Cuban Embargo

[Socialist Tera]

Yes, I did. I will correct myself. The bourgeoisie in Western society exploits the workers through lies as shown above.

In all honestly, that is sometimes the case, the upper class lies to the working class, your point?

A majority of things said by the upper class is a lie to the working class. Things like : "True class equality can never be reached."

[YellowApple]

In all honestly, that is sometimes the case, the upper class lies to the working class, your point?

A majority of things said by the upper class is a lie to the working class. Things like : "True class equality can never be reached."

Well, can it?

[Latin Romania (Ancient)]

That island is trying to copy Chinas economic model. Which is why they are creating that Port Free Trade Zone. This explains what they are doing. Its from Nov. 2013.

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news ... ariel-port

[Lydenburg]

Due to the recent actions of Obama shaking the hand of Raul Castro, I was wondering what everyone thought about the necessity of the Cuban Embargo. Does it do more harm than good? should we still wait for a regime change? or should we end the embargo right now? What do y'all think?

He shook his hand. I thought NSG established at the last thread that it doesn't mean anything.

[Luveria]

Translation:

The working class is too stupid to be entrusted with democracy.

You sure are pro-proletariat when you dismiss them as being too stupid to be allowed to have a say in the political process.

Here's my question to you, Luveria, why do you support democracy when people are stupid enough to say things as "I'm pro choice, I'm against gay marriage, abolish minimum wage etc."?

Yes.

I am not dictatorial like you.

Every country that has legalized same-sex marriage is a democracy. So no shit I'm going to support democracies as those get better results overall for human rights than the dictatorial counterparts you support.

When you can not trust the workers, you can not trust or support the government or the upper class, the only person you can trust in yourself.

"The workers are too stupid to be allowed to have democracy." That is what you're saying. You are not pro-worker. You're anti-worker, because you deny them the right to have a political voice.

The workers can be educated by the establishment of Marxist study groups.

You're using "education" as another word for "indoctrination."

There is something fundamentally wrong with your supposed "pro-worker" regime when it only remains propped up through single-party authoritarianism. It's definitely not for the people if you damn well know your party isn't going to stand a chance if democracy were allowed.

[Socialist Tera]

A majority of things said by the upper class is a lie to the working class. Things like : "True class equality can never be reached."

Well, can it?

It can only be reached through the collaboration of the workers and the proletariant. The establishment of Marxist study groups are vital.

[Regnum Dominae]

Well, can it?

It can only be reached through the collaboration of the workers and the proletariant. The establishment of Marxist study groups are vital.

What if the workers don't want Marxism?

[Luveria]

It can only be reached through the collaboration of the workers and the proletariant. The establishment of Marxist study groups are vital.

What if the workers don't want Marxism?

Off to the gulags.

[Estado Paulista]

It can only be reached through the collaboration of the workers and the proletariant. The establishment of Marxist study groups are vital.

What if the workers don't want Marxism?

We'll educate the shit out of them.

[Aeken]

What if the workers don't want Marxism?

We'll educate the shit out of them.

Aka gulag+execution+labor+brainwashing.

[The Scientific States]

It can only be reached through the collaboration of the workers and the proletariant. The establishment of Marxist study groups are vital.

What if the workers don't want Marxism?

Exactly.

If the workers want Marxism, they can elect a Marxist party in a democracy.

[Luveria]

What if the workers don't want Marxism?

We'll educate the shit out of them.

Re-education through labour!

[Luveria]

What if the workers don't want Marxism?

Exactly.

If the workers want Marxism, they can elect a Marxist party in a democracy.

Hush, the workers are too stupid to elect a Marxist party. Therefore, democracy cannot be allowed, because the working class is too stupid to know what they really want.

[Socialist Tera]

Here's my question to you, Luveria, why do you support democracy when people are stupid enough to say things as "I'm pro choice, I'm against gay marriage, abolish minimum wage etc."?

Yes.

I am not dictatorial like you.

