Why do you think the Lower-Classes Act More Informal?

[Estado Paulista]

He's reading comprehension is pretty bad for a member of the British elite.

*His*reading comprehension is pretty bad for a member of the British elite.
Oh the irony.

Damnit. I didn't even realize it.

[Vazdania]

/....we need a change in the welfare and unemployment system....

Aren't you always advocating abolishing welfare entirely to motivate the unemployed to get jobs even if there is a market shortage of jobs?

I suppose.

[Ashmoria]

And neither should anyone else in my opinion. Just be yourselves, everyone.

That's a terrible idea. Correct behaviour and etiquette is the foundation of society.

I assume that in Britain formality is all the upper class HAS. what else could possibly separate them from the masses?

Well, vast wealth and, in the case of the aristocracy, titles and illustrious family histories.

the aristocracy sets what is and isn't formal, eh? what else do they have?

[Caninope]

Aren't you always advocating abolishing welfare entirely to motivate the unemployed to get jobs even if there is a market shortage of jobs?

I suppose.

That's some great noblesse oblige you've got there.

[Arglorand]

They already have cut back on expenses. They can barely EAT. And with malnutrition comes weakness and frailty. And with those, come the fucking realization that laissez faire is shit, and that you haven't yet said a single way they can actually make a job.

Come on, Vazdania. My friend's family are depending on this. Think of something that can earn them cash.

Laissez faire IS shit. Just for your information. Corportism works best when it has proper regulation.

Grow your own food? Make your own company? Go to a damn Church or religious organization where people will help them? There are many things to help people.

They live in a city block, they have no money or capital to start a company on, and they already survive on other people's help.

They need a job, Vazdania, and they haven't got one.

[Luveria]

They already have cut back on expenses. They can barely EAT. And with malnutrition comes weakness and frailty. And with those, come the fucking realization that laissez faire is shit, and that you haven't yet said a single way they can actually make a job.

Come on, Vazdania. My friend's family are depending on this. Think of something that can earn them cash.

Laissez faire IS shit. Just for your information. Corportism works best when it has proper regulation.

Grow your own food?

Indoors when not having the space for it? When not having the money to pay for the growing equipment?

Make your own company?

Without any money?

Go to a damn Church or religious organization where people will help them?

Like they already are?

There are many things to help people.

Like what?

[Unitaristic Regions]

They already have cut back on expenses. They can barely EAT. And with malnutrition comes weakness and frailty. And with those, come the fucking realization that laissez faire is shit, and that you haven't yet said a single way they can actually make a job.

Come on, Vazdania. My friend's family are depending on this. Think of something that can earn them cash.

Laissez faire IS shit. Just for your information. Corportism works best when it has proper regulation.

Grow your own food? Make your own company? Go to a damn Church or religious organization where people will help them? There are many things to help people.

Corporatism works best when it has proper regulation...

A certain rather lively, bald italian would be a rather good chap to have a lively talk with for you, I think.

[Ashmoria]

I assume that in Britain formality is all the upper class HAS. what else could possibly separate them from the masses?

We have much more than formality, sir, that separates us from the masses: more wealth then they have, titles and estates. This does not make us better than them, of course. It is simply their manner.

seems like nothing to me.

[Arglorand]

Laissez faire IS shit. Just for your information. Corportism works best when it has proper regulation.

Grow your own food? Make your own company? Go to a damn Church or religious organization where people will help them? There are many things to help people.

Corporatism works best when it has proper regulation...

A certain rather lively, bald italian would be a rather good chap to have a lively talk with for you, I think.

Berlusconi?

[Forster Keys]

Classism is good.

This is why I am sometimes tempted to betray my principles of nonviolence and just stab the rich.

If they keep acting like that you won't have to.

[Shinpitekina]

If I may dredge up something from earlier:

Surely they can afford them, though!

You remind me of the queen saying "Let them eat cake!" you just don't seem to have an understanding of what it means to be poor.

Or Jonathan Davis, the leading vocalist saying in his song about the recession that people should stop complaining and just have fun.

“Let them listen to Korn!”

[Unitaristic Regions]

Corporatism works best when it has proper regulation...

A certain rather lively, bald italian would be a rather good chap to have a lively talk with for you, I think.

Berlusconi?

Mussolini. The economy of Italian fascism was all about state-managed corporatism.

