David Cameron's filters more than needed.

[Tlik]

Please don't confuse anti-porn with pro-religion.

Most of this is about straight porn.

Is straight porn substantially different from any other type of porn?

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

Is straight porn substantially different from any other type of porn?

As a long-term watcher of straight porn (9 years) and gay porn (6 years), well, on a fundamental level. Just to start with, when gay porn is kinky, it is not necessarily mean (au contraire, it tends to be represented as a fun and non-denigrating thing for all parties involved, unlike straight porn that tends to paint women into kinkier things as dirty sluts or whatever). When it's mean, it's not necessarily kinkier in the other activities involved.

Also it's not going to help to foster such bad attitudes about sex if you're thinking of the same sex/gender of you that you naturally have a far greater bodily understanding of.

There isn't any absurd in it that you won't find tons of gay guys doing in real life, and quite frankly, the known actors don't look to be all that bad. Male prostitution as a last resort or form of survival isn't all that common. Lots of people tend to pick from which producers they will consume and pay for because of their standards, and the public is way more empathetic about problematic situations.

It seems to be not so good for trans* people, but I never saw reports of them suffering the problems reported for straight actresses.

And even the "awwww poor women" slant of anti-porn arguments that is focused on straight porn is biased. Did anyone ever pay attention to how ciswomen earn much, much more than the men in their niche? Criminalizing pornography is a dumb thing and bad for the standards of the business, I bet with appropriate legislation much less of the disgusting objectifying and humiliation associated with taking a receptive sexual role for straight men (always portrayed as the kind of guy people idealize as a powerful macho; in gay porn, you see much more average guys) would take place. Surely feeding the sex-negative sentiment of all this anti-porn advocacy won't help change things for better, even because it is produced in the whole world rather than just the United States.

[Iritrium]

Several questions about these filters:
1) Are these filters mandatory?
2) What happens after the next elections, would they get removed by the new party?
3) Why?

[Tagmatium]

3) Why?

That one's easy enough to answer:

"Oh, please, won't someone think of the children!?"

[The UK in Exile]

Several questions about these filters:
1) Are these filters mandatory?
2) What happens after the next elections, would they get removed by the new party?
3) Why?

1) no.
2) the filters where enacted voluntarily by private industry. In theory there is nothing to stop ISP's removing them now, or indeed after the next election.
3) " But the way I see it, there is a contract between parents and the state. Parents say, ‘Look, we’ll do our best to raise our children right and the state should agree to stand on our side, to make that job a bit easier not a bit harder."

"Now, if adults don’t want these filters that is their decision, but for the many parents who would like to be prompted or reminded, they’ll get that reminder and they’ll be shown very clearly how to put on family friendly filters."

[Wikipedia and Universe]

What was Labour's take on the filters? Are they against them, did they roll over, or no comment?

Mumbled for a bit then backed it (pushed by Corbyn and Harman).

Not much really apart from that - they support it but have kept out of the news about it.

Is there any non-obscure party that opposes the filters? If there's any truth to the ex culo statistic that 95% of people wank and the other 5% are lying, you'd think opposing the filters would be a populist position. Of course, the public perception of people who come out against anti-porn or other "suppression of vice" legislation is that they're against "the children" or similar. Of course, people in the United States have long been able to defend such materials while avoiding accusations of being children-hating perverts (at least in theory), by making their arguments on First Amendment grounds, the typical refrain being "I'm not a huge fan of porn, either, but this is an issue of free speech!" Even though I'm not sure of the UK has an equivalent of the First Amendment, I'm sure the people value the concept of freedom of speech and expression.

[The UK in Exile]

Mumbled for a bit then backed it (pushed by Corbyn and Harman).

Not much really apart from that - they support it but have kept out of the news about it.

