, It is addictive? Caffine is so much more so, It can't be taxed? That's closer to the reasoning.


Cannabis is addictive (1). I am a staunch believer in a second prohibition of alcohol(2), and I absolutely hate tobacco and I believe it should be illegal as well (3). Cannabis is a drug that causes hallucinations (4), it even can kill pain, which is a bad thing (5). Any drug that has the power to create powerful hallucinations, and kills pain should be illegal. Heck if we legalized Cannabis we would have to legalize PCP, Cocaine, Meth, and all the other drugs to (6). Are going to say those drugs are harmful? I would hope so. If we legalize one we have to legalize more. These libertarian cry babies always want more so whats going to stop them from demanding Meth and Cocaine too? (7)

1) Care to point to some evidence of this being the case and it being somehow worse in comparison to the addictions given by currently legal substances?

2) You're not a big fan of learning from the past are ya'?

3) No.

4) Uhh...No? Care to point to something to justify this? Because I have never heard of it.

5) Not really. Especially if one needs painkillers due to something like, say, chronic pain.

6) No, actually, we wouldn't. We certainly could, and adjustments in how we handle those drugs are probably called for anyways, but legalizing marijuana doesn't neccessitate legalizing other drugs with more extreme effects.

7) Nothing. Of course, meth and cocaine are more harmful than currently legal substances, so the justification for making them legal used for marijuana (disregarding the libertarian mindset entirely and just based off of their effects) doesn't work.
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Postby Nervium » Wed Jan 01, 2014 1:46 pm

Absurrania wrote:
United Misotheist wrote:Cannabis is addictive. I am a staunch believer in a second prohibition of alcohol, and I absolutely hate tobacco and I believe it should be illegal as well. Cannabis is a drug that causes hallucinations, it even can kill pain, which is a bad thing. Any drug that has the power to create powerful hallucinations, and kills pain should be illegal. Heck if we legalized Cannabis we would have to legalize PCP, Cocaine, Meth, and all the other drugs to. Are you going to say those drugs are harmful? I would hope so. If we legalize one we have to legalize more. These libertarian cry babies always want more so whats going to stop them from demanding Meth and Cocaine too?


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