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Postby European Socialist Republic » Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:20 pm

Internal Union wrote:1)evolutionism has more holes than creationism 2)one big hole being the impossibility to the evolution of absolute knowledge in the human mind

1) Source?
2) What? What do you even mean by this? That it's impossible for humans to evolve omniscience and that therefore, evolution is wrong?
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Postby Agritum » Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:22 pm

Benuty wrote:
-The Unified Earth Governments- wrote:Its just a fictional novel to me and I treat it as such.

I mean really, it is pretty outlandish, sounds like something that could have happened in a comic.

If comics existed thousands of years ago :p.

What if some kind of natural disaster happens, and after millennia, a group of survivors finds a cache of comic books and interprets them as holy scripture?

Food for thought.

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Postby Benuty » Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:24 pm

Agritum wrote:
Benuty wrote:If comics existed thousands of years ago :p.

What if some kind of natural disaster happens, and after millennia, a group of survivors finds a cache of comic books and interprets them as holy scripture?

Food for thought.

Does said comic have an archival history of a people, region, laws, and religious practices of said people (and their neighbors) spanning an era?
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Postby Avenio » Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:29 pm

Benuty wrote:
Agritum wrote:What if some kind of natural disaster happens, and after millennia, a group of survivors finds a cache of comic books and interprets them as holy scripture?

Food for thought.

Does said comic have an archival history of a people, region, laws, and religious practices of said people (and their neighbors) spanning an era?


Image

Not strictly a comic, of course, but the point stands.
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Postby Benuty » Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:31 pm

Avenio wrote:
Benuty wrote:Does said comic have an archival history of a people, region, laws, and religious practices of said people (and their neighbors) spanning an era?


Image

Not strictly a comic, of course, but the point stands.

Now all we need is Harry potter and LOTR.
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Postby -The Unified Earth Governments- » Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:37 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Benuty wrote:Now all we need is Harry potter and LOTR.

Harry Potter is a children's book that was milked for money.
LOTR is awesome.
We do not need Potter.

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No.

Anyways I would love the Forerunner Saga from Greg Bear to be that book to be worshiped.

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Postby Odd People » Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:37 pm

I don't know what you would call me. Christian I guess. I believe in the bible and everything it says and I also believe in evolution. My theory was "How long is one of god's days", and the Naked Archaeologist came up with a theory on how the heavens and the earth were created in a day. And because of that show , I am more religious than I use to be. And yes I do believe we are living in the last days.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:40 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Benuty wrote:Now all we need is Harry potter and LOTR.

Harry Potter is a children's book that was milked for money.
LOTR is awesome.
We do not need Potter.


Disagree. To more or less quote my kids librarian at school.

I won't judge the books on their writing; I look at how many kids are reading them and go on to read other things. For that; it's a great set of books.
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Postby Northwest Slobovia » Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:42 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Benuty wrote:Now all we need is Harry potter and LOTR.

Harry Potter is a children's book that was milked for money.
LOTR is awesome.
We do not need Potter.

Deep in your heart, you know Potter descended from LotR. ;)
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Postby Conscentia » Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:49 pm

Northwest Slobovia wrote:
Conscentia wrote:Harry Potter is a children's book that was milked for money.
LOTR is awesome.
We do not need Potter.

Deep in your heart, you know Potter descended from LotR. ;)
At best, it ripped off some ideas.

The Black Forrest wrote:
Conscentia wrote:Harry Potter is a children's book that was milked for money.
LOTR is awesome.
We do not need Potter.

Disagree. To more or less quote my kids librarian at school.
I won't judge the books on their writing; I look at how many kids are reading them and go on to read other things. For that; it's a great set of books.
Depends on what they go on to read.
Quality not quantity. :p

I never meant that Harry Potter was bad. Merely that it's not comparable to Tolkien's legendary legendarium.

Anyway... Americans and Evolution...
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Postby 4years » Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:57 pm

Internal Union wrote:1. evolutionism has more holes than creationism 2. one big hole being the impossibility of absolute knowledge in the human mind forming absolute knowledge may have a different name I do not quite remember the theory


1. Source?
2. Pseudo-Hegelian babble, with just a hint of Descartes, is a big hole in evolutionary theory? Why, pray, is that?
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Postby Czechanada » Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:57 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Conscentia wrote:Harry Potter is a children's book that was milked for money.
LOTR is awesome.
We do not need Potter.


Disagree. To more or less quote my kids librarian at school.

I won't judge the books on their writing; I look at how many kids are reading them and go on to read other things. For that; it's a great set of books.


Actually, Harry Potter teaches that plagiarism is okay, considering that J.K. Rowling ripped off The Adventures of Willy the Wizard: Livid Land.
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Postby Shaggai » Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:57 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Northwest Slobovia wrote:Deep in your heart, you know Potter descended from LotR. ;)
At best, it ripped off some ideas.

The Black Forrest wrote:Disagree. To more or less quote my kids librarian at school.
I won't judge the books on their writing; I look at how many kids are reading them and go on to read other things. For that; it's a great set of books.
Depends on what they go on to read.
Quality not quantity. :p

I never meant that Harry Potter was bad. Merely that it's not comparable to Tolkien's legendary legendarium.

Anyway... Americans and Evolution...

Of course it isn't comparable. It's a children's book (well, series. You know what I mean). If you evaluated the Silmarillion as a children's book it would be terrible.

Anyway, on topic:
Odd People wrote:I don't know what you would call me. Christian I guess. I believe in the bible and everything it says and I also believe in evolution. My theory was "How long is one of god's days", and the Naked Archaeologist came up with a theory on how the heavens and the earth were created in a day. And because of that show , I am more religious than I use to be. And yes I do believe we are living in the last days.

