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Postby Souseiseki » Mon Dec 30, 2013 4:02 pm

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Olivaero wrote:Gee I will feel sorry for all those poor millionaires that are hurt by this... They are often the worst off in society I struggle to think how they keep their heads above water sometimes all these taxes reducing them to mere incomes of several hundred thousand. Clearly they need the money more than the poor people who being feckless and greedy it would be just wasted upon.

Why don't the socialist be generos with there own money rather than other people's money. And most people on welfare are lazy and should get off there lazy ass and GO TO WORK.


there are 40 applicants for each vacancy. most people on welfare are there as a result of this, are are not lazy at all. have you considered you have no idea what you are talking about? thanks.
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Postby Estado Paulista » Mon Dec 30, 2013 4:03 pm

Ainin wrote:
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Not really. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but from what I understood, you'll have to pay 75% of your income, if you earn more than €1 million by year.

Nope.

The government of France taxes a company 0.5 euros for every euro above 1mn it pays an employee.

EDIT: It's closer to 0.75


So, let's suppose I pay an employee 1,500,000 Euros.

After paying taxes, my employee will have 1,250,000 Euros?

Sorry if I'm wrong.
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Postby New Acardia » Mon Dec 30, 2013 4:07 pm

If theoy with the two toys earned those toys through hard work and finally got those toys he wanted why should he have to share with the other boy who did nothing to help earn those toys?[/quote]

society as a whole helps business owners thrive, and giving back helps society, which in turns helps business owners even more by improving society and for example, education, providing a pool of educated workers. any business owner that disagrees with this is free to try and get shit done without the backdrop provided by society. it's also a case by case basis as to whether a person got their wealth through hard work

Reminds me of a quote
"A man builds a parasite asks. Where is my share. "
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Postby Ainin » Mon Dec 30, 2013 4:07 pm

Estado Paulista wrote:
Ainin wrote:Nope.

The government of France taxes a company 0.5 euros for every euro above 1mn it pays an employee.

EDIT: It's closer to 0.75


So, let's suppose I pay an employee 1,500,000 Euros.

After paying taxes, my employee will have 1,250,000 Euros?

Sorry if I'm wrong.

If you pay your employee 1.5mn euros, you'll have to give the government 375mn (~75% of 500k) in addition is what I'm getting from this article.
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Postby Estado Paulista » Mon Dec 30, 2013 4:09 pm

Ainin wrote:
Estado Paulista wrote:
So, let's suppose I pay an employee 1,500,000 Euros.

After paying taxes, my employee will have 1,250,000 Euros?

Sorry if I'm wrong.

If you pay your employee 1.5mn euros, you'll have to give the government 375mn (~75% of 500k) in addition is what I'm getting from this article.


Oh, I believe I understand it now. Thanks.
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Postby Frisivisia » Mon Dec 30, 2013 4:11 pm

New acardia wrote:If theoy with the two toys earned those toys through hard work and finally got those toys he wanted why should he have to share with the other boy who did nothing to help earn those toys?


society as a whole helps business owners thrive, and giving back helps society, which in turns helps business owners even more by improving society and for example, education, providing a pool of educated workers. any business owner that disagrees with this is free to try and get shit done without the backdrop provided by society. it's also a case by case basis as to whether a person got their wealth through hard work

Reminds me of a quote
"A man builds a parasite asks. Where is my share. "[/quote]
That's trickle-down economic philosophy which has shown time and time again to not actually happen. Also, why shouldn't everyone have toys when everyone can have toys?

That's an awful shitty quote which dehumanizes a strawman representation of the poor. Sounds like Ayn Rand.
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Postby New Acardia » Mon Dec 30, 2013 4:21 pm

I have been around people on welfare. Most of my life and most of them are parasites. And I got the quote from Ayn Rand. And why should everyone have toys if they did not work for them.?
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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Mon Dec 30, 2013 4:22 pm

New acardia wrote:I have been around people on welfare. Most of my life and most of them are parasites. And I got the quote from Ayn Rand. And why should everyone have toys if they did not work for them.?


