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Postby Geilinor » Wed Jan 01, 2014 4:49 pm

Luveria wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I'm surprised it's so low actually.


I am too. We better start lobbying for more Creationism.

God damn these godmamn Satanic atheist devildogs teaching that the world was made without God! I mean, WHO THE FUCK DO THESE ATHEIST THINK THEY ARE!?

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Postby Genivaria » Wed Jan 01, 2014 4:50 pm

Sociobiology wrote:
Vulpae wrote:It's in large part due to the massive fights in the 70's and 80's with the "monkey's no cousin of me" songs, and anti-evolution campaigns.
It's widely accepted by young to middle age americans that evolution is true.
Dus Ex Machina or "god did it" doesn't fly as a reason with anyone born after 1985.

boy are you for a surprise .

While it's not quite what he makes it out to be it is true that the Millennial Generation is the single most irreligious generation in American history.
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Postby KISS Nation » Wed Jan 01, 2014 4:50 pm

Let people believe what they want to believe. If anything, this is proof of several things.

A. Left wing hypocrisy: "We have to respect foreign governments and their religions and customs!" but here? No, they're stupid.
B. Proof we should abolish the shitty public school system.
C. Left-wing intolerance, "Well, 1/3 of Americans are idiots. They're what's wrong with America! Death to creationists!"

Yet another chapter in wacky tales of the left wing.
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Postby Blasveck » Wed Jan 01, 2014 4:52 pm

KISS Nation wrote:Let people believe what they want to believe. If anything, this is proof of several things.

A. Left wing hypocrisy: "We have to respect foreign governments and their religions and customs!" but here? No, they're stupid.
B. Proof we should abolish the shitty public school system.
C. Left-wing intolerance, "Well, 1/3 of Americans are idiots. They're what's wrong with America! Death to creationists!"

Yet another chapter in wacky tales of the left wing.


It isn't proof of anything unless you've got the statistics to back it up.
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Postby Sociobiology » Wed Jan 01, 2014 4:52 pm

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Great Nepal wrote:Great, now to respect your believes I would like to recommend that you switch away from heretical modern medicine that has its foundation on evolutionary BS and go to alternate medicine.


I do not in fact worship modern medicine; a lot of it is crap and the whole lot is much too costly.

http://silver.neep.wisc.edu/~lakes/iatrogenic.pdf

http://www.ourcivilisation.com/medicine ... deaths.htm

you are alive and statistically you or one of your parents can thank modern medicine for that.
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Jan 01, 2014 4:53 pm

KISS Nation wrote:Let people believe what they want to believe. If anything, this is proof of several things.

A. Left wing hypocrisy: "We have to respect foreign governments and their religions and customs!" but here? No, they're stupid.
B. Proof we should abolish the shitty public school system.
C. Left-wing intolerance, "Well, 1/3 of Americans are idiots. They're what's wrong with America! Death to creationists!"

Yet another chapter in wacky tales of the left wing.

That's a big load of straw-manning bullshit you got there.
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Postby KISS Nation » Wed Jan 01, 2014 4:54 pm

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KISS Nation wrote:Let people believe what they want to believe. If anything, this is proof of several things.

A. Left wing hypocrisy: "We have to respect foreign governments and their religions and customs!" but here? No, they're stupid.
B. Proof we should abolish the shitty public school system.
C. Left-wing intolerance, "Well, 1/3 of Americans are idiots. They're what's wrong with America! Death to creationists!"

Yet another chapter in wacky tales of the left wing.


It isn't proof of anything unless you've got the statistics to back it up.

Maybe if you read some of the other comments you'd understand what I meant for A and C, but B I can understand your ignorance of.

Very simply put, all school systems in all states are meant to indoctrinate the students with whatever ideology the government of that state has. For instance, Texas teaches creationism in its schools because the politicians like it. Curriculum is always left or right wing.
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Postby KISS Nation » Wed Jan 01, 2014 4:55 pm

Genivaria wrote:
KISS Nation wrote:Let people believe what they want to believe. If anything, this is proof of several things.

