One Third of Americans don't believe in Evolution.

[Chinese Regions]

I still don't understand why 'Murricans would take the Bible so literally. I have nothing against religious belief, but a document with incidents dating back to the time of BC shouldn't be taken at point blank face value, especially since even records at the time then carry fantasic embellishments by the authors and editors who adapt their works.

Its just a fictional novel to me and I treat it as such.

I mean really, it is pretty outlandish, sounds like something that could have happened in a comic.

Pretty bad comic, plot inconsistencies everywhere.
I hear someone called Paul wrote a fanfic involving some guy named Jesse and he wrote it as if Jesse the son of Yahweh from the official comics (It's like this guy worships Jesse or something, weird).
I also heard someone wrote a fanfic of the fanfic involving a guy named Muhammad, but it is in fact a book with no pictures because the fanfic includes a rule not to make pictures of the characters involved.

[Shaggai]

Its just a fictional novel to me and I treat it as such.

I mean really, it is pretty outlandish, sounds like something that could have happened in a comic.

Pretty bad comic, plot inconsistencies everywhere.

It could be kind of good. In a meta sort of way, of course. Depending on how you did it.

[Northwest Slobovia]

I don't know what you would call me. Christian I guess. I believe in the bible and everything it says and I also believe in evolution. My theory was "How long is one of god's days", and the Naked Archaeologist came up with a theory on how the heavens and the earth were created in a day. And because of that show , I am more religious than I use to be. And yes I do believe we are living in the last days.

But the Bible has the order of creation wrong. How is that possibly true?

Worse, it has two contradictory creation myths, with different orders:

The Book of Genesis contains two separate narratives of creation that contradict each other in many ways.

FIRST NARRATIVE:
Chapter 1

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the
face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the
waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light
from the darkness.

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And
the evening and the morning were the first day.

6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters,
and let it divide the waters from the waters.

7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under
the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it
was so.

8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning
were the second day.

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together
unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the
waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding
seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is
in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his
kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his
kind: and God saw that it was good.

13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to
divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for
seasons, and for days, and years:

15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give
light upon the earth: and it was so.

16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day,
and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon
the earth,

18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light
from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving
creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the
open firmament of heaven.

21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth,
which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every
winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill
the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after
his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his
kind: and it was so.

25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after
their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his
kind: and God saw that it was good.

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and
let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of
the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every
creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he
him; male and female created he them.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and
multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion
over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every
living thing that moveth upon the earth.

29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed,
which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which
is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and
to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I
have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very
good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Chapter 2

1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he
rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in
it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.


SECOND NARRATIVE:
4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they
were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the
heavens,

5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every
herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to
rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face
of the ground.

7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed
into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put
the man whom he had formed.

9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is
pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the
midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.


The two narratives have an entirely different order of events from each other.

First narrative:
Day 1: light, darkness, day and night
Day 2: the firmament ("heaven")
Day 3: dry land, earth and seas, plant life
Day 4: sun, moon, stars
Day 5: birds, sea life
Day 6: terrestrial animal life, humans
Day 7: God rests

Second narrative:
- heaven and earth
- mist to water the earth
- man
- Garden of Eden, where man is put
- plants and animals
- woman

From one of Reg Dom's posts in a previous edition of this thread.

[Shaggai]

But the Bible has the order of creation wrong. How is that possibly true?

Worse, it has two contradictory creation myths, with different orders:

The Book of Genesis contains two separate narratives of creation that contradict each other in many ways.

FIRST NARRATIVE:
Chapter 1

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the
face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the
waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light
from the darkness.

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And
the evening and the morning were the first day.

6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters,
and let it divide the waters from the waters.

7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under
the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it
was so.

8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning
were the second day.

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together
unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the
waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding
seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is
in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his
kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his
kind: and God saw that it was good.

13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to
divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for
seasons, and for days, and years:

15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give
light upon the earth: and it was so.

16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day,
and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon
the earth,

18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light
from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving
creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the
open firmament of heaven.

21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth,
which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every
winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill
the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after
his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his
kind: and it was so.

25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after
their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his
kind: and God saw that it was good.

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and
let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of
the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every
creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he
him; male and female created he them.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and
multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion
over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every
living thing that moveth upon the earth.

29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed,
which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which
is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and
to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I
have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very
good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Chapter 2

1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he
rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in
it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.


SECOND NARRATIVE:
4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they
were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the
heavens,

5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every
herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to
rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face
of the ground.

