One Third of Americans don't believe in Evolution.

[Esternial]

I agree. There are better uses for my chloroform.

Looking for love again, Esternial?

Stockholm syndrome forges strong bonds between people *nod*

[Orham]

Nobody buys into lies anymore, I wouldn't say that evolution never happened but saying that it just happens out of the blue is absurd.

Imagine the objective is to have lightning strike a satellite dish. Given a single lightning strike, that's pretty unlikely isn't it? Now imagine that it doesn't matter which satellite dish, you've got infinite lightning strikes to have any one in the world struck, and there are millions of lightning strikes happening every quarter second.

...

Seems more likely now, doesn't it?

For example, a monkey can't just change into a human from thin air.

No. No they cannot. If I may ask, however: this has what to do with evolution?

There has to be a cause that they can never prove, whether it's supernatural or molecular.

Evolutionary pressures and their impact are well-documented, and the present understanding of how this impact comes about has been thoroughly-tested.

[Libertariamerica]

Let me answer your stupid question with another stupid question, how would you feel if I silenced your opinion, my way is the highway, and you have no say whatsoever? You wouldn't like that very much, that's how I feel now in case you don't have a clue. And please, watch your language if you want to have an intelligent discussion.

This debate has been going on for a while, so I would just like to pop in and quickly ask what your position on evolution is. I mean, do you believe that human beings have evolved gradually over millions of years from more primitive species?

I wouldn't be shocked, but I'm a semi-practicing Christian. Christians that say "there's no way evolution never happened and humans came out of thin air" to me are wrong. I do believe that if evolution took place, there would have to be someone or something that caused it to take place. Who knows, creation could have taken place through evolution, my philosophy is that not everything has to be black and white

[Libertariamerica]

Let me answer your stupid question with another stupid question, how would you feel if I silenced your opinion, my way is the highway, and you have no say whatsoever? You wouldn't like that very much, that's how I feel now in case you don't have a clue. And please, watch your language if you want to have an intelligent discussion.

You are right. That was a stupid question. No one is silencing your opinion. You are free to continue posting your misguided nonsense no matter how many times we correct you.

What about me seems misguided? I just joined NS tonight, you're too quick to judge.

[Libertariamerica]

Let me answer your stupid question with another stupid question, how would you feel if I silenced your opinion, my way is the highway, and you have no say whatsoever? You wouldn't like that very much, that's how I feel now in case you don't have a clue. And please, watch your language if you want to have an intelligent discussion.

I'm not silencing your opinion. I'm telling you that it is complete bullshit.

K

[Libertariamerica]

Let me answer your stupid question with another stupid question, how would you feel if I silenced your opinion, my way is the highway, and you have no say whatsoever? You wouldn't like that very much, that's how I feel now in case you don't have a clue. And please, watch your language if you want to have an intelligent discussion.

So if I'm telling people God and/or Jesus live(s) in North Korea through some pretty words and teach this to my children, you're okey with that.

I mean...you've never been there so how would you know?

Huh?!

[Libertariamerica]

Let me answer your stupid question with another stupid question, how would you feel if I silenced your opinion, my way is the highway, and you have no say whatsoever? You wouldn't like that very much, that's how I feel now in case you don't have a clue. And please, watch your language if you want to have an intelligent discussion.

If "silencing your opinion" means not teaching myths instead of facts in science class, then I'm totally fine with "silencing your opinion".

I would agree that teachers shouldn't be teaching religion in schools, nor should they push any controversial topic. I agree with you on that one

[Dyakovo]

This debate has been going on for a while, so I would just like to pop in and quickly ask what your position on evolution is. I mean, do you believe that human beings have evolved gradually over millions of years from more primitive species?

I wouldn't be shocked, but I'm a semi-practicing Christian. Christians that say "there's no way evolution never happened and humans came out of thin air" to me are wrong. I do believe that if evolution took place, there would have to be someone or something that caused it to take place. Who knows, creation could have taken place through evolution, my philosophy is that not everything has to be black and white

There is no "if". Evolution did happen and still is happening, and no, there is no need for there to have been anything to caused it. No more so than there is a need for some over-reaching thing to have caused gravity.

[Jamjai]

When we die out, a new hominid will come to existence according to evolution. probably in space where humans are separated into different solar systems

[Sun Wukong]

You are right. That was a stupid question. No one is silencing your opinion. You are free to continue posting your misguided nonsense no matter how many times we correct you.