Because the ones that have them usually didn't work for them, or not any harder than the others. :)
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Postby The High Guardians » Mon Dec 30, 2013 4:23 pm

New acardia wrote:I have been around people on welfare. Most of my life and most of them are parasites. And I got the quote from Ayn Rand. And why should everyone have toys if they did not work for them.?


I was on welfare...then I joined the Military.I assume I went from your nightmare/parasite to your hero!
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Postby New Acardia » Mon Dec 30, 2013 4:31 pm

Why don't the socialist be generos with there own money rather than other people's money. And most people on welfare are lazy and should get off there lazy ass and GO TO WORK.[/quote]
there are 40 applicants for each vacancy. most people on welfare are there as a result of this, are are not lazy at all. have you considered you have no idea what you are talking about? thanks.[/quote]
I do know what I am talking about because I have been around people on welfare most of my life. One of them even called me a asshole for not using my dissabilty. To get on SSI because I told him I wanted to get a job and I offered some people a job they could have by just showing up. But they did not want it. So I say again most people on welfare are lazy parasites.
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Postby New Acardia » Mon Dec 30, 2013 4:34 pm

The High Guardians wrote:
New acardia wrote:I have been around people on welfare. Most of my life and most of them are parasites. And I got the quote from Ayn Rand. And why should everyone have toys if they did not work for them.?


I was on welfare...then I joined the Military.I assume I went from your nightmare/parasite to your hero!

You did something good and I respect you for getting off of welfare.
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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Mon Dec 30, 2013 4:34 pm

New acardia wrote:Why don't the socialist be generos with there own money rather than other people's money. And most people on welfare are lazy and should get off there lazy ass and GO TO WORK.

there are 40 applicants for each vacancy. most people on welfare are there as a result of this, are are not lazy at all. have you considered you have no idea what you are talking about? thanks.[/quote]
I do know what I am talking about because I have been around people on welfare most of my life. One of them even called me a asshole for not using my dissabilty. To get on SSI because I told him I wanted to get a job and I offered some people a job they could have by just showing up. But they did not want it. So I say again most people on welfare are lazy parasites.[/quote]

...

They are all because the ones you were around were, according to you? Right.
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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Dec 30, 2013 4:35 pm

New acardia wrote:
there are 40 applicants for each vacancy. most people on welfare are there as a result of this, are are not lazy at all. have you considered you have no idea what you are talking about? thanks.

I do know what I am talking about because I have been around people on welfare most of my life. One of them even called me a asshole for not using my dissabilty. To get on SSI because I told him I wanted to get a job and I offered some people a job they could have by just showing up. But they did not want it. So I say again most people on welfare are lazy parasites.

Right, because your personal experience has brought you into contact with "most people on welfare." Be careful, "all X are Y" is an actionable offense here.
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Postby New Acardia » Mon Dec 30, 2013 4:36 pm

Unitaristic Regions wrote:
New acardia wrote:Why don't the socialist be generos with there own money rather than other people's money. And most people on welfare are lazy and should get off there lazy ass and GO TO WORK.

there are 40 applicants for each vacancy. most people on welfare are there as a result of this, are are not lazy at all. have you considered you have no idea what you are talking about? thanks.

I do know what I am talking about because I have been around people on welfare most of my life. One of them even called me a asshole for not using my dissabilty. To get on SSI because I told him I wanted to get a job and I offered some people a job they could have by just showing up. But they did not want it. So I say again most people on welfare are lazy parasites.[/quote
They are all because the ones you were around were, according to you? Right.[/quote] . Most of them are
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Postby The yoshin empire » Mon Dec 30, 2013 4:36 pm

New acardia wrote:
The High Guardians wrote:
I was on welfare...then I joined the Military.I assume I went from your nightmare/parasite to your hero!