7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed
into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put
the man whom he had formed.

9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is
pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the
midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.


The two narratives have an entirely different order of events from each other.

First narrative:
Day 1: light, darkness, day and night
Day 2: the firmament ("heaven")
Day 3: dry land, earth and seas, plant life
Day 4: sun, moon, stars
Day 5: birds, sea life
Day 6: terrestrial animal life, humans
Day 7: God rests

Second narrative:
- heaven and earth
- mist to water the earth
- man
- Garden of Eden, where man is put
- plants and animals
- woman

From one of Reg Dom's posts in a previous edition of this thread.

And both of them have the order of creation wrong. My point stands.

[Sociobiology]

most of the supposed wrongness is stuff he did not know (and said he did not know but did make a few guesses) like said genetics.
the only other real error is Darwin thought evolution operated slower than it does, mostly due to the above.

Not knowing doesn't mean he was wrong.

hence the phrase "only real error"

[Sociobiology]

There isn't any.

Sigh I meant to say "Big Bang", I really have got to stay off bing.

When in the beginning God created the heavens (clearly not Heaven as people would believe) and the earth(obvious omission of other planets) , the earth being untamed and shapeless, God said, Let there be light (referring to an instantaneous explosion within the very universe itself).

The Big Bang is science's best explanation for how the universe began. According to the theory, the universe started out much hotter and much denser than it is today, and expanded and cooled over time. Though the term may sound like the universe began with a giant explosion, many scientists say that's not part of the theory. An explosion implies that something exploded, or expanded, from one center point outward into space. In fact, the Big Bang theory suggests that space itself expanded. "If it were an explosion it would have a center," said physicist Paul Steinhardt, director of the Princeton Center for Theoretical Science at Princeton University in Princeton, N.J. "We actually observe that everything is moving away from everything else. It's really about an expansion of the universe ." Instead of a center from which everything expanded, scientists think space is expanding everywhere, in all directions, equally. "Space isn’t just something that sits there and things happen in it – space is a dynamical thing," said Andreas Albrecht, a theoretical physicist at the University of California, Davis. Though to some, the question of whether there was an explosion is just semantics. "I think anything that starts out at 10 to the 40th degrees, and is doubling in size every tiny, tiny fraction of a second – I think you'd want to call that an explosion," Albrecht said. "But it has different features than someone setting off a bomb in the desert." - See more at: http://www.livescience.com/32278-was-th ... KG90E.dpuf

a light bulb is an explosion?

[Northwest Slobovia]

Worse, it has two contradictory creation myths, with different orders:

The Book of Genesis contains two separate narratives of creation that contradict each other in many ways.

FIRST NARRATIVE:
Chapter 1

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the
face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the
waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light
from the darkness.

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And
the evening and the morning were the first day.

6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters,
and let it divide the waters from the waters.

7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under
the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it
was so.

8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning
were the second day.

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together
unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the
waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding
seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is
in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his
kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his
kind: and God saw that it was good.

13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to
divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for
seasons, and for days, and years:

15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give
light upon the earth: and it was so.

16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day,
and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon
the earth,

18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light
from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving
creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the
open firmament of heaven.

21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth,
which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every
winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill
the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after
his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his
kind: and it was so.

25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after
their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his
kind: and God saw that it was good.

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and
let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of
the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every
creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he
him; male and female created he them.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and
multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion
over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every
living thing that moveth upon the earth.

29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed,
which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which
is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and
to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I
have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very
good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Chapter 2

1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he
rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in
it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.


SECOND NARRATIVE:
4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they
were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the
heavens,

5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every
herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to
rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face
of the ground.

7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed
into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put
the man whom he had formed.

9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is
pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the
midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.


The two narratives have an entirely different order of events from each other.

First narrative:
Day 1: light, darkness, day and night
Day 2: the firmament ("heaven")
Day 3: dry land, earth and seas, plant life
Day 4: sun, moon, stars
Day 5: birds, sea life
Day 6: terrestrial animal life, humans
Day 7: God rests

Second narrative:
- heaven and earth
- mist to water the earth
- man
- Garden of Eden, where man is put
- plants and animals
- woman

From one of Reg Dom's posts in a previous edition of this thread.

And both of them have the order of creation wrong. My point stands.

I wasn't disagreeing, just emphasizing that it's worse than many people believe.