[Luveria]

Aren't you always advocating abolishing welfare entirely to motivate the unemployed to get jobs even if there is a market shortage of jobs?

I suppose.

Then what you meant by "....we need a change in the welfare and unemployment system...." actually meant "yeah, they are being given just enough income from welfare to buy their food. Lets abolish welfare entirely so unemployed people starve to death in the streets and then we won't need welfare anymore."

[Arglorand]

Berlusconi?

Mussolini. The economy of Italian fascism was all about state-managed corporatism.

I know. It was about a quarter of a joke and three quarters being intentionally obtuse

[Estado Paulista]

Mussolini. The economy of Italian fascism was all about state-managed corporatism.

Vazdania wouldn't like to chat with Mussolini's mate Franco, though. You know, Spanish-speaking peasants.

[Unitaristic Regions]

Mussolini. The economy of Italian fascism was all about state-managed corporatism.

I know. It was about a quarter of a joke and three quarters being intentionally obtuse

oh, okay lawl.

[Kamchastkia]

Because the rich ruling classes have time to sit around and go through traditions because the lower classes work and make their rich masters their fortune.

[Caninope]

This is why I am sometimes tempted to betray my principles of nonviolence and just stab the rich.

If they keep acting like that you won't have to.

See, here's the thing.

I go to university with a bunch of people who might broadly be described as "upper class"- the old money, the new money, people from professional/managerial/corporate class(es). Everyone I've met so far has been amazing. No one I've met has been so classist, even the people who advocate the near dismantling of the state.

IOW, Vazdania is the exception, if he truly is monied.

[Arglorand]

If they keep acting like that you won't have to.

See, here's the thing.

I go to university with a bunch of people who might broadly be described as "upper class"- the old money, the new money, people from professional/managerial/corporate class(es). Everyone I've met so far has been amazing. No one I've met has been so classist, even the people who advocate the near dismantling of the state.

IOW, Vazdania is the exception, if he truly is monied.

Thanks, Caninope, for reassuring my faith in humanity.

You truly remain NSG's official Captain America.

[Ile Tobi]

Has any one not considered the option varzadania is trolling.After all the debate is about informality in lower classes and he bait all of you with his opinion. Successful troll is successful.

[Unitaristic Regions]

Mussolini. The economy of Italian fascism was all about state-managed corporatism.

Vazdania wouldn't like to chat with Mussolini's mate Franco, though. You know, Spanish-speaking peasants.

Wrong class indeed!

Plus, he's a neo-thatcherite, right? Thatcher's handling of the Coal Union would make Mussolini drool.

[Crumlark]

Are you trying to imply that formality is EXCLUSIVE to the upper class?

no it also includes those lower class people who want to act like upper class people.

formality IS the way upper class people act. if the behaviors were reversed it would still be considered that the upper class behavior was better and more formal.

I was abiding by a looser definition of ritualistic and repeated activities throughout daily life just before I read that post. Then I realized smoking breaks, breastfeeding, and using the bathroom would certainly be formal under this definition. I think I'll go by your definition from here on out.

It is a question, is all. Yes or no would suffice.
I derived that train of thinking by you explaining that the lower classes act more informal because they are not the upper class. Yes, that is a slanted question with the obvious assumption that the lower class are entirely devoid of formality, but your answer seems to reinforce its assumption, though.

No, it does not, and it is was not a slanted question. You are making it into what you want it to be.

Eugh, burden of proof is on me with this bit. The question operates on the assumption the lower class act more informal. I exaggerated when I said it implied the lower class were devoid of formality. However, when you said "Because they are not upper class" You made it seem that to be formal, you had to be upper class. A requirement.
And since I adjusted my stance on the issue, all this is proving you right. Still needed to be posted though, with you saying the question wasn't loaded.

[Arglorand]

Vazdania wouldn't like to chat with Mussolini's mate Franco, though. You know, Spanish-speaking peasants.

Wrong class indeed!

Plus, he's a neo-thatcherite, right? Thatcher's handling of the Coal Union would make Mussolini drool.

Relevant.

[Unitaristic Regions]

Has any one not considered the option varzadania is trolling.After all the debate is about informality in lower classes and he bait all of you with his opinion. Successful troll is successful.

He'd only be succesfull if we were butthurt. I'm rather amused .

[Grand Longueville]

Surely they can afford them, though!

If they could afford the little niceties they wouldn't be lower-class.

I wouldn't know.