One Third of Americans don't believe in Evolution.

[Czechanada]

If evolution doesn't happen, then why aren't Australians dark skinned yet from living in all that sunshine?

[Shaggai]

1: There's no such thing as "evolutionism".
2: Kindly point out the supposed holes in the Theory of Evolution via Natural Selection.

What are all the diffrent types/favors of evolution?

What do you mean?

[Nervium]

If evolution doesn't happen, then why aren't Australians dark skinned yet from living in all that sunshine?

Hypothesis one: Because the entire Australian subcontinent is filled with flora and fauna that is made to kill, like the huntsman spider.

Hypothesis two: The Great Architect doesn't allow it.

Hypothesis three: Surfing.

Hypothesis four: Evolution takes thousands if not hundreds of thousand to millions of years to have significant change.

[The Republic of Mattlandia]

If evolution doesn't happen, then why aren't Australians dark skinned yet from living in all that sunshine?

Hypothesis one: Because the entire Australian subcontinent is filled with flora and fauna that is made to kill, like the huntsman spider.

Hypothesis two: The Great Architect doesn't allow it.

Hypothesis three: Surfing.

Hypothesis four: Evolution takes thousands if not hundreds of thousand to millions of years to have significant change.

Great Architect? Like Frank Lloyd Wright?

[Uieurnthlaal]

Hypothesis one: Because the entire Australian subcontinent is filled with flora and fauna that is made to kill, like the huntsman spider.

Hypothesis two: The Great Architect doesn't allow it.

Hypothesis three: Surfing.

Hypothesis four: Evolution takes thousands if not hundreds of thousand to millions of years to have significant change.

Great Architect? Like Frank Lloyd Wright?

How dare you mention the Lord by His name?

[Chinese Regions]

If evolution doesn't happen, then why aren't Australians dark skinned yet from living in all that sunshine?

Because sun block was invented and not all parts of Australia are deserts.

[Chinese Regions]

Great Architect? Like Frank Lloyd Wright?

How dare you mention the Lord by His name?

Stone him!

[United Prefectures of Appia]

If evolution doesn't happen, then why aren't Australians dark skinned yet from living in all that sunshine?

What are you talking about? What about the Aborigines native to Australia, hmm? Or are you talking about the descendants of British immigrants and prisoners from Old Europe? If that's the case, then know that evolution takes about hundreds of thousands of years, if not, millions to make significant changes.

[The Black Forrest]

If evolution doesn't happen, then why aren't Australians dark skinned yet from living in all that sunshine?

Because they are wearing whiteface.

[Mavorpen]

As in scientific laws?

Yes.

A law can be represented mathematically as well as be supported by strong empirical evidence, natural selection is only the latter, it is a theory. Evolution is neither, evolution is the thing, the phenomenon, the fact that scientists describe/explain not a theory or law in its own right.

The same goes for gravity except it does have a law to describe how it behaves as well as theories that were developed much later than Newton's universal law of gravitation to explain its origins and why it behaves as it does. Gravity is a phenomenon, not a theory/law in its own right.

This has nothing to do with my post. My only point was that scientific laws don't have to be represented by mathematical statements. They can be verbal as well.

[Chinese Regions]

As in scientific laws?

Yes.

A law can be represented mathematically as well as be supported by strong empirical evidence, natural selection is only the latter, it is a theory. Evolution is neither, evolution is the thing, the phenomenon, the fact that scientists describe/explain not a theory or law in its own right.

The same goes for gravity except it does have a law to describe how it behaves as well as theories that were developed much later than Newton's universal law of gravitation to explain its origins and why it behaves as it does. Gravity is a phenomenon, not a theory/law in its own right.

This has nothing to do with my post. My only point was that scientific laws don't have to be represented by mathematical statements. They can be verbal as well.

Of course one doesn't have to write it mathematically but in order for it to be a scientific law it should be expressible mathematically.
The theory of natural selection has strong empirical evidence to back it up, but it is not law, it is a theory.
Laws usually explain how phenomena behave while theories usually explain how they work. Evolution

[Mavorpen]

Of course one doesn't have to write it mathematically but in order for it to be a scientific law it should be expressible mathematically.

Wrong. It could be expressible mathematically. And most can be. But it doesn't have to be.

[Chinese Regions]

Of course one doesn't have to write it mathematically but in order for it to be a scientific law it should be expressible mathematically.

Wrong. It could be expressible mathematically. And most can be. But it doesn't have to be.

Give me an example of a scientific law that cannot be expressed mathematically.

Way to go to ignore my second point too. If you look at Newton's law of universal gravitation, all you know about gravity is that it is affected by distance and mass, nothing on why it's like that, it just is, it is a description on how the force of gravity behaves. On the other hand, the theory of natural selection tells us why creatures evolve, to adapt to their environment and how; random mutations with each successive generation of procreation, it is an explanation to how evolution works and why.

[Mavorpen]

Wrong. It could be expressible mathematically. And most can be. But it doesn't have to be.

Give me an example of a scientific law that cannot be expressed mathematically.

Sommerfeld–Kossel displacement law.

[Sociobiology]

Wrong. It could be expressible mathematically. And most can be. But it doesn't have to be.

Give me an example of a scientific law that cannot be expressed mathematically.

you do realize not only can evolution be represented mathematically but that is actually how it is studied.

laymans law of evolution

allele frequency in population at time 1 =/= allele frequency in the same population at time 2.

or you can look up the Price equations

[Sun Wukong]

Give me an example of a scientific law that cannot be expressed mathematically.

you do realize not only can evolution be represented mathematically but that is actually how it is studied.

laymans law of evolution

allele frequency in population at time 1 =/= allele frequency in the same population at time 2.

or you can look up the Price equations

Too many sigmas.

