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Postby Luveria » Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:35 pm

Vazdania wrote:
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Yup. Totally their fault that there is a shortage of jobs, meaning it isn't possible for everyone to have a job, but it's still their own fault for not getting a job...

Make your own jobs then?


How when there are no jobs available, and they have no money because they are surviving on donations from friends and family? Do explain how they are supposed to make their own job.
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Postby Estado Paulista » Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:35 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Luveria wrote:
Yup. Totally their fault that there is a shortage of jobs, meaning it isn't possible for everyone to have a job, but it's still their own fault for not getting a job...

Make your own jobs then?


Did you miss the part where he said they survive on welfare and can barely pay their taxes?
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Postby Vazdania » Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:36 pm

Arglorand wrote:
Vazdania wrote: :eyebrow: I'm pretty sure the lower classes have their own appearances to keep up as well amongst themselves.

I'd much rather people be honest with me than formal. If they think I'm a dick, they should say "you're a dick", not "Perhaps you would consider coming to my abode to celebrate New Years' Eve with me and my ladyfriend?"

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Postby A Republican Ireland » Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:36 pm

I live in the USA. Where the lower class known as the middle class. Does all the work. While all the upper class people. Just sit on their ass all day. o yes we might act informal to a high class british person. But it is the normal way too act.

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Postby Caninope » Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:36 pm

Vazdania wrote:
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Exactly so. The habits of those in power are by association seen as superior not just by themselves but a large part of general society. I might be pushing it a bit far here, but you also can see the same thing happening on the international, extra-cultural level. It's why Hellenism spread under Alexander, Roman culture spread under the Roman Empire, and why American culture is pervading the world today.

Emulation of the powerful is good.

No, it's actually not. As I like to joke with my friends, "You do you."
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Postby Estado Paulista » Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:36 pm

Vazdania wrote:
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"I'm an illiterate, uneducated farmer. Geez, I think I should work harder if I ever want to get where my caudillo is".

:eyebrow: You musn't understand what farmers need to know, these days.


---> The point.

---> Your head.
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Postby Forster Keys » Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:36 pm

Caninope wrote:
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Exactly so. The habits of those in power are by association seen as superior not just by themselves but a large part of general society. I might be pushing it a bit far here, but you also can see the same thing happening on the international, extra-cultural level. It's why Hellenism spread under Alexander, Roman culture spread under the Roman Empire, and why American culture is pervading the world today.

I think American cultural influence might not necessarily be because of the wealth of America, but might be attributed to other factors (namely both the highly dynamic nature of the US/UK music scene and the sheer quantity of culture that America produces yearly).


That's true, gross economic power, which is behind music these days, is distinct from this sort of prestige-driven adoption.
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Postby Arglorand » Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:36 pm

United British Union wrote:
The Joseon Dynasty wrote:Far too many immigrants in this thread. British posts for British posters, I say!

Indeed so.

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Postby Shinpitekina » Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:36 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Shinpitekina wrote:What if their hard work gets them nowhere? Where is the incentive to work harder if it gets poor people nowhere?

:eyebrow: How would working hard not get you anywhere? :eyebrow:

In the case of goods and services not selling, the expenses need to be cut either through wages or firing employees. Those who end up unemployed have no steady source for money anymore and either become poor or stay poor, depending on their background how long have they been on the job. There is also the possibility of the state letting the businesses decide who to employ when it is not based on merits but unchangeable attributes of ones own biology, such as gender, ethnicity and sexual orientation. Thus, those who are poor and discriminated against by the employer will not even have a chance to stop being poor and benefit the company and therefore, will stay poor if they have been poor before applying for that job.
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Postby Vazdania » Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:36 pm

Estado Paulista wrote:
Vazdania wrote:Make your own jobs then?


Did you miss the part where he said they survive on welfare and can barely pay their taxes?

If they are on welfare they probably do not pay very much in taxes at all.
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Postby Luveria » Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:36 pm

Estado Paulista wrote:
Vazdania wrote:Make your own jobs then?


Did you miss the part where he said they survive on welfare and can barely pay their taxes?


