Monarchist Discussion Thread

[Dangelia]

I support Executive Constitutional Monarchy, I am just indifferent towards the hereditary principle. If it was a Meritocratic Hereditary Monarchy that would be a good idea.
Equally a Meritocratic Executive Constitutional Monarchy would also be a good idea.

Hereditary Monarchy is a good thing

Yeah, I mean, come on. The heir apparent is taught how to lead a nation from the beginning. He should be well equipped to lead a nation.

[Vazdania]

This is out of character.....

How so

General Forum (the one we are on) Is out of character.....that means you don't talk about your country....you actually have to talk about your own ideas.

[Vazdania]

Hereditary Monarchy is a good thing

Yeah, I mean, come on. The heir apparent is taught how to lead a nation from the beginning. He should be well equipped to lead a nation.

Exactly.

[The Kingdom Historia]

I am a republican rather than a monarchist, and I see monarchism as elitist and undemocratic. Can I ask, what draws you guys to monarchism? Is it national pride and heritage and culture?

For me its you can have a leader who helps culturally and economic ways but in the modern world doesn't make laws

[Trolldonia]

Yeah, I mean, come on. The heir apparent is taught how to lead a nation from the beginning. He should be well equipped to lead a nation.

Emphasis on "SHOULD BE".

[Agritum]

I am a republican rather than a monarchist, and I see monarchism as elitist and undemocratic. Can I ask, what draws you guys to monarchism? Is it national pride and heritage and culture?

I believe it's that, sometimes coupled with religious justifications, a perceived major efficience of monarchy in comparison to other forms of government, and a disdain for democracy (duh)

[Jimanistan]

I am a republican, and find the notion of monarchy offensive and contrary to basic egalitarianism. Be that as it may, I must confess a certain admiration for Napoleon Bonaparte. Seldom is born so skilled a commander and so unabashed a self-promoter.

[The Kingdom Historia]

How so

General Forum (the one we are on) Is out of character.....that means you don't talk about your country....you actually have to talk about your own ideas.

Those are my ideas though

[Vazdania]

I am a republican rather than a monarchist, and I see monarchism as elitist and undemocratic. Can I ask, what draws you guys to monarchism? Is it national pride and heritage and culture?

How is Monarchy inherently opposed to democracy? Just because you have a non elected Executive doesn't mean you can't have elected law makers.

Monarchism ensures that parties do not grapple for executive power. Monarchism ensures that law making bodies and parties stay in the legislative body. Monarchism ensures that the Executive Branch remains competent and free from the mundane struggles of power associated with either the modern parliamentary or Congressional systems...

[Dangelia]

I am a republican rather than a monarchist, and I see monarchism as elitist and undemocratic. Can I ask, what draws you guys to monarchism? Is it national pride and heritage and culture?

In an executive constitutional monarchy it's almost like a good blend between monarchism and republicanism.

[Olivaero]

I am a republican rather than a monarchist, and I see monarchism as elitist and undemocratic. Can I ask, what draws you guys to monarchism? Is it national pride and heritage and culture?

It's culturally significant to me. I see the ownership of large amounts of capital to be un-democratic so, I see the abolishment of one without the abolishment of the other to be a half measure and I feel it would open up the head of state to be more open to influence from private interests. From my point of view at least the Monarchy (of the UK) is under intense media scrutiny whilst with the private individuals that pay for the campaign of a hypothetical president there is no such guarantee.

[Vazdania]

I am a republican, and find the notion of monarchy offensive and contrary to basic egalitarianism. Be that as it may, I must confess a certain admiration for Napoleon Bonaparte. Seldom is born so skilled a commander and so unabashed a self-promoter.

True egalitarianism is nothing but a pipe dream. But aside from that, A monarchy does not inherently promote classism or the stratification of classes.

[DrakoLand]

Hereditary Monarchy is a good thing

Yeah, I mean, come on. The heir apparent is taught how to lead a nation from the beginning. He should be well equipped to lead a nation.

Cause historically, all heirs were competent. ALL OF THEM! /sarcasm.

[Jimanistan]

True egalitarianism is nothing but a pipe dream. But aside from that, A monarchy does not inherently promote classism or the stratification of classes.