A. Left wing hypocrisy: "We have to respect foreign governments and their religions and customs!" but here? No, they're stupid.
B. Proof we should abolish the shitty public school system.
C. Left-wing intolerance, "Well, 1/3 of Americans are idiots. They're what's wrong with America! Death to creationists!"

Yet another chapter in wacky tales of the left wing.

That's a big load of straw-manning bullshit you got there.

Read the other comments instead of calling bullshit. C especially is evident around here.
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Postby Vitaphone Racing » Wed Jan 01, 2014 4:56 pm

KISS Nation wrote:Let people believe what they want to believe.

inb4 I'm an intolerant fuck, but when two thirds of the nation believe a story book over science, is that not a notable problem? Freedom of belief only goes so far you know, it might be a little different if they weren't going to pass their beliefs onto future generations.
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Jan 01, 2014 4:56 pm

KISS Nation wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
It isn't proof of anything unless you've got the statistics to back it up.

Maybe if you read some of the other comments you'd understand what I meant for A and C, but B I can understand your ignorance of.

Very simply put, all school systems in all states are meant to indoctrinate the students with whatever ideology the government of that state has. For instance, Texas teaches creationism in its schools because the politicians like it. Curriculum is always left or right wing.

That's simply an argument of why the school system should be run by the Federal government. And no curriculum is not ALWAYS partisan. Such generalizations don't help the conversation.
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Postby KISS Nation » Wed Jan 01, 2014 4:58 pm

Vitaphone Racing wrote:
KISS Nation wrote:Let people believe what they want to believe.

inb4 I'm an intolerant fuck, but when two thirds of the nation believe a story book over science, is that not a notable problem? Freedom of belief only goes so far you know, it might be a little different if they weren't going to pass their beliefs onto future generations.

You can't just go, "wait, their beliefs are wrong, this isn't what I meant".
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Postby Blasveck » Wed Jan 01, 2014 4:58 pm

KISS Nation wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
It isn't proof of anything unless you've got the statistics to back it up.

Maybe if you read some of the other comments you'd understand what I meant for A and C, but B I can understand your ignorance of.

Very simply put, all school systems in all states are meant to indoctrinate the students with whatever ideology the government of that state has. For instance, Texas teaches creationism in its schools because the politicians like it. Curriculum is always left or right wing.


There's nothing to say to A or C besides the fact that all you're really saying is rhetoric. That's it.

As for B, by that logic, any school, public or private, is therefore indoctrinal.
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Postby KISS Nation » Wed Jan 01, 2014 4:59 pm

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KISS Nation wrote:Maybe if you read some of the other comments you'd understand what I meant for A and C, but B I can understand your ignorance of.

Very simply put, all school systems in all states are meant to indoctrinate the students with whatever ideology the government of that state has. For instance, Texas teaches creationism in its schools because the politicians like it. Curriculum is always left or right wing.


There's nothing to say to A or C besides the fact that all you're really saying is rhetoric. That's it.

As for B, by that logic, any school, public or private, is therefore indoctrinal.

Yeah, but if I'm paying for the school, I don't want them to drill beliefs into my child's head (at least ones that I don't agree with).
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Postby Blasveck » Wed Jan 01, 2014 5:01 pm

KISS Nation wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
There's nothing to say to A or C besides the fact that all you're really saying is rhetoric. That's it.

As for B, by that logic, any school, public or private, is therefore indoctrinal.

Yeah, but if I'm paying for the school, I don't want them to drill beliefs into my child's head (at least ones that I don't agree with).


Your child will become exposed to beliefs you don't agree with no matter where they go to school.

Really, just think about this.
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Postby Sociobiology » Wed Jan 01, 2014 5:01 pm

KISS Nation wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
It isn't proof of anything unless you've got the statistics to back it up.

Maybe if you read some of the other comments you'd understand what I meant for A and C, but B I can understand your ignorance of.