Is there any non-obscure party that opposes the filters? If there's any truth to the ex culo statistic that 95% of people wank and the other 5% are lying, you'd think opposing the filters would be a populist position. Of course, the public perception of people who come out against anti-porn or other "suppression of vice" legislation is that they're against "the children" or similar. Of course, people in the United States have long been able to defend such materials while avoiding accusations of being children-hating perverts (at least in theory), by making their arguments on First Amendment grounds, the typical refrain being "I'm not a huge fan of porn, either, but this is an issue of free speech!" Even though I'm not sure of the UK has an equivalent of the First Amendment, I'm sure the people value the concept of freedom of speech and expression.

The issue is that this is not an issue of free speech. People are still entitled to produce any content that is covered by the filter that is not outright illegal and people with an internet connection are still entitled to access it.

[Voltrovia]

How the hell did he got elected?Is it because everyone got "bored" of labourists?

A combination of conservatism and voter apathy. The same way the Conservatives get elected in Canada.

As a Briton with Canadian family I'm inclined to disagree with you - the UK situation revolves around the (I'm centre right, not Old Labour, just to say) misinterpretation of Mrs Thatcher's legacy as the new middle ground and New Labour having sent the country down the toilet.

In Canada, it's low taxes (new right economics a la Hayek) and competence (the opposition is a disgrace to governance) that are the only reasons why Harper scrapes through every time.

There is a good (funny) video of Justin Trudeau being told that the problem with Canada today is that all that matters is who your father was.

[Voltrovia]

Mumbled for a bit then backed it (pushed by Corbyn and Harman).

Not much really apart from that - they support it but have kept out of the news about it.

Is there any non-obscure party that opposes the filters? If there's any truth to the ex culo statistic that 95% of people wank and the other 5% are lying, you'd think opposing the filters would be a populist position. Of course, the public perception of people who come out against anti-porn or other "suppression of vice" legislation is that they're against "the children" or similar. Of course, people in the United States have long been able to defend such materials while avoiding accusations of being children-hating perverts (at least in theory), by making their arguments on First Amendment grounds, the typical refrain being "I'm not a huge fan of porn, either, but this is an issue of free speech!" Even though I'm not sure of the UK has an equivalent of the First Amendment, I'm sure the people value the concept of freedom of speech and expression.

Unlike the American constitutional genesis (interesting turn of phrase) we have in fact not got a constitution per se - despite Lib Dem meddling the closest thing to a constitution is Magna Carta, virtually all of which has been replaced of repealed for more effective legislation or the truly organic Protocol!

Apart from a few free-speechers on all sides there are no main parties showing resistance.

Will it be an election issue? No one in the country considers it a key issue and the main parties won't even mention it.

While I think it reeks of poor implementation and design people can either get goawaycameron or even better OPT-OUT.

[Wikipedia and Universe]

I'm getting some mixed messages about these filters. I know they're opt-out, but is the default filter mandated by government regulations or legislation, or is it a voluntary measure on the part of private ISPs? If it was ultimately done by the ISPs voluntarily, are there government-initiated incentives pressuring them to do it? What forces were at work in getting these filters proposed in the first place? Was it something Cameron thought up one day, or was there some event or other catalyst which inspired it?

[Tlik]

I'm getting some mixed messages about these filters. I know they're opt-out, but is the default filter mandated by government regulations or legislation, or is it a voluntary measure on the part of private ISPs? If it was ultimately done by the ISPs voluntarily, are there government-initiated incentives pressuring them to do it? What forces were at work in getting these filters proposed in the first place? Was it something Cameron thought up one day, or was there some event or other catalyst which inspired it?

This explains it all significantly better than I could (but I'll try anyway). Essentially, the government has asked all ISPs to force new customers to decide whether they want to allow filtering or not. In pretty much all cases, this will mean just putting up a splash screen whenever a new user connects, and having the "use filter" box ticked by default. Eventually this will be rolled out to existing customers as well. From what I can tell, it seems to be largely voluntary by the ISP (who have been in discussions about similar proposals for a while now) with the government mainly pushing for the "opt-out" (such as it is) part.

