Monarchist Discussion Thread

[Old Tyrannia]

If I may ask, what exactly are the distinctions between monarchy and a dictatorship?

I mean, the ideological foundations and justifications are different, but functionally, they are the same.

An unaccountable leader, supposedly kept in check from corruption by the threat of revolution.

Am I missing something?

A monarchy is a legitimate and permanent institution, whereas a dictatorship generally exists in violation of the country's laws/constitution/etc., or may be established under emergency protocols as the dictators of ancient Rome were. The difference is important as a monarch is restricted by the country's laws and traditions, and can be held in check by other institutions of the state; whereas a dictatorship is essentially able to do as it pleases, lacking any sort of restrictions. Few monarchs have ever held the same sort of power leaders such as Stalin, Hitler and even Mugabe have. Those that have could probably be considered dictators rather than true "monarchs," like how President al-Assad is the "elected President" of Syria.

[United British Union]

The Social classes are, in my view:

Lower Class
Middle Class
Upper Class
Ruling Class (Monarchy,)

I know that many do not agree with the Upper Class ruling over the nation, as so the Monarchy is often used above it.

[Vazdania]

While there is quite frankly no distinction between absolute monarchy and dictatorship, there are plenty of distinctions between constitutional and Constitutional Executive Monarchies.....That is The monarch is limited in power.

Not at all.

The leader is highly accountable in Constitutional and Constitutional Executive Monarchy.

The very idea that an unelected leader is accountable seems, to me, a preposterous idea.

Granted, an elected leader I still find somewhat unaccountable.
But less so than a King.

That would logically entail you not thinking the Supreme Court of the United States is accountable....

Just because a leader is not elected DOES NOT mean they don't have watchdogs.

[The New Lowlands]

Having people become at least celebrities and at most rulers of the land on basis of their family of birth, as well as saying that a person is more capable of ruling over people than the people are of ruling over themselves because of said persons bloodline rings heavily of elitism to me.

Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance - H.L. Mencken

Democracy is the belief that over half the people will be right over half the time.

In addition, that statement doesn't necessarily advocate monarchy.

Because it is the only righteous form of governing a people.

And due to tradition.

That's a terrible reason.

[Megyaroszag]

I support a parliamentary monarchy. And I would be entirely okay with Habsburg Károly taking the throne of Hungary.

[Frihetskommunen]

Bring back the Batavian Republic. Also, guillotines.

But seriously, why support a monarchy?

Because it is the only righteous form of governing a people.

That is a horrible argument. You could literally say that about any form of government if a person believes so.

- "Why support dictatorship?"
- "Because it is the only righteous form of governing a people."

- "Why support anarchism?"
- "Because it is the only righteous form of governing a people."

You see? If your argument can apply to any position, it is a bad argument.

[Regnum Dominae]

Monarchy is an outdated system, a relic, that does not belong in the modern 21st-century world.

[Vazdania]

Because it is the only righteous form of governing a people.

And not democracy?

Democracy died in Greece.

[Jimanistan]

In command? No. They simply act as the executive branch.

Now we're just arguing semantics. An executive orders or 'commands' things to be done, by virtue of the authority of their post. The exact nature of this authority deepening upon the constitution, charter, or legal tradition in question.

[The Kingdom Historia]

The Social classes are, in my view:

Lower Class
Middle Class
Upper Class
Ruling Class (Monarchy,)

I know that many do not agree with the Upper Class ruling over the nation, as so the Monarchy is often used above it.

Because of wealth in my nation there are no classes and royalty can marry any one

[The New Lowlands]

And not democracy?

Democracy died in Greece.

No.

[Old Tyrannia]

Monarchy is an outdated system, a relic, that does not belong in the modern 21st-century world.

Republicans always say this as if it constitutes a valid argument in itself, and yet most get annoyed when monarchists state tradition as a reason to retain the monarchy.

[Vazdania]

In command? No. They simply act as the executive branch.

Now we're just arguing semantics. An executive orders or 'commands' things to be done, by virtue of the authority of their post. The exact nature of this authority deepening upon the constitution, charter, or legal tradition in question.

The executive branch does not command by virtue of its own authority, it does by virtue of its authority, enforce.

[The New Lowlands]

Monarchy is an outdated system, a relic, that does not belong in the modern 21st-century world.

Republicans always say this as if it constitutes a valid argument in itself, and yet most get annoyed when monarchists state tradition as a reason to retain the monarchy.

Yeah, it's called consistency.

[Vazdania]

Democracy died in Greece.

No.

Yes.

[Blasveck]

The very idea that an unelected leader is accountable seems, to me, a preposterous idea.

Granted, an elected leader I still find somewhat unaccountable.
But less so than a King.

That would logically entail you not thinking the Supreme Court of the United States is accountable....

Just because a leader is not elected DOES NOT mean they don't have watchdogs.

A court does not a leader make.

[The New Lowlands]

No.

Yes.

Prove it.

[The Kingdom Historia]

Democracy died in Greece.

No.

It sort of did but they can't seem to find a political system and stay with it

[Vazdania]

Monarchy is an outdated system, a relic, that does not belong in the modern 21st-century world.

Nonsense. Monarchy is not outdated, and it very much has a place in this, the 21st century.

[Frihetskommunen]

Having people become at least celebrities and at most rulers of the land on basis of their family of birth, as well as saying that a person is more capable of ruling over people than the people are of ruling over themselves because of said persons bloodline rings heavily of elitism to me.

Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance - H.L. Mencken

As far as I know Mencken said that about REPRESENTATIVE democracy, and regarding that I would agree. This doesn't apply as much to direct democracy on a communal level though, as "collective wisdom" could only affect the people from which that wisdom originates.

[Vazdania]

Yes.

Prove it.

I'm sorry, but I don't see a system of government today that works as democracy. I see many republics....but no democracies.

[Dangelia]

Monarchy is an outdated system, a relic, that does not belong in the modern 21st-century world.

UK, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Liechtenstein, Belgium, Spain....

[Vazdania]

Monarchy is an outdated system, a relic, that does not belong in the modern 21st-century world.

UK, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Liechtenstein, Belgium, Spain....

oh Liechtenstein......its so adorable.

[Old Tyrannia]

Republicans always say this as if it constitutes a valid argument in itself, and yet most get annoyed when monarchists state tradition as a reason to retain the monarchy.

Yeah, it's called consistency.

Maybe, but it still makes no sense. Somehow, monarchy being inherently bad just because it is old is a good argument, but monarchy being inherently good because it is old is a poor argument. Any logical person can see that both these arguments are foolish, but in my experience, republicans always call up monarchists when they use the latter yet act puzzled when they use the former and monarchists point out their hypocrisy.

[Dangelia]

UK, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Liechtenstein, Belgium, Spain....

oh Liechtenstein......its so adorable.

Every monarchist is drooling when they hear Liechtenstein!