France's 'Millionaire Tax'

[Othelos]

Extortion is still the wrong word. Taxes are more like rent.

Rent, certainly. Where you couldn't exit the state's service and forced to pay for it.

People can leave most nations anytime they wish.

[Al Horeya]

I approve greatly. Progressive taxation is the only logical tax system.

I disagree (unless you count a Georgist tax system to be a progressive one).

[Conscentia]

Extortion is still the wrong word. Taxes are more like rent.

Rent, certainly. Where you couldn't exit the state's service and forced to pay for it.

You can move to a different jurisdiction, or terra nullius. (Though the latter is more difficult.)
Just as people can move home, or build their own.

[Frisivisia]

I approve greatly. Progressive taxation is the only logical tax system.

I disagree (unless you count a Georgist tax system to be a progressive one).

Then you're wrong.

Extortion is still the wrong word. Taxes are more like rent.

Not really. But that is a threadjack for another time.

Assuming taxes are rent, there are renters rights which preclude overburdensome payments. France's rent is too damn high.

I can't honestly say that getting a million Euros and having some of it taxed on your company is too high. You're still left with a ridiculous amount of money, and it's still only leveled at the company who pays you, not you.

[Conscentia]

I approve greatly. Progressive taxation is the only logical tax system.

I disagree (unless you count a Georgist tax system to be a progressive one).

If's one's nation has little valuable natural resources, or chooses not to exploit them (perhaps due to environmental considerations), then a Georgist tax system is most illogical.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Rent, certainly. Where you couldn't exit the state's service and forced to pay for it.

People can leave most nations anytime they wish.

"Lurv it or Leave it! Colonel Sanders 2015!"

[Threlizdun]

It's nice to see improvements being made. If only the rest of the world could learn to follow France's pursuit of economic freedom.

[Seangoli]

Rent, certainly. Where you couldn't exit the state's service and forced to pay for it.

People can leave most nations anytime they wish.

The wealthy doubly so. It is far easier to actually relocate if you are vastly wealthy than if you are poor. Hell, most countries will welcome you with open arms and the like.

And yet, you don't really see vast droves of wealthy people fleeing areas with high taxation. Some areas with the highest taxes actually have the strongest business environment.

Why? Because generally speaking, people don't like to live in areas where the entire market is effectively money-laundering. You can't make money in an area which caters to the extremely wealthy, as they simply don't buy a damn thing. They tuck it away, never to see the light of day. There's more to a market economy than marginal taxes and take-home pay. More money can be made, regardless of marginal taxes, where large numbers of people actually live.

[Othelos]

People can leave most nations anytime they wish.

"Lurv it or Leave it! Colonel Sanders 2015!"

People move because of taxes all the time.

Someone could also move somewhere else within the nation where taxes are lower.

[Blasveck]

People can leave most nations anytime they wish.

"Lurv it or Leave it! Colonel Sanders 2015!"

Never mind that, depending on where you live, leaving isn't cheap.

[Occupied Deutschland]

"Lurv it or Leave it! Colonel Sanders 2015!"

People move because of taxes all the time.

Indeed.
This is not a justification for those taxes.

[Othelos]

People move because of taxes all the time.

Indeed.
This is not a justification for those taxes.

Then when the opportunity presents itself, move from town A to town B five miles away.

Edit: to address your post: true. But pretty much everywhere has taxes, so people have to make do.

[Seangoli]

Extortion is still the wrong word. Taxes are more like rent.

Not really. But that is a threadjack for another time.

Assuming taxes are rent, there are renters rights which preclude overburdensome payments. France's rent is too damn high.

What is wrong with expecting those who benefit the most from a system to actually support it in a proportional way? The wealthy, regardless of what anybody thinks, benefit the greatest from living in a modern industrialized nation. Disproportionally so.

[Seangoli]

"Lurv it or Leave it! Colonel Sanders 2015!"

People move because of taxes all the time.

Someone could also move somewhere else within the nation where taxes are lower.

And people move to places with higher taxes all the time.

The people who leave have zero interest in actually being a productive member in the economy at that point. They have made their millions, and want to up and leave with it. I say good riddance. Makes room for people who want to contribute to the economy.

[Souseiseki]

"Lurv it or Leave it! Colonel Sanders 2015!"

