One Third of Americans don't believe in Evolution.

[Regnum Dominae]

That's not how evolution works.

Well evolution is gradual, right? That means something would have to biologically happen in one's body to be "evolved". Follow me so far? Now, what causes the biological change which causes evolution? That question was never answered.

Transcription errors in replication of genetic code. Also known as "mutation".

[Dyakovo]

If anything, you were overly kind in your assessment.

You must be new here, everyone tries to prove against what they don't believe in. It's called debate, grow up and read your democratic Greek history.

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What caused God? This is ultimately the problem any time Christians start trying to pick at evolution scientifically or logically, one way or another they end up having to say, "Our side has magic, rules don't apply, we win!!"

Well, what caused Earth or the big bang? It couldn't have been nothing, for all we know the idea of "God" could just be metaphorical symbolism. Please dont confuse me with other Christians.

Has nothing to do with evolution, and you're wrong anyway.

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That's not how evolution works.

Well evolution is gradual, right? That means something would have to biologically happen in one's body to be "evolved". Follow me so far? Now, what causes the biological change which causes evolution? That question was never answered.

Absolute bullshit. Fucking educate yourself. Mutation and natural selection.

[Libertariamerica]

I wouldn't be shocked, but I'm a semi-practicing Christian. Christians that say "there's no way evolution never happened and humans came out of thin air" to me are wrong. I do believe that if evolution took place, there would have to be someone or something that caused it to take place. Who knows, creation could have taken place through evolution, my philosophy is that not everything has to be black and white

I completely understand your logic, but I think that assuming the supernatural, especially god, was the instigator of evolution is fallacious. My reasoning is that if evolution is so complex and incomprehendable that it requires a god to explain, then a complex god like the Christian one (which depends on a number of infinities) is even more improbable without another god to create it. This creates an infinite regress. Rejecting it and looking into the more scientifically sound idea of abiogenesis will vastly improve your knowledge of evolution's beginning. In fact, the major breakthrough associated with evolution was that it was a system which works naturally.

Say a molecular, chemical process involved with thermodynamics creates a self replicating molecule. This molecule, when replicating, has the flaw of sometimes not replicating perfectly, depending on the conditions the molecule was in when it replicated. Now, this molecule will die if it experiences temperatures below 0 degrees, hypothetically. Now, the flaw in the replication has resulted in multiple mutations of the molecule and one of those mutations can withstand the cold. If a winter or an ice age comes along, this species survives. It has evolved naturally - over millions of years, you get a human.

I mentioned in this thread that the idea of God may not even be a person or entity, but the force that drives all science to work with each other. I know it sounds like I'm snorting peyote but bear with me, no scientific process can happen by itself without a greater or equal force driving it. For example, the idea of gravity is explained to be the attraction of a small object to a much bigger one (ie the Earth's core). This happens through magnetic molecules, but where did the molecules come from and how do they perform gravitational pull? They have to be intelligent beings themselves, perhaps influenced by what we see as God.

[Jamjai]

When we die out, a new hominid will come to existence according to evolution. probably in space where humans are separated into different solar systems

Huh?

Humans are the only hominids, so I don't see how.

you may never know, there are some unexplained things in this world

[Libertariamerica]

You must be new here, everyone tries to prove against what they don't believe in. It's called debate, grow up and read your democratic Greek history.

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Well, what caused Earth or the big bang? It couldn't have been nothing, for all we know the idea of "God" could just be metaphorical symbolism. Please dont confuse me with other Christians.

Has nothing to do with evolution, and you're wrong anyway.

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Well evolution is gradual, right? That means something would have to biologically happen in one's body to be "evolved". Follow me so far? Now, what causes the biological change which causes evolution? That question was never answered.

Absolute bullshit. Fucking educate yourself. Mutation and natural selection.

Natural selection is actually completely different from evolution, natural selection states that the stronger force will overcome a weaker force (ie a big macho can crush a whimp). As far as science, it would mean that humans can easily prey on smaller and/or weaker species. No where in natural selection is evolution influenced, you should educate YOURself.

[Orham]

So evolution is happening, right? And... the cells of your body evolve to create humans from a primitive species.

Rather the cells have, over the course of time and through the impact of selective pressures, come to be favored in cooperation as opposed to isolation (and changed in response to their new conditions upon entering a state of cooperation, I might add). That's a very brief, very simplified explanation of how multicellular organisms came about, but it should do.

Now what could have caused that? There's one law that goes above something like evolution, and that's cause and effect.

That's selective pressures. Everything from the chemical composition of the environment, to the local temperature, to predation, to energy optimization is at play here.

Evolution is the effect, so what's the cause?

No, that's not quite right. Evolution is a process, it's not an effect.

I, think it's God that could've caused the cells in the future human's body to evolve into a much more civilized and intelligent mammal.

Why do you believe that?