You did something good and I respect you for getting off of welfare.

He works for the goverment , by your logic hes living off handouts and goverment cheese , and is a parasite for living of taxdollars

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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Dec 30, 2013 4:37 pm

New acardia wrote:Most of them are

I guess we'll need a documented source for that.
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Postby The High Guardians » Mon Dec 30, 2013 4:37 pm

The yoshin empire wrote:
New acardia wrote:You did something good and I respect you for getting off of welfare.

He works for the goverment , by your logic hes living off handouts and goverment cheese , and is a parasite for living of taxdollars


Government cheese doesn't taste very nice :(

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Postby America Libertaria » Mon Dec 30, 2013 4:38 pm

Souseiseki wrote:
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If the boy with the two toys earned those toys through hard work and finally got those toys he wanted why should he have to share with the other boy who did nothing to help earn those toys?


society as a whole helps business owners thrive, and giving back helps society, which in turns helps business owners even more by improving society and for example, education, providing a pool of educated workers. any business owner that disagrees with this is free to try and get shit done without the backdrop provided by society. it's also a case by case basis as to whether a person got their wealth through hard work or not.



fuck stupid analogies, incidentally.


I'm not against giving back to society, but it should only be through private donations.
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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Dec 30, 2013 4:38 pm

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The yoshin empire wrote:He works for the goverment , by your logic hes living off handouts and goverment cheese , and is a parasite for living of taxdollars


Government cheese doesn't taste very nice :(

I suppose you'll be using my Sacred Tax Dollars to buy smelly gourmet cheese, huh?
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Postby New Acardia » Mon Dec 30, 2013 4:39 pm

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New acardia wrote:I do know what I am talking about because I have been around people on welfare most of my life. One of them even called me a asshole for not using my dissabilty. To get on SSI because I told him I wanted to get a job and I offered some people a job they could have by just showing up. But they did not want it. So I say again most people on welfare are lazy parasites.

Right, because your personal experience has brought you into contact with "most people on welfare." Be careful, "all X are Y" is an actionable offense here.

I am just speaking from my personal experience. And I said most not all. But most
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Postby The High Guardians » Mon Dec 30, 2013 4:39 pm

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The High Guardians wrote:
Government cheese doesn't taste very nice :(

I suppose you'll be using my Sacred Tax Dollars to buy smelly gourmet cheese, huh?


Depends on which nation you hail from! I won't be spending dollars on my cheese! I'll be spending my precious pound coins.

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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Dec 30, 2013 4:40 pm

New acardia wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Right, because your personal experience has brought you into contact with "most people on welfare." Be careful, "all X are Y" is an actionable offense here.

I am just speaking from my personal experience. And I said most not all. But most

Okay, so let's have a source that "most" of the large numbers of people on welfare across the United States are "parasites." Take your time but be specific, very specific.
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Postby The yoshin empire » Mon Dec 30, 2013 4:41 pm

The High Guardians wrote:
The yoshin empire wrote:He works for the goverment , by your logic hes living off handouts and goverment cheese , and is a parasite for living of taxdollars


Government cheese doesn't taste very nice :(

*hugs* its ok , you no longer have to live off it , and the cheese is there to strengthen the weak and needy , by giving them the vitamines they need.

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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Dec 30, 2013 4:41 pm

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Farnhamia wrote:I suppose you'll be using my Sacred Tax Dollars to buy smelly gourmet cheese, huh?


Depends on which nation you hail from! I won't be spending dollars on my cheese! I'll be spending my precious pound coins.

Great, converting my foreign aid dollars into effete "pounds." Worse. :p
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Postby New Acardia » Mon Dec 30, 2013 4:42 pm

The yoshin empire wrote:
New acardia wrote:You did something good and I respect you for getting off of welfare.

He works for the goverment , by your logic hes living off handouts and goverment cheese , and is a parasite for living of taxdollars

He or She is putting there life in danger for the good of the country. Which is to be respected.
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