[Luveria]

A combination of conservatism and voter apathy. The same way the Conservatives get elected in Canada.

As a Briton with Canadian family I'm inclined to disagree with you - the UK situation revolves around the (I'm centre right, not Old Labour, just to say) misinterpretation of Mrs Thatcher's legacy as the new middle ground and New Labour having sent the country down the toilet.

That does seem different, but it seems the situation is similar to an extent, in a way. By that I mean voter apathy is likely a significant factor because people who would be voting against the Tories have lost faith in the oppposition.

In Canada, it's low taxes (new right economics a la Hayek) and competence (the opposition is a disgrace to governance) that are the only reasons why Harper scrapes through every time.

I very much dislike Harper for his stance on social issues such as his hostility to increasing LGBT rights (the Conservatives killing every transgender rights bill that comes up), among other reasons, but I am aware Canada hasn't been any experiencing any economic problems under his governance. It's similar to how many people in Russia despise Putin for his social stances but know his economics are beneficial.

There is a good (funny) video of Justin Trudeau being told that the problem with Canada today is that all that matters is who your father was.

I don't disagree. I would possibly prefer Canada evolved into a two-party dominant system so that the Right didn't have one party while the Left is split between two parties. The Liberals are so ruined that the NDP may as well replace them entirely.

[Luveria]

Most of this is about straight porn.

Is straight porn substantially different from any other type of porn?

No. Unless you mean mainstream commercial heterosexual porn intended for straight men. Other than that, no.

[Voltrovia]

As a Briton with Canadian family I'm inclined to disagree with you - the UK situation revolves around the (I'm centre right, not Old Labour, just to say) misinterpretation of Mrs Thatcher's legacy as the new middle ground and New Labour having sent the country down the toilet.

That does seem different, but it seems the situation is similar to an extent, in a way. By that I mean voter apathy is likely a significant factor because people who would be voting against the Tories have lost faith in the oppposition.

I agree but it is not so much voter apathy as the almost total division of votes by class and huge mistrust by politicians - I thought you were referencing the Canadian (and old British, if you like the left of the Labour Party) problem of people voting for the incumbent of of indifference or mistrust of the opposition. The present UK problem is one of people simply not turning up to vote at all - making governments both more unstable seat-wise and less representative as a whole (the latter being a secondary condition anyway nowadays).

Very few people with political awareness identify with Miliband though. He isn't Kinnock/Justin Trudeau though.

In Canada, it's low taxes (new right economics a la Hayek) and competence (the opposition is a disgrace to governance) that are the only reasons why Harper scrapes through every time.

I very much dislike Harper for his stance on social issues such as his hostility to increasing LGBT rights (the Conservatives killing every transgender rights bill that comes up), among other reasons, but I am aware Canada hasn't been any experiencing any economic problems under his governance. It's similar to how many people in Russia despise Putin for his social stances but know his economics are beneficial.

Harper's hard-right 'reform' stance makes for a very 'mean' government. 'Mean' governments vs National Crisis = Very good results. 'Mean' governments vs We're fine thanks = Carnage

There is a good (funny) video of Justin Trudeau being told that the problem with Canada today is that all that matters is who your father was.

I don't disagree. I would possibly prefer Canada evolved into a two-party dominant system so that the Right didn't have one party while the Left is split between two parties. The Liberals are so ruined that the NDP may as well replace them entirely.

The NDP, having unfortunately been a one-man party for so long, is a little disorganised, but better that their more realistic policy brand is developed further (with which I don't entirely agree) than the incoherent set up that the Liberal Party wields is brought into electoral battle with Harper.

[Ravenflight]

Thank you for your view NS

[Luveria]

That does seem different, but it seems the situation is similar to an extent, in a way. By that I mean voter apathy is likely a significant factor because people who would be voting against the Tories have lost faith in the oppposition.

