One Third of Americans don't believe in Evolution.

[Jamjai]

you may never know, there are some unexplained things in this world

Yeah... How many hominid species exist is not one of them.

I was talking about myths

[Dyakovo]

Yeah... How many hominid species exist is not one of them.

I was talking about myths

That's nice.

[Nervium]

Yeah... How many hominid species exist is not one of them.

I was talking about myths

Erm, myths are called myths for a reason.

[Sun Wukong]

Yeah... How many hominid species exist is not one of them.

I was talking about myths

I'm afraid you've lost me then.

[Orham]

I know it sounds like I'm snorting peyote but bear with me, no scientific process can happen by itself without a greater or equal force driving it.

That's selective pressures, dear. Evolution is a process driven by selective pressures. They're the force which pushes the boat about on the water, though with no particular destination in mind and no aversion from returning to previous locations.

For example, the idea of gravity is explained to be the attraction of a small object to a much bigger one (ie the Earth's core).

Gravity is about an object's mass, not its dimensions. I think that's probably what you meant, but you should be careful to state what you mean when speaking about these sorts of things.

This happens through magnetic molecules...

This is not my understanding of gravitational force, which is that it is a force with an unlimited range exerted by all matter and whose strength is dependent upon the object of interest's relative mass and position.

...but where did the molecules come from and how do they perform gravitational pull? They have to be intelligent beings themselves, perhaps influenced by what we see as God.

You're suggesting that the Earth is intelligent, and that it knowingly and willingly exerts gravitational force upon me to keep me on the ground?

[Libertariamerica]

Ok, so what began it's process of movement? Inertia would only keep it from stopping, but something would have to begin the rotation.

Stellar formation. As the nebular cloud that created the Solar System collapsed inward it began to rotate. This momentum is conserved to this date.

You ask these questions in the belief they are impossible to answer but they are trivially easy.

Maybe that nebular cloud was God, point is I'm sure evolution happened but it had to have had a cause. I rest my case, if you dont believe me that's fine.

[Dyakovo]

Stellar formation. As the nebular cloud that created the Solar System collapsed inward it began to rotate. This momentum is conserved to this date.

You ask these questions in the belief they are impossible to answer but they are trivially easy.

Maybe that nebular cloud was God,¹ point is I'm sure evolution happened but it had to have had a cause². I rest my case, if you dont believe me that's fine³.

1: It wasn't.
2: No, it didn't. Not in the way you're talking about.
3: Not believing your bullshit ideas is more than just "fine" it's preferred.

[Libertariamerica]

Maybe that nebular cloud was God,¹ point is I'm sure evolution happened but it had to have had a cause². I rest my case, if you dont believe me that's fine³.

1: It wasn't.
2: No, it didn't. Not in the way you're talking about.
3: Not believing your bullshit ideas is more than just "fine" it's preferred.

The less amount of trolling you do the better it would be for you, I already filed a report to a moderator. Have a good day.

[Orham]

Maybe that nebular cloud was God...

That's sort of like saying that God is RNA and DNA.

...point is I'm sure evolution happened but it had to have had a cause. I rest my case, if you dont believe me that's fine.

Selective. Pressures. I even gave examples of such.

[Myrensis]

What caused God? This is ultimately the problem any time Christians start trying to pick at evolution scientifically or logically, one way or another they end up having to say, "Our side has magic, rules don't apply, we win!!"

Well, what caused Earth or the big bang? It couldn't have been nothing, for all we know the idea of "God" could just be metaphorical symbolism. Please dont confuse me with other Christians.

We have a pretty good idea of how planets form. As to the nature of the universe before the Big Bang and why it happened the answer is we don't know...yet.

The problem with the God of the Gaps, which exactly what is invoked by ,"well what caused this." Is that those gaps are constantly shrinking.

It's one long continuous stream of. "You can't explain this! Obviously
Gd! Oh. You explained that? Well, you can't explain this, therefore God! Oh, you figured that out too? Well this you could never explain! QED, God!" etc ad infinitum.