Very simply put, all school systems in all states are meant to indoctrinate the students with whatever ideology the government of that state has. For instance, Texas teaches creationism in its schools because the politicians like it. Curriculum is always left or right wing.

so math is what, left wing?
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Jan 01, 2014 5:01 pm

KISS Nation wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
There's nothing to say to A or C besides the fact that all you're really saying is rhetoric. That's it.

As for B, by that logic, any school, public or private, is therefore indoctrinal.

Yeah, but if I'm paying for the school, I don't want them to drill beliefs into my child's head (at least ones that I don't agree with).

Like what? Evolution?
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Postby Vitaphone Racing » Wed Jan 01, 2014 5:02 pm

KISS Nation wrote:
Vitaphone Racing wrote:inb4 I'm an intolerant fuck, but when two thirds of the nation believe a story book over science, is that not a notable problem? Freedom of belief only goes so far you know, it might be a little different if they weren't going to pass their beliefs onto future generations.

You can't just go, "wait, their beliefs are wrong, this isn't what I meant".

Why not?
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Postby Gravlen » Wed Jan 01, 2014 5:03 pm

KISS Nation wrote:Let people believe what they want to believe. If anything, this is proof of several things.

A. Left wing hypocrisy: "We have to respect foreign governments and their religions and customs!" but here? No, they're stupid.

How is this a left wing thing? Why do you think the right wing supports ignorance?

KISS Nation wrote:B. Proof we should abolish the shitty public school system.

Quite the opposite.

KISS Nation wrote:C. Left-wing intolerance, "Well, 1/3 of Americans are idiots. They're what's wrong with America! Death to creationists!"

How is this a left wing thing? Why do you think the right wing supports ignorance?
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Postby Geilinor » Wed Jan 01, 2014 5:03 pm

Sociobiology wrote:
KISS Nation wrote:Maybe if you read some of the other comments you'd understand what I meant for A and C, but B I can understand your ignorance of.

Very simply put, all school systems in all states are meant to indoctrinate the students with whatever ideology the government of that state has. For instance, Texas teaches creationism in its schools because the politicians like it. Curriculum is always left or right wing.

so math is what, left wing?

I don't know why people insist on politicizing the curriculum. Math is math, biology is biology. Not left or right.
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Postby KISS Nation » Wed Jan 01, 2014 5:04 pm

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KISS Nation wrote:Yeah, but if I'm paying for the school, I don't want them to drill beliefs into my child's head (at least ones that I don't agree with).

Like what? Evolution?

If I didn't believe in evolution, I'd probably want my kids to not believe in it too. In many states they only teach creationism. People who like evolution wouldn't want their kids to become creationists.
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Jan 01, 2014 5:04 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Sociobiology wrote: so math is what, left wing?

I don't know why people insist on politicizing the curriculum. Math is math, biology is biology. Not left or right.

Scientists and teachers are all leftist elitists don'tcha know?
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Postby Geilinor » Wed Jan 01, 2014 5:06 pm

KISS Nation wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Like what? Evolution?

If I didn't believe in evolution, I'd probably want my kids to not believe in it too. In many states they only teach creationism. People who like evolution wouldn't want their kids to become creationists.

Science is not a matter of belief. Gravity isn't something you "believe" in, so why should evolution be?
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Postby KISS Nation » Wed Jan 01, 2014 5:07 pm

Geilinor wrote:
KISS Nation wrote:If I didn't believe in evolution, I'd probably want my kids to not believe in it too. In many states they only teach creationism. People who like evolution wouldn't want their kids to become creationists.

Science is not a matter of belief. Gravity isn't something you "believe" in, so why should evolution be?

You're missing my point. If you believe that, why would you want to pay for your kids to learn creationism and become creationists?
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Postby The USOT » Wed Jan 01, 2014 5:07 pm

Poor people :( mass ignorance is such a terrible thing.
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Postby Luveria » Wed Jan 01, 2014 5:07 pm

KISS Nation wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Like what? Evolution?

If I didn't believe in evolution, I'd probably want my kids to not believe in it too. In many states they only teach creationism. People who like evolution wouldn't want their kids to become creationists.


Science is not about "belief" like religion. Science is about facts.

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