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Postby Nevanmaa » Sun Dec 29, 2013 2:38 pm

Estado Paulista wrote:Yeah, it's not like they meddled within the affairs of countries like Angola, Mozambique, Zimbabwe.

It's not like those countries sheltered terrorist organizations like SWAPO and ANC.

Souseiseki wrote:poor apartheid, a victim of aggressive cultural imperalism. rip.

Apartheid was ended by aggressive cultural imperialism of other countries who thought they knew what was best for South Africa. Their efforts led to terrorist organization ANC gaining power and cultural genocide of Afrikaners. I hope they're happy.

Going a bit offtopic here though.
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Sun Dec 29, 2013 2:42 pm

Nevanmaa wrote:
Estado Paulista wrote:Yeah, it's not like they meddled within the affairs of countries like Angola, Mozambique, Zimbabwe.

It's not like those countries sheltered terrorist organizations like SWAPO and ANC.

Souseiseki wrote:poor apartheid, a victim of aggressive cultural imperalism. rip.

Apartheid was ended by aggressive cultural imperialism of other countries who thought they knew what was best for South Africa. Their efforts led to terrorist organization ANC gaining power and cultural genocide of Afrikaners. I hope they're happy.

Going a bit offtopic here though.

"Hey guys, state sanctioned institutionalized racism and apartheid is part of our culture! You can't tell us to stop our cultural practice of treating blacks as second class citizens, that's cultural imperialism!"
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Postby EUstan » Sun Dec 29, 2013 2:43 pm

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4years wrote:
1. That was before the Russian civil war, which began in 1918.
2. Which were thoroughly debunked a the time.
3. Not really, also fixed.


In all fairness, though, WWI Germany would have had motivation for endorsing the civil war, given that - if it happened earlier - it would have given Germany a bit of a strategic advantage in the Eastern front with Russian forces relocating to internal positions to try and restore order. That would weaken the Russian line and permit German forces to have an easier time penetrating further east.

I don't really have a source for that, though; just speculation on my part.


You are making philosophy from a simple answer.

Lenin was send there by the Germans to sign a peace treaty with them. That was the Brest-Listovsk traty which ended the war between Germany and Russia.

The Germans got a vaste territory on which they planned to create independent nations. Also look the mitteeuropa plan:

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Postby 4years » Sun Dec 29, 2013 2:46 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Nevanmaa wrote:It's not like those countries sheltered terrorist organizations like SWAPO and ANC.


Apartheid was ended by aggressive cultural imperialism of other countries who thought they knew what was best for South Africa. Their efforts led to terrorist organization ANC gaining power and cultural genocide of Afrikaners. I hope they're happy.

Going a bit offtopic here though.

"Hey guys, state sanctioned institutionalized racism and apartheid is part of our culture! You can't tell us to stop our cultural practice of treating blacks as second class citizens, that's cultural imperialism!"


"Never mind that the majority of our citizens are blacks and we don't give a damn about their cultural preferences. Also, when we suppress the efforts of blacks to obtains rights, that's part of our culture to and only your cultural imperialism makes you pretend that the ANC isn't a bunch of filthy terrorists!"
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Postby Estado Paulista » Sun Dec 29, 2013 2:47 pm

Nevanmaa wrote:It's not like those countries sheltered terrorist organizations like SWAPO and ANC.


Regardless, that makes Apartheid South Africa a rogue state. Let's see:

Wikipedia wrote:Rogue state is a controversial term applied by some international theorists to states they consider threatening to the world's peace. This means meeting certain criteria, such as being ruled by authoritarian regimes that severely restrict human rights, sponsor terrorism, and seek to proliferate weapons of mass destruction.


Apartheid South Africa meets all of these criteria, so.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Dec 29, 2013 2:52 pm

Nevanmaa wrote:
Luveria wrote:It often is when dealing with rogue states like apartheid South Africa and North Korea.

South Africa wasn't a rogue state.

It was a peaceful and stable conservative state that was destroyed by aggressive cultural imperialism.


You're funny. You should go on stage somewhere.

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Postby Ephrath » Sun Dec 29, 2013 2:55 pm

Buevallon wrote:Due to the recent actions of Obama shaking the hand of Raul Castro, I was wondering what everyone thought about the necessity of the Cuban Embargo. Does it do more harm than good? should we still wait for a regime change? or should we end the embargo right now? What do y'all think? :)

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Postby Regnum Dominae » Sun Dec 29, 2013 2:57 pm

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Nevanmaa wrote:South Africa wasn't a rogue state.

It was a peaceful and stable conservative state that was destroyed by aggressive cultural imperialism.


You're funny. You should go on stage somewhere.

"Treating blacks as second class citizens and denying them political participation or self determination is our culture!"
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Postby Distruzio » Sun Dec 29, 2013 3:45 pm

Buevallon wrote:Due to the recent actions of Obama shaking the hand of Raul Castro, I was wondering what everyone thought about the necessity of the Cuban Embargo. Does it do more harm than good? should we still wait for a regime change? or should we end the embargo right now? What do y'all think? :)


It, obviously, does more harm than good. I say be rid of it now.
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Postby 4years » Sun Dec 29, 2013 3:46 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
You're funny. You should go on stage somewhere.

"Treating blacks as second class citizens and denying them political participation or self determination is our culture!"