Every country that has legalized same-sex marriage is a democracy. So no shit I'm going to support democracies as those get better results overall for human rights than the dictatorial counterparts you support.

When you can not trust the workers, you can not trust or support the government or the upper class, the only person you can trust in yourself.

"The workers are too stupid to be allowed to have democracy." That is what you're saying. You are not pro-worker. You're anti-worker, because you deny them the right to have a political voice.

The workers can be educated by the establishment of Marxist study groups.

You're using "education" as another word for "indoctrination."

There is something fundamentally wrong with your supposed "pro-worker" regime when it only remains propped up through single-party authoritarianism. It's definitely not for the people if you damn well know your party isn't going to stand a chance if democracy were allowed.

I'm calling straw man right here. If the workers are voting away their own rights to the bourgeoisie, passing away to stupid bills would you let that happen? We need a vanguard to lead the workers through the socialists period where the state and companies will be demolished. The use of Study circles is used in many nations today. The only dictatorship I support is Cuba.

[4years]

Luveria, I am going to have to stand with you on this one: 'Socialist' Tera forgets that democracy is a fundamental tenant of Marxism and communism and ignores that socialism without democracy is patently ridiculous. As Marx asserted, "democracy is the road to socialism." Democracy is the only legitimate form of government in the eyes of a Marxist who recalls that "All forms of the state have democracy for their truth, and for that reason are false to the extent that they are not democracy." (Karl Marx, Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Right). The any revision, no perversion not revision, of Marxism that rejects democracy miss the entire message of Marx and Engels and is a slap on the face to any actual Marxist.

[The Scientific States]

Yes.

I am not dictatorial like you.

Every country that has legalized same-sex marriage is a democracy. So no shit I'm going to support democracies as those get better results overall for human rights than the dictatorial counterparts you support.



"The workers are too stupid to be allowed to have democracy." That is what you're saying. You are not pro-worker. You're anti-worker, because you deny them the right to have a political voice.



You're using "education" as another word for "indoctrination."

There is something fundamentally wrong with your supposed "pro-worker" regime when it only remains propped up through single-party authoritarianism. It's definitely not for the people if you damn well know your party isn't going to stand a chance if democracy were allowed.

I'm calling straw man right here. If the workers are voting away their own rights to the bourgeoisie, passing away to stupid bills would you let that happen? We need a vanguard to lead the workers through the socialists period where the state and companies will be demolished. The use of Study circles is used in many nations today. The only dictatorship I support is Cuba.

What if the workers don't want Marxism? This question has been asked many times, you believe that Marxism makes the workers happy, but should you use force to do this, even if many workers are opposed?

If you're acting in the interests of the worker, wouldn't you want to enact what they want?

[Socialist Tera]

What if the workers don't want Marxism?

Exactly.

If the workers want Marxism, they can elect a Marxist party in a democracy.

What's the hope of it when they are basically taught since birth to be anti-communist?

[Socialist Tera]

Luveria, I am going to have to stand with you on this one: 'Socialist' Tera forgets that democracy is a fundamental tenant of Marxism and communism and ignores that socialism without democracy is patently ridiculous. As Marx asserted, "democracy is the road to socialism." Democracy is the only legitimate form of government in the eyes of a Marxist who recalls that "All forms of the state have democracy for their truth, and for that reason are false to the extent that they are not democracy." (Karl Marx, Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Right). The any revision, no perversion not revision, of Marxism that rejects democracy miss the entire message of Marx and Engels and is a slap on the face to any actual Marxist.

So, you just called Stalin, not a communist.

[The Scientific States]

Luveria, I am going to have to stand with you on this one: 'Socialist' Tera forgets that democracy is a fundamental tenant of Marxism and communism and ignores that socialism without democracy is patently ridiculous. As Marx asserted, "democracy is the road to socialism." Democracy is the only legitimate form of government in the eyes of a Marxist who recalls that "All forms of the state have democracy for their truth, and for that reason are false to the extent that they are not democracy." (Karl Marx, Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Right). The any revision, no perversion not revision, of Marxism that rejects democracy miss the entire message of Marx and Engels and is a slap on the face to any actual Marxist.