He always ignores those inconvenient details which make his fantasy logic unworkable.

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Postby Forster Keys » Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:36 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Forster Keys wrote:
Exactly so. The habits of those in power are by association seen as superior not just by themselves but a large part of general society. I might be pushing it a bit far here, but you also can see the same thing happening on the international, extra-cultural level. It's why Hellenism spread under Alexander, Roman culture spread under the Roman Empire, and why American culture is pervading the world today.

Emulation of the powerful is good.


Is "good"? Good for what? What a meaningless generalisation.
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Postby United British Union » Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:37 pm

It is clear they are either too laid-back or too relaxed to keep up appearances, when the Aristocracy and other Upper-Class peoples strive to make a good impression of both themselves and the British Nation.

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Postby Luveria » Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:37 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Estado Paulista wrote:
Did you miss the part where he said they survive on welfare and can barely pay their taxes?

If they are on welfare they probably do not pay very much in taxes at all.


Are you doing this on purpose?

Estado Paulista wrote:
Vazdania wrote:Make your own jobs then?


Did you miss the part where he said they survive on welfare and can barely pay their taxes?


Luveria wrote:
Vazdania wrote:Make your own jobs then?


How when there are no jobs available, and they have no money because they are surviving on donations from friends and family? Do explain how they are supposed to make their own job.

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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:37 pm

Estado Paulista wrote:
Vazdania wrote: :eyebrow: You musn't understand what farmers need to know, these days.


---> The point.

---> Your head.


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Postby Vazdania » Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:37 pm

A Republican Ireland wrote:I live in the USA. Where the lower class known as the middle class. Does all the work. While all the upper class people. Just sit on their ass all day. o yes we might act informal to a high class british person. But it is the normal way too act.

YOURE A LIAR! >:(
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Postby Shinpitekina » Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:38 pm

New Maldorainia wrote:Lower classes do not worry about keeping up appearances.

And neither should anyone else in my opinion. Just be yourselves, everyone.
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Postby Nuverikstan » Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:38 pm

When you are low class most people act as if you are worthless. And if people act as if you are worthless you have no reputation. And with no reputation you can do whatever you want as usually it is not acting formal.
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Postby The Joseon Dynasty » Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:38 pm

Arglorand wrote:
United British Union wrote:Indeed so.

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Postby Forster Keys » Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:38 pm

Lord Tothe wrote:Because aristocracy in times past had the leisure time to develop rituals surrounding everyday activities like eating, and had the disposable income to buy clothing and utensils for their gatherings and social interactions.


Rituals. That's the perfect word for it.
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Postby Nuverikstan » Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:38 pm

Shinpitekina wrote:
New Maldorainia wrote:Lower classes do not worry about keeping up appearances.

And neither should anyone else in my opinion. Just be yourselves, everyone.

Why it's a good show?!
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Postby Arglorand » Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:38 pm

United British Union wrote:It is clear they are either too laid-back or too relaxed to keep up appearances, when the Aristocracy and other Upper-Class peoples strive to make a good impression of both themselves and the British Nation.

They're pretty much failing.

Glasgow (if you think of that as Britain) left a much more likable impression on me than Oxford.
Kosovo is Morrowind. N'wah.
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Postby Caninope » Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:39 pm

The Joseon Dynasty wrote:
Caninope wrote:Ew Spanish?

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Far too many immigrants in this thread. British posts for British posters, I say!

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Because Caninope may be in that room with you.
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Postby Estado Paulista » Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:39 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Estado Paulista wrote:
Did you miss the part where he said they survive on welfare and can barely pay their taxes?

If they are on welfare they probably do not pay very much in taxes at all.


And if they can barely pay the taxes someone on welfare has too, it means they probably can't afford to "make their own jobs", right?
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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:39 pm

Forster Keys wrote:
Lord Tothe wrote:Because aristocracy in times past had the leisure time to develop rituals surrounding everyday activities like eating, and had the disposable income to buy clothing and utensils for their gatherings and social interactions.


Rituals. That's the perfect word for it.


Surplus free time allowed for cultural evolution? Hmmm....
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