[Libertariamerica]

Maybe that nebular cloud was God...

That's sort of like saying that God is RNA and DNA.

...point is I'm sure evolution happened but it had to have had a cause. I rest my case, if you dont believe me that's fine.

Selective. Pressures. I even gave examples of such.

That's sort of like saying that God is RNA and DNA.

You never know

[Aeken]

1: It wasn't.
2: No, it didn't. Not in the way you're talking about.
3: Not believing your bullshit ideas is more than just "fine" it's preferred.

The less amount of trolling you do the better it would be for you, I already filed a report to a moderator. Have a good day.

Having a opinion you don't find favorable isn't trolling.

And as for your argument, saying 'maybe God did it' isn't very credible

[Libertariamerica]

Well, what caused Earth or the big bang? It couldn't have been nothing, for all we know the idea of "God" could just be metaphorical symbolism. Please dont confuse me with other Christians.

We have a pretty good idea of how planets form. As to the nature of the universe before the Big Bang and why it happened the answer is we don't know...yet.

The problem with the God of the Gaps, which exactly what is invoked by ,"well what caused this." Is that those gaps are constantly shrinking.

It's one long continuous stream of. "You can't explain this! Obviously
Gd! Oh. You explained that? Well, you can't explain this, therefore God! Oh, you figured that out too? Well this you could never explain! QED, God!" etc ad infinitum.

As intelligent and open as I am...you lost me there

[Libertariamerica]

The less amount of trolling you do the better it would be for you, I already filed a report to a moderator. Have a good day.

Having a opinion you don't find favorable isn't trolling.

And as for your argument, saying 'maybe God did it' isn't very credible

Right but cussing someone out for no reason is trolling

[Dyakovo]

That's sort of like saying that God is RNA and DNA.



Selective. Pressures. I even gave examples of such.

That's sort of like saying that God is RNA and DNA.

You never know

Yes. We do know. We know what DNA and RNA are. They aren't supernatural, and thus are not "God".

[Aeken]

Having a opinion you don't find favorable isn't trolling.

And as for your argument, saying 'maybe God did it' isn't very credible

Right but cussing someone out for no reason is trolling

Not once did Dya silence you.

[Orham]

You never know

I think you missed my point. I'm saying that the nebular cloud was the material, not the cause of its implosion. Similarly, DNA and RNA are materials, they're not themselves what prompt evolutionary processes to take place. That would be transcription/translation errors (mutations) and the impact of selective pressures on organisms bearing various genotypes and phenotypes.

[Libertariamerica]

You never know

Yes. We do know. We know what DNA and RNA are. They aren't supernatural, and thus are not "God".

You have a point, they aren't supernatural. But what's a better candidate for God than the building blocks of human life? There's a lot of building blocks, which would just prove that God is simply an idea instead of 1 person or entity.

[Orham]

You have a point, they aren't supernatural. But what's a better candidate for God than the building blocks of human life? There's a lot of building blocks, which would just prove that God is simply an idea instead of 1 person or entity.

But at this point one might as well worship water and oxygen molecules. If you want to call your DNA and RNA "god", that's fine as long as the following conditions hold:

(a) You don't expect the idea to be taken seriously by anyone
(b) You don't demand that this idea become any part of schools' curricular standards for teaching about biodiversity or its origins
(c) You don't use this idea to inform your ideas about science policy

Given all that, go ahead and call your DNA and RNA "god". You can even worship it, I won't stop you. Here, I'll even write a prayer for you:

Adenine, in thy holy wisdom lead us
Guanine, in thy infinite mercy defend us
Cytosine, in thy blessed love shelter us
Thymine, in thy sacred strength build us
Uracil, in thy perfection bind us

It doesn't make sense to me, but whatever. I'm a Christian Universalist who meets all three of the criteria I set.

[Dyakovo]

Yes. We do know. We know what DNA and RNA are. They aren't supernatural, and thus are not "God".

You have a point, they aren't supernatural. But what's a better candidate for God than the building blocks of human life? There's a lot of building blocks, which would just prove that God is simply an idea instead of 1 person or entity.