[Sun Wukong]

That's not how evolution works.

Well evolution is gradual, right? That means something would have to biologically happen in one's body to be "evolved". Follow me so far? Now, what causes the biological change which causes evolution? That question was never answered.

Umm... yes. Yes it was. Mutations are a result of imperfect gene duplication. That creates variation. Variation is acted upon by natural selection.

[Dyakovo]

I mentioned in this thread that the idea of God may not even be a person or entity, but the force that drives all science to work with each other. I know it sounds like I'm snorting peyote¹ but bear with me, no scientific process can happen by itself without a greater or equal force driving it². For example, the idea of gravity is explained to be the attraction of a small object to a much bigger one (ie the Earth's core). This happens through magnetic molecules, but where did the molecules come from and how do they perform gravitational pull? They have to be intelligent beings themselves³, perhaps influenced by what we see as God.

1: no, it just sounds like you have no clue how evolution works, and are making bullshit up to fill the gaps in your knowledge.
2: Wrong.
3: This has to be the time time I've ever seen someone seriously suggest "Intelligent Falling" as an alternative to the Theory of Gravity. No. the phenomenon of gravity does not require any intelligence to operate.

[Regnum Dominae]

I completely understand your logic, but I think that assuming the supernatural, especially god, was the instigator of evolution is fallacious. My reasoning is that if evolution is so complex and incomprehendable that it requires a god to explain, then a complex god like the Christian one (which depends on a number of infinities) is even more improbable without another god to create it. This creates an infinite regress. Rejecting it and looking into the more scientifically sound idea of abiogenesis will vastly improve your knowledge of evolution's beginning. In fact, the major breakthrough associated with evolution was that it was a system which works naturally.

Say a molecular, chemical process involved with thermodynamics creates a self replicating molecule. This molecule, when replicating, has the flaw of sometimes not replicating perfectly, depending on the conditions the molecule was in when it replicated. Now, this molecule will die if it experiences temperatures below 0 degrees, hypothetically. Now, the flaw in the replication has resulted in multiple mutations of the molecule and one of those mutations can withstand the cold. If a winter or an ice age comes along, this species survives. It has evolved naturally - over millions of years, you get a human.

I mentioned in this thread that the idea of God may not even be a person or entity, but the force that drives all science to work with each other. I know it sounds like I'm snorting peyote but bear with me, no scientific process can happen by itself without a greater or equal force driving it. For example, the idea of gravity is explained to be the attraction of a small object to a much bigger one (ie the Earth's core). This happens through magnetic molecules, but where did the molecules come from and how do they perform gravitational pull? They have to be intelligent beings themselves, perhaps influenced by what we see as God.

You CANNOT be serious.

[Sun Wukong]

Huh?

Humans are the only hominids, so I don't see how.

you may never know, there are some unexplained things in this world

Yeah... How many hominid species exist is not one of them.

[Libertariamerica]

I mentioned in this thread that the idea of God may not even be a person or entity, but the force that drives all science to work with each other. I know it sounds like I'm snorting peyote¹ but bear with me, no scientific process can happen by itself without a greater or equal force driving it². For example, the idea of gravity is explained to be the attraction of a small object to a much bigger one (ie the Earth's core). This happens through magnetic molecules, but where did the molecules come from and how do they perform gravitational pull? They have to be intelligent beings themselves³, perhaps influenced by what we see as God.

1: no, it just sounds like you have no clue how evolution works, and are making bullshit up to fill the gaps in your knowledge.
2: Wrong.
3: This has to be the time time I've ever seen someone seriously suggest "Intelligent Falling" as an alternative to the Theory of Gravity. No. the phenomenon of gravity does not require any intelligence to operate.

I'm obviously feeding the troll here, I have no time or patience with you.

[Regnum Dominae]

I mentioned in this thread that the idea of God may not even be a person or entity, but the force that drives all science to work with each other. I know it sounds like I'm snorting peyote¹ but bear with me, no scientific process can happen by itself without a greater or equal force driving it². For example, the idea of gravity is explained to be the attraction of a small object to a much bigger one (ie the Earth's core). This happens through magnetic molecules, but where did the molecules come from and how do they perform gravitational pull? They have to be intelligent beings themselves³, perhaps influenced by what we see as God.

1: no, it just sounds like you have no clue how evolution works, and are making bullshit up to fill the gaps in your knowledge.
2: Wrong.
3: This has to be the time time I've ever seen someone seriously suggest "Intelligent Falling" as an alternative to the Theory of Gravity. No. the phenomenon of gravity does not require any intelligence to operate.

This is beyond hilarious. I thought I would never see someone actually advocate Intelligent Falling, but alas, this is NSG.