But the Bible has the order of creation wrong. How is that possibly true?
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Postby Great Nepal » Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:58 pm

4years wrote:2. Pseudo-Hegelian babble, with just a hint of Descartes, is a big hole in evolutionary theory? Why, pray, is that?

We can't see monkeys turning into humans after they gain enough xp...
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Postby Benuty » Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:00 pm

Shaggai wrote:
Conscentia wrote:
At best, it ripped off some ideas.

Depends on what they go on to read.
Quality not quantity. :p

I never meant that Harry Potter was bad. Merely that it's not comparable to Tolkien's legendary legendarium.

Anyway... Americans and Evolution...

Of course it isn't comparable. It's a children's book (well, series. You know what I mean). If you evaluated the Silmarillion as a children's book it would be terrible.

Anyway, on topic:
Odd People wrote:I don't know what you would call me. Christian I guess. I believe in the bible and everything it says and I also believe in evolution. My theory was "How long is one of god's days", and the Naked Archaeologist came up with a theory on how the heavens and the earth were created in a day. And because of that show , I am more religious than I use to be. And yes I do believe we are living in the last days.

But the Bible has the order of creation wrong. How is that possibly true?

Not hardly, at best people misinterpret the days as actual days (rather they are symbolic of the weekly cycle). I don't have to look far for evidence of the "Bing Bang" in the bible at all.
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Postby 4years » Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:00 pm

Odd People wrote:I don't know what you would call me. Christian I guess. 1. I believe in the bible and everything it says and I also believe in evolution. 2. My theory was "How long is one of god's days", and the Naked Archaeologist came up with a theory on how the heavens and the earth were created in a day. And because of that show , I am more religious than I use to be. 3. And yes I do believe we are living in the last days.


1. Cognitive dissonance much?
2. "Everything the bible says is correct as written, except for the parts that are so obviously wrong that I have to thoroughly reinterpret them to make them correct."
3. Why is that?
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Postby -The Unified Earth Governments- » Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:01 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Northwest Slobovia wrote:Deep in your heart, you know Potter descended from LotR. ;)
At best, it ripped off some ideas.

The Black Forrest wrote:Disagree. To more or less quote my kids librarian at school.
I won't judge the books on their writing; I look at how many kids are reading them and go on to read other things. For that; it's a great set of books.
Depends on what they go on to read.
Quality not quantity. :p

I never meant that Harry Potter was bad. Merely that it's not comparable to Tolkien's legendary legendarium.

Anyway... Americans and Evolution...


I hate that stuff actually, LOTR and all that is overrated imo, but lets avoid that and get on topic :|
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Postby Benuty » Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:12 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Benuty wrote:Not hardly, at best people misinterpret the days as actual days (rather they are symbolic of the weekly cycle). I don't have to look far for evidence of the "Bing Bang" in the bible at all.

There isn't any.

Sigh I meant to say "Big Bang", I really have got to stay off bing.

When in the beginning God created the heavens (clearly not Heaven as people would believe) and the earth(obvious omission of other planets) , the earth being untamed and shapeless, God said, Let there be light (referring to an instantaneous explosion within the very universe itself).

The Big Bang is science's best explanation for how the universe began. According to the theory, the universe started out much hotter and much denser than it is today, and expanded and cooled over time. Though the term may sound like the universe began with a giant explosion, many scientists say that's not part of the theory. An explosion implies that something exploded, or expanded, from one center point outward into space. In fact, the Big Bang theory suggests that space itself expanded. "If it were an explosion it would have a center," said physicist Paul Steinhardt, director of the Princeton Center for Theoretical Science at Princeton University in Princeton, N.J. "We actually observe that everything is moving away from everything else. It's really about an expansion of the universe ." Instead of a center from which everything expanded, scientists think space is expanding everywhere, in all directions, equally. "Space isn’t just something that sits there and things happen in it – space is a dynamical thing," said Andreas Albrecht, a theoretical physicist at the University of California, Davis. Though to some, the question of whether there was an explosion is just semantics. "I think anything that starts out at 10 to the 40th degrees, and is doubling in size every tiny, tiny fraction of a second – I think you'd want to call that an explosion," Albrecht said. "But it has different features than someone setting off a bomb in the desert." - See more at: http://www.livescience.com/32278-was-th ... KG90E.dpuf
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Postby Conscentia » Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:14 pm

Benuty wrote:
Conscentia wrote:There isn't any.

Sigh I meant to say "Big Bang", I really have got to stay off bing.
When in the beginning God created the heavens (clearly not Heaven as people would believe) and the earth(obvious omission of other planets) , the earth being untamed and shapeless, God said, Let there be light (referring to an instantaneous explosion within the very universe itself).

Firstly, Nonsense.
Secondly, the Big Bang was not an explosion. I think Albrecht is being misleading.
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Postby Benuty » Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:16 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Benuty wrote:Sigh I meant to say "Big Bang", I really have got to stay off bing.
When in the beginning God created the heavens (clearly not Heaven as people would believe) and the earth(obvious omission of other planets) , the earth being untamed and shapeless, God said, Let there be light (referring to an instantaneous explosion within the very universe itself).

Firstly, Nonsense.
Secondly, the Big Bang was not an explosion.

Explosion does not entail instant eradication at all.
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Postby Chinese Regions » Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:20 pm

Agritum wrote:
Benuty wrote:If comics existed thousands of years ago :p.

What if some kind of natural disaster happens, and after millennia, a group of survivors finds a cache of comic books and interprets them as holy scripture?

Food for thought.

And maybe another group finds a separate set of comic books and they span a huge religious war.
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