A better candidate is that there is no "God".

[Libertariamerica]

You have a point, they aren't supernatural. But what's a better candidate for God than the building blocks of human life? There's a lot of building blocks, which would just prove that God is simply an idea instead of 1 person or entity.

But at this point one might as well worship water and oxygen molecules. If you want to call your DNA and RNA "god", that's fine as long as the following conditions hold:

(a) You don't expect the idea to be taken seriously by anyone
(b) You don't demand that this idea become any part of schools' curricular standards for teaching about biodiversity or its origins
(c) You don't use this idea to inform your ideas about science policy

Given all that, go ahead and call your DNA and RNA "god". You can even worship it, I won't stop you. Here, I'll even write a prayer for you:

Adenine, in thy holy wisdom lead us
Guanine, in thy infinite mercy defend us
Cytosine, in thy blessed love shelter us
Thymine, in thy sacred strength build us
Uracil, in thy perfection bind us

It doesn't make sense to me, but whatever. I'm a Christian Universalist who meets all three of the criteria I set.

My points are:
a. Those who think scientific processes happen for no reason or cause shouldn't be taken seriously.
b. Nothing can just happen by itself, apples don't fall off of trees without gravity. Therefore, monkeys don't become humans without molecules mutating and manipulating themselves.

[Orham]

Those who think scientific processes happen for no reason or cause shouldn't be taken seriously.

But you've been provided reasons which do not involve divine intervention. You've even been provided as much by a fellow theist, for Heaven's sake. An agnostic theist, but still a theist.

Nothing can just happen by itself, apples don't fall off of trees without gravity. Therefore, monkeys don't become humans without molecules mutating and manipulating themselves.

Well...the Creationist camp is in a bind, then. My argument about evolutionary processes, on the other hand, stands pretty strongly.

[-The Unified Earth Governments-]

1: It wasn't.
2: No, it didn't. Not in the way you're talking about.
3: Not believing your bullshit ideas is more than just "fine" it's preferred.

The less amount of trolling you do the better it would be for you, I already filed a report to a moderator. Have a good day.

Yeah....I doubt he was trolling, as well you shouldn't use Mods as a weapon :|

[Orham]

We have a pretty good idea of how planets form. As to the nature of the universe before the Big Bang and why it happened the answer is we don't know...yet.

The problem with the God of the Gaps, which exactly what is invoked by ,"well what caused this." Is that those gaps are constantly shrinking.

It's one long continuous stream of. "You can't explain this! Obviously
Gd! Oh. You explained that? Well, you can't explain this, therefore God! Oh, you figured that out too? Well this you could never explain! QED, God!" etc ad infinitum.

As intelligent and open as I am...you lost me there

It means that the assumption that God is behind things we don't understand is a weak one, and further that it is one which grows weaker as we come to better understand said things.

[Dyakovo]

But at this point one might as well worship water and oxygen molecules. If you want to call your DNA and RNA "god", that's fine as long as the following conditions hold:

(a) You don't expect the idea to be taken seriously by anyone
(b) You don't demand that this idea become any part of schools' curricular standards for teaching about biodiversity or its origins
(c) You don't use this idea to inform your ideas about science policy

Given all that, go ahead and call your DNA and RNA "god". You can even worship it, I won't stop you. Here, I'll even write a prayer for you:

Adenine, in thy holy wisdom lead us
Guanine, in thy infinite mercy defend us
Cytosine, in thy blessed love shelter us
Thymine, in thy sacred strength build us
Uracil, in thy perfection bind us

It doesn't make sense to me, but whatever. I'm a Christian Universalist who meets all three of the criteria I set.

My points are:
a. Those who think scientific processes happen for no reason or cause shouldn't be taken seriously.
b. Nothing can just happen by itself, apples don't fall off of trees without gravity. Therefore, monkeys don't become humans without molecules mutating and manipulating themselves.

A. No-one is saying that scientific processes happen for no reason.
B. Okay? Also, monkeys did not become humans.