I wonder if he would be willing to extend this protection against cultural imperialism to Castro's Cuba?
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Postby Distruzio » Sun Dec 29, 2013 3:50 pm

Nevanmaa wrote:
Luveria wrote:It often is when dealing with rogue states like apartheid South Africa and North Korea.

South Africa wasn't a rogue state.

It was a peaceful and stable conservative state that was destroyed by aggressive cultural imperialism.


.... would you mind elaborating?
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Postby Geilinor » Sun Dec 29, 2013 4:10 pm

Estado Paulista wrote:
Nevanmaa wrote:It's not like those countries sheltered terrorist organizations like SWAPO and ANC.


Regardless, that makes Apartheid South Africa a rogue state. Let's see:

Wikipedia wrote:Rogue state is a controversial term applied by some international theorists to states they consider threatening to the world's peace. This means meeting certain criteria, such as being ruled by authoritarian regimes that severely restrict human rights, sponsor terrorism, and seek to proliferate weapons of mass destruction.


Apartheid South Africa meets all of these criteria, so.

It was most definitely a rogue state, but Nevanmaa doesn't believe in "cultural imperialist definitions".
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Postby Libertarian California » Sun Dec 29, 2013 10:42 pm

I say we turn Cuba into a theme park.
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Postby YellowApple » Mon Dec 30, 2013 12:15 am

Libertarian California wrote:I say we turn Cuba into a theme park.


CastroLand?

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Postby The Fraticelli Papacy » Mon Dec 30, 2013 12:42 am

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Postby Hallistar » Mon Dec 30, 2013 12:52 am

Nevanmaa wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:poor apartheid, a victim of aggressive cultural imperalism. rip.

Apartheid was ended by aggressive cultural imperialism of other countries who thought they knew what was best for South Africa. Their efforts led to terrorist organization ANC gaining power and cultural genocide of Afrikaners. I hope they're happy.

Going a bit offtopic here though.


Have you ever seen Cry Freedom? You make it seem like apartheid wasn't that bad nor did it permanently affect the country.
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Postby 4years » Mon Dec 30, 2013 7:12 am

The Fraticelli Papacy wrote:As long as any country supports banning religion to any extent, they support letting the civilized world cut themselves off from them.


A good thing that the Cuban constitution was amended in 1992 to allow freedom of religion.
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Postby Luveria » Mon Dec 30, 2013 8:59 am

Libertarian California wrote:I say we turn Cuba into a theme park.


Batista was way ahead of you on that, except he was actively turning Havana into the world's finest tourist, gambling, prostitution, and drug capital of the world.

In other words, thanks to Batista's efforts, Havana was at one time the perfect place for a family vacation.

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Postby Arglorand » Mon Dec 30, 2013 9:00 am

Luveria wrote:
Libertarian California wrote:I say we turn Cuba into a theme park.


Batista was way ahead of you on that, except he was actively turning Havana into the world's finest tourist, gambling, prostitution, and drug capital of the world.

In other words, thanks to Batista's efforts, Havana was at one time the perfect place for a family vacation.

Unless you're Cuban.

In that case it's just the equivalent of a middle school.
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Postby Rio Cana » Mon Dec 30, 2013 1:24 pm

EUstan wrote:
Magna Libero wrote::rofl:

They still have this?

No wonder that the Cuban people are so poor, old-fashioned and detached from the rest of the world.

To be fair. All thoose Spanish speaking countries are like "hurr burr teh ebul rich people r exploiting us. Che is a hero. Ebul imperializt Murrica".

Because of such mindset they will always be poor.


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In what century are you stuck in. Many of the nations South of the US are having good growth. Yes, some more then others but at least it is happening. It seems to be because of globalization. No longer are they tied to US companies who say "take it or leave it" when it comes to imports or exports. Globalization ( yes China, the EU, Japan, SK.,India, Russia and some others) have leveled the playing arena to the dislike of some US companies who tended to dictate to some of those governments South of the US.
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Postby Neuhausen » Mon Dec 30, 2013 1:28 pm

Cuban Embargo is a good thing.

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Postby Libertarian California » Mon Dec 30, 2013 1:29 pm

Luveria wrote:
Libertarian California wrote:I say we turn Cuba into a theme park.


Batista was way ahead of you on that, except he was actively turning Havana into the world's finest tourist, gambling, prostitution, and drug capital of the world.

In other words, thanks to Batista's efforts, Havana was at one time the perfect place for a family vacation.


My grandfather actually gambled in Havana in the 1930s. During the Depression with little to do, you might as well have fun with what little money you have.
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Postby Arglorand » Mon Dec 30, 2013 1:31 pm

Neuhausen wrote:Cuban Embargo is a good thing.

And it gives anyone what, exactly?
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Postby Neuhausen » Mon Dec 30, 2013 1:33 pm

Arglorand wrote:
Neuhausen wrote:Cuban Embargo is a good thing.

And it gives anyone what, exactly?


Cubans have always said that USA is somekind of an evil empire. Let them live without that "evil empire" then.

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Postby Luveria » Mon Dec 30, 2013 1:34 pm

Neuhausen wrote:
Arglorand wrote:And it gives anyone what, exactly?


Cubans have always said that USA is somekind of an evil empire. Let them live without that "evil empire" then.


That must be why so many Cubans immigrate to Florida.

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