People move because of taxes all the time.

Someone could also move somewhere else within the nation where taxes are lower.

lol i just realized one of the main arguments from that side is the rich leaving

"taxes are theft! we can't leave the states jurisdiction!"
"if we raise taxes, the rich will leave the states jurisdiction!"

[Frisivisia]

People move because of taxes all the time.

Someone could also move somewhere else within the nation where taxes are lower.

lol i just realized one of the main arguments from that side is the rich leaving

"taxes are theft! we can't leave the states jurisdiction!"
"if we raise taxes, the rich will leave the states jurisdiction!"

The obvious solution is to ban poor people.

[Geilinor]

People can leave most nations anytime they wish.

"Lurv it or Leave it! Colonel Sanders 2015!"

As long as you live within that state, you do have to pay taxes for the services it provides.

[Geilinor]

People move because of taxes all the time.

Someone could also move somewhere else within the nation where taxes are lower.

lol i just realized one of the main arguments from that side is the rich leaving

"taxes are theft! we can't leave the states jurisdiction!"
"if we raise taxes, the rich will leave the states jurisdiction!"

[Vitaphone Racing]

Taxes are not fucking rent for the last time. Taxes are taxes, rent is rent. We don't need an analogy (certainly not something that doesn't even make sense) to explain everything.

[Frisivisia]

Taxes are not fucking rent for the last time. Taxes are taxes, rent is rent. We don't need an analogy (certainly not something that doesn't even make sense) to explain everything.

And for the last time, the rightists talk in nonsense analogies so we need one that works slightly better to counter it.

[Geilinor]

Taxes are not fucking rent for the last time. Taxes are taxes, rent is rent. We don't need an analogy (certainly not something that doesn't even make sense) to explain everything.

Many who make the argument don't really believe that they are, it's just a way to explain it to "taxation is theft!" folks, who use simplistic analogies as well.

[Souseiseki]

Taxes are not fucking rent for the last time. Taxes are taxes, rent is rent. We don't need an analogy (certainly not something that doesn't even make sense) to explain everything.

fight stupid oversimplitstic analogies with stupid oversimplitstic analogies, young padawan?

perhaps then... they will understand.

[Geilinor]

Taxes are not fucking rent for the last time. Taxes are taxes, rent is rent. We don't need an analogy (certainly not something that doesn't even make sense) to explain everything.

fight stupid oversimplitstic analogies with stupid oversimplitstic analogies, young padawan?

perhaps then... they will understand.

If they stopped arguing on the basis of "taxation is theft", they could actually be debated with on a higher level. The topic is not whether taxes should exist or not, it is whether these new taxes are the best way to reduce the deficit and raise revenue or not.

[Al Horeya]

I disagree (unless you count a Georgist tax system to be a progressive one).

If's one's nation has little valuable natural resources, or chooses not to exploit them (perhaps due to environmental considerations), then a Georgist tax system is most illogical.

Right, but in the case where a nation DOES use its natural resources, a Georgist system could be logical and reasonable. Besides, a person who owns more than one home, or who owns a home in a valuable area (ocean front, for example) would pay a higher tax, while those who live in a city apartment would pay little in taxes.
I'm just saying, progressive taxation isn't the only logical option. Different nations can use different systems without being regarded as irrational.

[Vitaphone Racing]

Taxes are not fucking rent for the last time. Taxes are taxes, rent is rent. We don't need an analogy (certainly not something that doesn't even make sense) to explain everything.

And for the last time, the rightists talk in nonsense analogies so we need one that works slightly better to counter it.

Taxes are not fucking rent for the last time. Taxes are taxes, rent is rent. We don't need an analogy (certainly not something that doesn't even make sense) to explain everything.

Many who make the argument don't really believe that they are, it's just a way to explain it to "taxation is theft!" folks, who use simplistic analogies as well.

Taxes are not fucking rent for the last time. Taxes are taxes, rent is rent. We don't need an analogy (certainly not something that doesn't even make sense) to explain everything.

fight stupid oversimplitstic analogies with stupid oversimplitstic analogies, young padawan?

perhaps then... they will understand.

Yeah, that's all well and good until you have people who aren't aware of the joke(?) and then repeat it like it's a good analogy. Why do you want to make everyone's life harder? Why do you hate children?