[Libertariamerica]

I mentioned in this thread that the idea of God may not even be a person or entity, but the force that drives all science to work with each other. I know it sounds like I'm snorting peyote but bear with me, no scientific process can happen by itself without a greater or equal force driving it. For example, the idea of gravity is explained to be the attraction of a small object to a much bigger one (ie the Earth's core). This happens through magnetic molecules, but where did the molecules come from and how do they perform gravitational pull? They have to be intelligent beings themselves, perhaps influenced by what we see as God.

You CANNOT be serious.

I am, how does the Earth rotate without an equal or greater force driving it to? Nothing in science is a coincidence if you really get down to the nitty gritty.

[Dyakovo]

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Has nothing to do with evolution, and you're wrong anyway.

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Absolute bullshit. Fucking educate yourself. Mutation and natural selection.

Natural selection is actually completely different from evolution,¹ natural selection states that the stronger force will overcome a weaker force² (ie a big macho can crush a whimp). As far as science, it would mean that humans can easily prey on smaller and/or weaker species³. No where in natural selection is evolution influenced, you should educate YOURself.⁴

1: Yes and no (but mostly no)... Natural Selection is the process by which evolution happens.
2: No, that isn't what natural selection is at all.
3: Again, no that isn't what natural selection is at all.
4: The full name of the Theory of Evolution is the Theory of Evolution via Natural Selection. You don't know this and yet you expect us to take your ignorant bullshit seriously?

[Sun Wukong]

1: no, it just sounds like you have no clue how evolution works, and are making bullshit up to fill the gaps in your knowledge.
2: Wrong.
3: This has to be the time time I've ever seen someone seriously suggest "Intelligent Falling" as an alternative to the Theory of Gravity. No. the phenomenon of gravity does not require any intelligence to operate.

I'm obviously feeding the troll here, I have no time or patience with you.

Not gracious enough to admit defeat huh?

[Regnum Dominae]

You CANNOT be serious.

I am, how does the Earth rotate without an equal or greater force driving it to? Nothing in science is a coincidence if you really get down to the nitty gritty.

Conservation of angular momentum.

That was easy.

[Dyakovo]

You CANNOT be serious.

I am, how does the Earth rotate without an equal or greater force driving it to? Nothing in science is a coincidence if you really get down to the nitty gritty.

Has nothing to fucking do with evolution. Quit trying to change the subject.

[Libertariamerica]

I'm obviously feeding the troll here, I have no time or patience with you.

Not gracious enough to admit defeat huh?

If this is some type of game to you, then trolling would be like cheating. I have no time to play this game with cheaters.

[Dyakovo]

1: no, it just sounds like you have no clue how evolution works, and are making bullshit up to fill the gaps in your knowledge.
2: Wrong.
3: This has to be the time time I've ever seen someone seriously suggest "Intelligent Falling" as an alternative to the Theory of Gravity. No. the phenomenon of gravity does not require any intelligence to operate.

I'm obviously feeding the troll here, I have no time or patience with you.

Not up to the task of admitting you're wrong, I see.

[Dyakovo]

Not gracious enough to admit defeat huh?

If this is some type of game to you, then trolling would be like cheating. I have no time to play this game with cheaters.

You being wrong and horrifyingly ignorant about evolution and how it works does not make me a troll.

[Sun Wukong]

You CANNOT be serious.

I am, how does the Earth rotate without an equal or greater force driving it to? Nothing in science is a coincidence if you really get down to the nitty gritty.

Really?

Inertia. Without friction there is no force to slow the earth's rotation. The earth does not require any additional energy to maintain momentum.

[Libertariamerica]

I am, how does the Earth rotate without an equal or greater force driving it to? Nothing in science is a coincidence if you really get down to the nitty gritty.

Conservation of angular momentum.

That was easy.

It's easy to give a process a name, but explaining how it happens would be impossible without saying "there is a cause and effect". Issac Newton implied the same idea with the Law of Motion.

[Libertariamerica]

I am, how does the Earth rotate without an equal or greater force driving it to? Nothing in science is a coincidence if you really get down to the nitty gritty.

Really?

Inertia. Without friction there is no force to slow the earth's rotation. The earth does not require any additional energy to maintain momentum.

Ok, so what began it's process of movement? Inertia would only keep it from stopping, but something would have to begin the rotation.

[Sun Wukong]

Not gracious enough to admit defeat huh?

If this is some type of game to you, then trolling would be like cheating. I have no time to play this game with cheaters.

Except he didn't troll. You're just looking for an excuse to back out because you're in way over your head but you're not willing to admit it.

[Sun Wukong]

Really?

Inertia. Without friction there is no force to slow the earth's rotation. The earth does not require any additional energy to maintain momentum.

Ok, so what began it's process of movement? Inertia would only keep it from stopping, but something would have to begin the rotation.

Stellar formation. As the nebular cloud that created the Solar System collapsed inward it began to rotate. This momentum is conserved to this date.

You ask these questions in the belief they are impossible to answer but they are trivially easy.