So, you just called Stalin, not a communist.

He wasn't a communist, he was a Marxist-Leninist, which is not a real communist ideology.

If anything he was more of a fascist then a communist.

[Luveria]

Yes.

I am not dictatorial like you.

Every country that has legalized same-sex marriage is a democracy. So no shit I'm going to support democracies as those get better results overall for human rights than the dictatorial counterparts you support.



"The workers are too stupid to be allowed to have democracy." That is what you're saying. You are not pro-worker. You're anti-worker, because you deny them the right to have a political voice.



You're using "education" as another word for "indoctrination."

There is something fundamentally wrong with your supposed "pro-worker" regime when it only remains propped up through single-party authoritarianism. It's definitely not for the people if you damn well know your party isn't going to stand a chance if democracy were allowed.

I'm calling straw man right here. If the workers are voting away their own rights to the bourgeoisie, passing away to stupid bills would you let that happen?

Yes.

We need a vanguard to lead the workers through the socialists period where the state and companies will be demolished.

No, you're anti-worker because you are anti-democracy. You are the one taking their rights away by denying them the right to vote as they wish to.

Secondly, you're replacing a mixed economy with state-capitalism. You swap one form of oppression with another.

The use of Study circles is used in many nations today.

I'd rather not. Let people think what they want without indoctrinating "educating" them.

The only dictatorship I support is Cuba.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Cuba

Funny you say that when you mentioned same-sex marriage earlier...

Cuba does not have same-sex marriage legal. The evil USA does. Try again.

[Estado Paulista]

Luveria, I am going to have to stand with you on this one: 'Socialist' Tera forgets that democracy is a fundamental tenant of Marxism and communism and ignores that socialism without democracy is patently ridiculous. As Marx asserted, "democracy is the road to socialism." Democracy is the only legitimate form of government in the eyes of a Marxist who recalls that "All forms of the state have democracy for their truth, and for that reason are false to the extent that they are not democracy." (Karl Marx, Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Right). The any revision, no perversion not revision, of Marxism that rejects democracy miss the entire message of Marx and Engels and is a slap on the face to any actual Marxist.

So, you just called Stalin, not a communist.

He wasn't a communist.

[Socialist Tera]

I'm calling straw man right here. If the workers are voting away their own rights to the bourgeoisie, passing away to stupid bills would you let that happen? We need a vanguard to lead the workers through the socialists period where the state and companies will be demolished. The use of Study circles is used in many nations today. The only dictatorship I support is Cuba.

What if the workers don't want Marxism? This question has been asked many times, you believe that Marxism makes the workers happy, but should you use force to do this, even if many workers are opposed?

If you're acting in the interests of the worker, wouldn't you want to enact what they want?

In a nutshell: http://www.marxists.org/reference/archi ... /01/01.htm

[4years]

Luveria, I am going to have to stand with you on this one: 'Socialist' Tera forgets that democracy is a fundamental tenant of Marxism and communism and ignores that socialism without democracy is patently ridiculous. As Marx asserted, "democracy is the road to socialism." Democracy is the only legitimate form of government in the eyes of a Marxist who recalls that "All forms of the state have democracy for their truth, and for that reason are false to the extent that they are not democracy." (Karl Marx, Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Right). The any revision, no perversion not revision, of Marxism that rejects democracy miss the entire message of Marx and Engels and is a slap on the face to any actual Marxist.

So, you just called Stalin, not a communist.

Stalinism and Marxism aren't the same thing. I can keep sourcing that forever, if you want me to.

[Socialist Tera]

So, you just called Stalin, not a communist.

He wasn't a communist.

Read the Essentialist Stalin .

[Socialist Tera]

So, you just called Stalin, not a communist.

Stalinism and Marxism aren't the same thing. I can keep sourcing that forever, if you want me to.

I am an Orthodox Marxist-Leninist not a pure marxist.