I agree but it is not so much voter apathy as the almost total division of votes by class and huge mistrust by politicians - I thought you were referencing the Canadian (and old British, if you like the left of the Labour Party) problem of people voting for the incumbent of of indifference or mistrust of the opposition. The present UK problem is one of people simply not turning up to vote at all - making governments both more unstable seat-wise and less representative as a whole (the latter being a secondary condition anyway nowadays).

Very few people with political awareness identify with Miliband though. He isn't Kinnock/Justin Trudeau though.



I very much dislike Harper for his stance on social issues such as his hostility to increasing LGBT rights (the Conservatives killing every transgender rights bill that comes up), among other reasons, but I am aware Canada hasn't been any experiencing any economic problems under his governance. It's similar to how many people in Russia despise Putin for his social stances but know his economics are beneficial.

Harper's hard-right 'reform' stance makes for a very 'mean' government. 'Mean' governments vs National Crisis = Very good results. 'Mean' governments vs We're fine thanks = Carnage



I don't disagree. I would possibly prefer Canada evolved into a two-party dominant system so that the Right didn't have one party while the Left is split between two parties. The Liberals are so ruined that the NDP may as well replace them entirely.

The NDP, having unfortunately been a one-man party for so long, is a little disorganised, but better that their more realistic policy brand is developed further (with which I don't entirely agree) than the incoherent set up that the Liberal Party wields is brought into electoral battle with Harper.

You broke the quote. I didn't say those those things.

[Voltrovia]

I did, silly me...

Sorry to bump

[Ravenflight]

Just thought of something. I know this has pretty muched finished but HBO and stuff like Sky Atlantic would be finished right? I mean things like Game of Thrones would be.

[The UK in Exile]

Just thought of something. I know this has pretty muched finished but HBO and stuff like Sky Atlantic would be finished right? I mean things like Game of Thrones would be.

Why would a set of entirely optional filters do anything?

[Voltrovia]

This isn't an all out censorship program - it is a half-baked stab at the 'dark net' to appease isolated sections of the backbenches. I am told that the ISP blockers are buggy anyway. It is hardly the Enabling Act, TV and the Internet aren't going to be shut down.

This thread is dead unfortunately. Good Day.

[Ravenflight]

HAIL SUPREME FEARLESS COMRADE LEADER CHAIRMAN DAVE, HERO OF THE FREE DEMOCRATIC PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF GREAT CAMERONLAND, VANQUISHER OF PORN, SLAYER OF THE IMMORAL, PREVENTER OF ALL WANKING, DESTROYER OF THE DISGUSTING CONCEPT KNOWN AS "FREEDOM", AND SOMETHING ELSE FUNNY HERE. MAY HE SMITE THE EVIL PORNHUB SATAN WITH HIS MIGHTY SWORD OF JUSTICE!!! THAT GOES FOR YOU TOO, REDTUBE!!! HAIL DAVE! HAIL DAVE! HAIL COMRADE DAVE!!!

I know this grave digging but fucker of pigs

[SUNTHREIT]

-sorry, wrong thread-

[Kraylandia]

HAIL SUPREME FEARLESS COMRADE LEADER CHAIRMAN DAVE, HERO OF THE FREE DEMOCRATIC PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF GREAT CAMERONLAND, VANQUISHER OF PORN, SLAYER OF THE IMMORAL, PREVENTER OF ALL WANKING, DESTROYER OF THE DISGUSTING CONCEPT KNOWN AS "FREEDOM", AND SOMETHING ELSE FUNNY HERE. MAY HE SMITE THE EVIL PORNHUB SATAN WITH HIS MIGHTY SWORD OF JUSTICE!!! THAT GOES FOR YOU TOO, REDTUBE!!! HAIL DAVE! HAIL DAVE! HAIL COMRADE DAVE!!!

I know this grave digging but fucker of pigs

It's nice you at least know what you're doing, but it doesn't mean you should do it. *nods*