[Dyakovo]

evolutionism has more holes than creationism one big hole being the impossibility of absolute knowledge in the human mind forming absolute knowledge may have a different name I do not quite remember the theory

1: There's no such thing as "evolutionism".
2: Kindly point out the supposed holes in the Theory of Evolution via Natural Selection.

---

There isn't any.

Sigh I meant to say "Big Bang", I really have got to stay off bing.

When in the beginning God created the heavens (clearly not Heaven as people would believe) and the earth(obvious omission of other planets) , the earth being untamed and shapeless, God said, Let there be light (referring to an instantaneous explosion within the very universe itself).

Sorry, but no. There is no evidence of the Big Bang in the bible.

[Chinese Regions]

A law is well documented, predictable phenomenon.
examples being law of universal gravitation and the law of evolution.

Wrong, laws can be quantified mathematically i.e. the force of gravity being inversely proportional to the square of the distance between the masses, you can represent that mathematically. Show me the math for evolution then we can call it a law.

[Mavorpen]

A law is well documented, predictable phenomenon.
examples being law of universal gravitation and the law of evolution.

Wrong, laws can be quantified mathematically i.e. the force of gravity being inversely proportional to the square of the distance between the masses, you can represent that mathematically. Show me the math for evolution then we can call it a law.

Uh, no. Many laws can be described mathematically, but they don't have to be.

[Pritsapidoulas]

One third huh? Hell of a number. Well, I am not so surprised tbh.

[United Prefectures of Appia]

One third? And you wonder why we can't have fucking good things? But NOOOOOOO, we had to have stupid idiotic Flinstones holding progress back. I'm a Jetson FFS!
This is the 21st Century! WHERE'S MY FLYING CAR DAMNIT!!!!!

[Pritsapidoulas]

One third? And you wonder why we can't have fucking good things? But NOOOOOOO, we had to have stupid idiotic Flinstones holding progress back. I'm a Jetson FFS!
This is the 21st Century! WHERE'S MY FLYING CAR DAMNIT!!!!!

No need to shout. You can have your flying car.

[Ifreann]

One third? And you wonder why we can't have fucking good things? But NOOOOOOO, we had to have stupid idiotic Flinstones holding progress back. I'm a Jetson FFS!
This is the 21st Century! WHERE'S MY FLYING CAR DAMNIT!!!!!

We've had flying cars for quite some time now. Aeroplanes.

[Chinese Regions]

Wrong, laws can be quantified mathematically i.e. the force of gravity being inversely proportional to the square of the distance between the masses, you can represent that mathematically. Show me the math for evolution then we can call it a law.

Uh, no. Many laws can be described mathematically, but they don't have to be.

As in scientific laws?

Law of conservation of energy: ΔE_Total=0
Newton's universal law of gravitation: F∝-M₁M₂, F∝-1/r² thus F=-GM₁M₂/r²
etc.

A law can be represented mathematically as well as be supported by strong empirical evidence, natural selection is only the latter, it is a theory. Evolution is neither, evolution is the thing, the phenomenon, the fact that scientists describe/explain not a theory or law in its own right.

The same goes for gravity except it does have a law to describe how it behaves as well as theories that were developed much later than Newton's universal law of gravitation to explain its origins and why it behaves as it does. Gravity is a phenomenon, not a theory/law in its own right.

[United Prefectures of Appia]

We've had flying cars for quite some time now. Aeroplanes.

Not the same thing

[Conscentia]

We've had flying cars for quite some time now. Aeroplanes.

Not the same thing

[United Prefectures of Appia]

(Image)

Uh huh, and so why does it remain significantly less than a niche market? I expect to see a traffic one would see in the The Jetsons cartoon.

[Sun Wukong]

Not the same thing

Cars and airplanes belong to entirely separate mechanical clades.

That hybrid was stillborn.

[Great Nepal]

Not the same thing

[Conscentia]

(Image)

That's more a road-legal plane (if it even is road-legal... ) than a flying car.

[Pandeeria]

evolutionism has more holes than creationism one big hole being the impossibility of absolute knowledge in the human mind forming absolute knowledge may have a different name I do not quite remember the theory

1: There's no such thing as "evolutionism".
2: Kindly point out the supposed holes in the Theory of Evolution via Natural Selection.

What are all the diffrent types/favors of evolution?

[Great Nepal]

That's more a road-legal plane than a flying car.

Flying car = Road legal plane....

[Conscentia]

That's more a road-legal plane than a flying car.

Flying car = Road legal plane....

I disagree.

[Chinese Regions]

Flying car = Road legal plane....

I disagree.

What if it was a transforming road legal seaplane?