What about me seems misguided? I just joined NS tonight, you're too quick to judge.

So far you've criticized evolutionary theory despite clearly not even understanding it, dismissed 20,000 peer reviewed scientific articles as a conspiracy theory, and complained that you were being "silenced" when it was pointed out that you were wrong.

I think my judgment is fine.

[Dyakovo]

If "silencing your opinion" means not teaching myths instead of facts in science class, then I'm totally fine with "silencing your opinion".

I would agree that teachers shouldn't be teaching religion in schools, nor should they push any controversial topic. I agree with you on that one

Evolution is not a controversial topic. There is zero controversy surrounding whether or not evolution happens, nor is there any controversy about how it happens. Fucking educate yourself.

[Dyakovo]

What about me seems misguided? I just joined NS tonight, you're too quick to judge.

So far you've criticized evolutionary theory despite clearly not even understanding it, dismissed 20,000 peer reviewed scientific articles as a conspiracy theory, and complained that you were being "silenced" when it was pointed out that you were wrong.

I think my judgment is fine.

If anything, you were overly kind in your assessment.

[Orham]

Christians that say "there's no way evolution never happened and humans came out of thin air" to me are wrong.

Ah, I see I have misunderstood you. I thought you were playing the probability gambit against evolution.

I do believe that if evolution took place, there would have to be someone or something that caused it to take place. Who knows, creation could have taken place through evolution, my philosophy is that not everything has to be black and white

There is no scientific evidence which suggests that a deity or deities even exist, let alone that it/they prompted the development of biodiversity. If one asserts that there is a deity and that it impacted evolution somehow, one must do so with the understanding that they're making a claim without any scientific evidence whatsoever to support it.

[Sun Wukong]

When we die out, a new hominid will come to existence according to evolution. probably in space where humans are separated into different solar systems

Huh?

Humans are the only hominids, so I don't see how.

[Libertariamerica]

I wouldn't be shocked, but I'm a semi-practicing Christian. Christians that say "there's no way evolution never happened and humans came out of thin air" to me are wrong. I do believe that if evolution took place, there would have to be someone or something that caused it to take place. Who knows, creation could have taken place through evolution, my philosophy is that not everything has to be black and white

There is no "if". Evolution did happen and still is happening, and no, there is no need for there to have been anything to caused it. No more so than there is a need for some over-reaching thing to have caused gravity.

Let's say it did, going along with your opinion/probable fact. So evolution is happening, right? And... the cells of your body evolve to create humans from a primitive species. Now what could have caused that? There's one law that goes above something like evolution, and that's cause and effect. Evolution is the effect, so what's the cause? I, think it's God that could've caused the cells in the future human's body to evolve into a much more civilized and intelligent mammal.

[Myrensis]

[quote="Libertariamerica";p="18428918"]
I wouldn't be shocked, but I'm a semi-practicing Christian. Christians that say "there's no way evolution never happened and humans came out of thin air" to me are wrong. I do believe that if evolution took place, there would have to be someone or something that caused it to take place. Who knows, creation could have taken place through evolution, my philosophy is that not everything has to be black and white [/quote


What caused God? This is ultimately the problem any time Christians start trying to pick at evolution scientifically or logically, one way or another they end up having to say, "Our side has magic, rules don't apply, we win!!"

[Libertariamerica]

So far you've criticized evolutionary theory despite clearly not even understanding it, dismissed 20,000 peer reviewed scientific articles as a conspiracy theory, and complained that you were being "silenced" when it was pointed out that you were wrong.

I think my judgment is fine.

If anything, you were overly kind in your assessment.

You must be new here, everyone tries to prove against what they don't believe in. It's called debate, grow up and read your democratic Greek history.

[Regnum Dominae]

There is no "if". Evolution did happen and still is happening, and no, there is no need for there to have been anything to caused it. No more so than there is a need for some over-reaching thing to have caused gravity.

Let's say it did, going along with your opinion/probable fact. So evolution is happening, right? And... the cells of your body evolve to create humans from a primitive species. Now what could have caused that? There's one law that goes above something like evolution, and that's cause and effect. Evolution is the effect, so what's the cause? I, think it's God that could've caused the cells in the future human's body to evolve into a much more civilized and intelligent mammal.

Natural selection.

Oh, and evolution isn't intelligent. It's completely undirected.