[-The Unified Earth Governments-]

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Uh huh, and so why does it remain significantly less than a niche market? I expect to see a traffic one would see in the The Jetsons cartoon.

Perhaps because flying cars are stupid, and a flying car doesn't mean you are advanced or shit, I mean come on, we take things like tablets for granted but back a dozen years or so, you would have been investigated and brought in for how you have that technology.

Silly, this should be obvious

[Unilisia]

Its a shame we all don't subscribe to the most legitimate theory in the regards to the origin in life.

Instead some wish to believe in a book made my primitive jack asses who didn't know what the fuck they were doing.

This is pretty much my opinion on the situation as well, but, I do respect everyone's right to believe whatever the hell they want, even if I don't like what they believe in.

[Sociobiology]

you do realize not only can evolution be represented mathematically but that is actually how it is studied.

laymans law of evolution

allele frequency in population at time 1 =/= allele frequency in the same population at time 2.

or you can look up the Price equations

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Too many sigmas.

not the actual equation but a derivative, I can't find a copy of the equation in a format that transfers.
but I can link a paper with it
http://www.zoo.ox.ac.uk/group/gardner/publications/Gardner_2008.pdf

I like this one because it has a formal statement of natural selection in mathematical terms.

[Sun Wukong]

Too many sigmas.

not the actual equation but a derivative, I can't find a copy of the equation in a format that transfers.
but I can link a paper with it
http://www.zoo.ox.ac.uk/group/gardner/publications/Gardner_2008.pdf

I like this one because it has a formal statement of natural selection in mathematical terms.

I like that one too, but I think the easier one is the altruism one.

...which I can't find.

[Chinese Regions]

Give me an example of a scientific law that cannot be expressed mathematically.

you do realize not only can evolution be represented mathematically but that is actually how it is studied.

laymans law of evolution

allele frequency in population at time 1 =/= allele frequency in the same population at time 2.

or you can look up the Price equations

My point is debunking "evolution is a law". Evolution phenomenon that is to be described/explained by laws and theories not a law or theory in its own right. That is not to say something cannot be called "Law of Evolution" or "Theory of Evolution" but they will still not be evolution itself.

[Mavorpen]

you do realize not only can evolution be represented mathematically but that is actually how it is studied.

laymans law of evolution

allele frequency in population at time 1 =/= allele frequency in the same population at time 2.

or you can look up the Price equations

My point is debunking "evolution is a law". Evolution phenomenon that is to be described/explained by laws and theories not a law or theory in its own right. That is not to say something cannot be called "Law of Evolution" or "Theory of Evolution" but they will still not be evolution itself.

That's odd.

A law is well documented, predictable phenomenon.
examples being law of universal gravitation and the law of evolution.

Wrong, laws can be quantified mathematically i.e. the force of gravity being inversely proportional to the square of the distance between the masses, you can represent that mathematically. Show me the math for evolution then we can call it a law.

Sociobiology stated the definition of a scientific law and gave the law of evolution as an example. You then said that he's wrong and made the incorrect statement that any law must be able to be expressed mathematically. Seems to me that you said exactly what you are now claiming you aren't saying.

[Sociobiology]

you do realize not only can evolution be represented mathematically but that is actually how it is studied.

laymans law of evolution

allele frequency in population at time 1 =/= allele frequency in the same population at time 2.

or you can look up the Price equations

My point is debunking "evolution is a law". Evolution phenomenon that is to be described/explained by laws and theories not a law or theory in its own right. That is not to say something cannot be called "Law of Evolution" or "Theory of Evolution" but they will still not be evolution itself.

a description of a phenomenon is a law, therefore that is the law of said phenomenon. The law is the description of evolution itself.
So either you are completely wrong or I am confused about what you are arguing.

[Chinese Regions]

My point is debunking "evolution is a law". Evolution phenomenon that is to be described/explained by laws and theories not a law or theory in its own right. That is not to say something cannot be called "Law of Evolution" or "Theory of Evolution" but they will still not be evolution itself.

That's odd.

Wrong, laws can be quantified mathematically i.e. the force of gravity being inversely proportional to the square of the distance between the masses, you can represent that mathematically. Show me the math for evolution then we can call it a law.

Sociobiology stated the definition of a scientific law and gave the law of evolution as an example. You then said that he's wrong and made the incorrect statement that any law must be able to be expressed mathematically. Seems to me that you said exactly what you are now claiming you aren't saying.

Evolution is not a law and neither is The Theory of Evolution via Natural Selection is what I'm saying, theories can exist to explain evolution but they aren't evolution themselves and laws can exit to describe evolution but they are not evolution themselves.
I never said there wasn't any law for evolution, just that evolution isn't a law in its own right, it makes as much sense as calling gravity a law, it isn't, it is a phenomenon of nature and a force, it has a law to explain how it behaves.

[Chinese Regions]

My point is debunking "evolution is a law". Evolution phenomenon that is to be described/explained by laws and theories not a law or theory in its own right. That is not to say something cannot be called "Law of Evolution" or "Theory of Evolution" but they will still not be evolution itself.

a description of a phenomenon is a law, therefore that is the law of said phenomenon. The law is the description of evolution itself.
So either you are completely wrong or I am confused about what you are arguing.

The phenomenon isn't the law itself, ergo "evolution is a law" is incorrect. What is correct is "evolution has a law".