Equality is an ideal, of course- I never denied it. But I would argue that a monarchy would have to promote a class structure, or else a monarchy would lose the only thing that definitely separates it from a republic- a nobleman with a crown on his head.

[Vazdania]

True egalitarianism is nothing but a pipe dream. But aside from that, A monarchy does not inherently promote classism or the stratification of classes.

Equality is an ideal, of course- I never denied it. But I would argue that a monarchy would have to promote a class structure, or else a monarchy would lose the only thing that definitely separates it from a republic- a nobleman with a crown on his head.

You must be applying European concepts of Monarchy to Monarchy.

A monarch is not inherently any better or worse than anybody else.

[Estado Paulista]

Do you support...?

A presidential republic.

[Dangelia]

True egalitarianism is nothing but a pipe dream. But aside from that, A monarchy does not inherently promote classism or the stratification of classes.

Equality is an ideal, of course- I never denied it. But I would argue that a monarchy would have to promote a class structure, or else a monarchy would lose the only thing that definitely separates it from a republic- a nobleman with a crown on his head.

But doesn't capitalism do the same.

[Jimanistan]

You must be applying European Monarchy to Monarchy.

A monarch is not inherently any better or worse than anybody else.

To which kind of monarchy are you referring, then? I would be interested in learning about some kind of non-hierarchical kingship.

[Old Tyrannia]

I am a republican rather than a monarchist, and I see monarchism as elitist and undemocratic. Can I ask, what draws you guys to monarchism? Is it national pride and heritage and culture?

Partially. It's also because I believe a hereditary head of state provides stability by balancing the elected legislature and head of government, thus preventing tyranny by majority and the establishment of an "elective dictatorship" by the political class. Additionally, I believe in rule of law and that the traditional government of a nation is the only legitimate one, being founded on the customs and laws of the nation originating in time immemorial. Overthrowing the traditional form of government of a nation is essentially establishing the idea of might over right and setting the precedent that law is made by the strongest force, rather than the legitimate authority. Such a mindset breeds instability and lays the ground for future wars and conflict. Not to mention the benefits of having a head of state who is essentially independent of any one social group or influence, is groomed from birth to serve as monarch, and rules for decades rather than years, providing stability and continuity. In a monarchy, even before the monarch comes to power he or she is well known by the population, so there is a sense of comfortable certainty that elected head of states cannot provide. And unlike politicians whose goals and views are short-term, the monarch sees in the long term, as he or she wishes to secure the long-term good of the country for his or her successors.

[The Kingdom Historia]

Any leader who can admit that they are not perfect and their system is not perfect to is a truthful politician. A monarchy can be a wonderful thing when the monarch is forward on the wrongs of the system

[Jimanistan]

But doesn't capitalism do the same.

Economically, yes.

[United British Union]

As a person born and raised by a patriotic family and governess, I must say that I am a keen follower of the Monarchy.
I believe in a Constitutional Monarchy, but one where the Royal Family does have more power over the nation than the government itself has.

[Frihetskommunen]

I personally feel like a ceremonial monarchy is unnecessary and pretty much every other form is undesirable on grounds of its anti-democratic nature and inherent elitism. Having a figure rule over the populace on the basis of his/her family of birth is to me not far from a dictatorship. I prefer that people have the ability to rule over themselves.

[Vazdania]

You must be applying European Monarchy to Monarchy.

A monarch is not inherently any better or worse than anybody else.

To which kind of monarchy are you referring to, then? I would be interested in learning about some kind of non-hierarchical kingship.

Definition: A monarchy is a form of government in which sovereignty is actually or nominally embodied in a single individual (the monarch).

While in the past the Monarch has been granted extraordinary power and wealth compared to today's leaders, Monarchy does not inherently force stratified hierarchy upon its governance

[Vazdania]

I personally feel like a ceremonial monarchy is unnecessary and pretty much every other form is undesirable on grounds of its anti-democratic nature and inherent elitism. Having a figure rule over the populace on the basis of his/her family of birth is to me not far from a dictatorship. I prefer that people have the ability to rule over themselves.

There is no inherent elitism in monarchy.