[Sun Wukong]

There is no "if". Evolution did happen and still is happening, and no, there is no need for there to have been anything to caused it. No more so than there is a need for some over-reaching thing to have caused gravity.

Let's say it did, going along with your opinion/probable fact. So evolution is happening, right? And... the cells of your body evolve to create humans from a primitive species. Now what could have caused that? There's one law that goes above something like evolution, and that's cause and effect. Evolution is the effect, so what's the cause? I, think it's God that could've caused the cells in the future human's body to evolve into a much more civilized and intelligent mammal.

That's not how evolution works.

[Libertariamerica]

I wouldn't be shocked, but I'm a semi-practicing Christian. Christians that say "there's no way evolution never happened and humans came out of thin air" to me are wrong. I do believe that if evolution took place, there would have to be someone or something that caused it to take place. Who knows, creation could have taken place through evolution, my philosophy is that not everything has to be black and white [/quote


What caused God? This is ultimately the problem any time Christians start trying to pick at evolution scientifically or logically, one way or another they end up having to say, "Our side has magic, rules don't apply, we win!!"

Well, what caused Earth or the big bang? It couldn't have been nothing, for all we know the idea of "God" could just be metaphorical symbolism. Please dont confuse me with other Christians.

[Myrensis]

I wouldn't be shocked, but I'm a semi-practicing Christian. Christians that say "there's no way evolution never happened and humans came out of thin air" to me are wrong. I do believe that if evolution took place, there would have to be someone or something that caused it to take place. Who knows, creation could have taken place through evolution, my philosophy is that not everything has to be black and white

What caused God? This is ultimately the problem any time Christians start trying to pick at evolution scientifically or logically, one way or another they end up having to say, "Our side has magic, rules don't apply, we win!!"

[Sun Wukong]

If anything, you were overly kind in your assessment.

You must be new here, everyone tries to prove against what they don't believe in. It's called debate, grow up and read your democratic Greek history.

And in a debate, when the other person says "you're wrong," you don't get to cry censorship.

[People Who Say Ni]

This debate has been going on for a while, so I would just like to pop in and quickly ask what your position on evolution is. I mean, do you believe that human beings have evolved gradually over millions of years from more primitive species?

I wouldn't be shocked, but I'm a semi-practicing Christian. Christians that say "there's no way evolution never happened and humans came out of thin air" to me are wrong. I do believe that if evolution took place, there would have to be someone or something that caused it to take place. Who knows, creation could have taken place through evolution, my philosophy is that not everything has to be black and white

I completely understand your logic, but I think that assuming the supernatural, especially god, was the instigator of evolution is fallacious. My reasoning is that if evolution is so complex and incomprehendable that it requires a god to explain, then a complex god like the Christian one (which depends on a number of infinities) is even more improbable without another god to create it. This creates an infinite regress. Rejecting it and looking into the more scientifically sound idea of abiogenesis will vastly improve your knowledge of evolution's beginning. In fact, the major breakthrough associated with evolution was that it was a system which works naturally.

Say a molecular, chemical process involved with thermodynamics creates a self replicating molecule. This molecule, when replicating, has the flaw of sometimes not replicating perfectly, depending on the conditions the molecule was in when it replicated. Now, this molecule will die if it experiences temperatures below 0 degrees, hypothetically. Now, the flaw in the replication has resulted in multiple mutations of the molecule and one of those mutations can withstand the cold. If a winter or an ice age comes along, this species survives. It has evolved naturally - over millions of years, you get a human.

[Libertariamerica]

Let's say it did, going along with your opinion/probable fact. So evolution is happening, right? And... the cells of your body evolve to create humans from a primitive species. Now what could have caused that? There's one law that goes above something like evolution, and that's cause and effect. Evolution is the effect, so what's the cause? I, think it's God that could've caused the cells in the future human's body to evolve into a much more civilized and intelligent mammal.

That's not how evolution works.

Well evolution is gradual, right? That means something would have to biologically happen in one's body to be "evolved". Follow me so far? Now, what causes the biological change which causes evolution? That question was never answered.

[People Who Say Ni]

That's not how evolution works.

Well evolution is gradual, right? That means something would have to biologically happen in one's body to be "evolved". Follow me so far? Now, what causes the biological change which causes evolution? That question was never answered.

Oh no! Evolution is a completely natural process. Take a look at my example above.