Utah Now Has Gay Marriage... Wow

[Gaelic Celtia]

Well, it actually went back (a little).

It started with Muslim-like polygyny, which is arguably more shameful than anything about sexual orientation equality.

that is true. still not the direction i think it should be going.

Yeah, we can't have us moving forward beyond petty prejudices. We need to go BACK, Marty!

[Liriena]

While I'm happy for the people in Utah who can now get married and hope that same-sex marriage is eventually legal in all states, the way it was done worries me. This was not done by a democratic vote of the state legislature or the people. It was imposed from above by a federal court on one of the most conservative states in the country.

Ever heard of the term 'checks and balances'?

[Jesse James Harris]

Just to let you guys know, I am not a homophobe. Not really anyones business, but my brother, is gay. I love him and treat him the same like everyone else.

I believe you.

Alright, good lmao.

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

Well, it actually went back (a little).

It started with Muslim-like polygyny, which is arguably more shameful than anything about sexual orientation equality.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Mormon polygyny worse than Muslim because Muslims at least have a limit of wives and a requirement that the first wife approves?

I have no idea. My country is mostly free from all this Amerindians = ebul enemies of Jews nonsense.

[Liberonscien]

We are now that much closer to the end of society now.

How so?

Because there is another increase in SSM.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Gooooood

[Dyakovo]

Just to let you guys know, I am not a homophobe. Not really anyones business, but my brother, is gay. I love him and treat him the same like everyone else.

Nice twist on the "I'm not a [insert type of bigot here], I have a [insert minority here] friend".

[Arglorand]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Mormon polygyny worse than Muslim because Muslims at least have a limit of wives and a requirement that the first wife approves?

I have no idea. My country is mostly free from all this Amerindians = ebul enemies of Jews nonsense.

There's a single congregation of theirs in Lithuania.

They once came to my doorstep. I politely explained that I did not want any potatoes.

[Jesse James Harris]

Just to let you guys know, I am not a homophobe. Not really anyones business, but my brother, is gay. I love him and treat him the same like everyone else.

I'm sure that means a lot to him.
And now understanding the difference between civil marriage and religious ceremonies, you can get all kinds of happy for him if/when he announces that he's engaged without having to feel like it's violating some sort of religious freedom, huh?

Believe it or not, he simply doesn't care about getting married at all. He believes in what I said before.

[Dragoria]

How so?

Because there is another increase in SSM.

SSM is not the end of society. Love is not the end of society. Hate is.

[Arglorand]

Just to let you guys know, I am not a homophobe. Not really anyones business, but my brother, is gay. I love him and treat him the same like everyone else.

Nice twist on the "I'm not a [insert type of bigot here], I have a [insert minority here] friend".

He hasn't exactly expressed any outrightly homophobic opinions. His opposition to SSM was based on confusion.

[Jesse James Harris]

Just to let you guys know, I am not a homophobe. Not really anyones business, but my brother, is gay. I love him and treat him the same like everyone else.

Nice twist on the "I'm not a [insert type of bigot here], I have a [insert minority here] friend".

Yeah ok, sure.

[Liberonscien]

Because there is another increase in SSM.

SSM is not the end of society. Love is not the end of society. Hate is.

Exactly, that is why this increase in SSM is a problem.

[Menassa]

How so?

Because there is another increase in SSM.

How does SSM end t society?

[Vazdania]

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/57291925-78/marriage-utah-judge-sex.html.csp

So a federal justice struck down Utah's state ban on same-sex marriage today. The gist is, according to the judge,

"The issue the court must address in this case is not who should define marriage, but the narrow question of whether Utah’s current definition of marriage is permissible under the Constitution"

In that judge's ruling, it is not permissible. Apparently one couple has already been issued a marriage license, though the certain event of an appeal may put this all on hold.

Having previously lived in Utah for nine years, I can say that this is absolutely huge for proponents of marriage equality. There is probably no state that has been more vocal in its opposition to same-sex marriage, thanks largely in part to the LDS Church. Having a pair of longtime family friends who have lived in Salt Lake their entire lives and who have been partners for the past five years, now possibly able to marry, this is also a big personal win.

What say you, NSG?

#StandStrongIdaho......the red menace is amongst us....

[Dragoria]

I'm sure that means a lot to him.
And now understanding the difference between civil marriage and religious ceremonies, you can get all kinds of happy for him if/when he announces that he's engaged without having to feel like it's violating some sort of religious freedom, huh?

Believe it or not, he simply doesn't care about getting married at all. He believes in what I said before.

Does he understand the difference between civil marriage and religious ceremonies?

'Course, not everyone has to get married anyway. Some people find it's just not a good fit for them. Heck, I'm one of those people.
But the option should always be available for anyone who wants it.

[Liberonscien]

Because there is another increase in SSM.

How does SSM end t society?

end t society?
what do you mean?

[Menassa]

How does SSM end t society?

end t society?
what do you mean?

You said an increase in SSM would end society, how so?

[Arglorand]

Because there is another increase in SSM.

How does SSM end t society?

Well, in Eastern Europe it ends society because it's merely a Westerner invention spread by ebul Russian/Ukrainian/Estonian/Georgian spies who wish to steal our pure, true Latvian/Georgian/Russian/Lithuanian/Belarusian children.

[Dragoria]

SSM is not the end of society. Love is not the end of society. Hate is.

Exactly, that is why this increase in SSM is a problem.

How does increasing tolerance/equality, allowing people to express their love the same as any other people are allowed to, increase hate?

[Liriena]

I'm sure that means a lot to him.
And now understanding the difference between civil marriage and religious ceremonies, you can get all kinds of happy for him if/when he announces that he's engaged without having to feel like it's violating some sort of religious freedom, huh?

Believe it or not, he simply doesn't care about getting married at all. He believes in what I said before.

Okay...

[Jesse James Harris]

Believe it or not, he simply doesn't care about getting married at all. He believes in what I said before.

Does he understand the difference between civil marriage and religious ceremonies?

'Course, not everyone has to get married anyway. Some people find it's just not a good fit for them. Heck, I'm one of those people.
But the option should always be available for anyone who wants it.

I'm not sure, all I know is he says he is never getting married.

[Vazdania]

Exactly, that is why this increase in SSM is a problem.

How does increasing tolerance, allowing people to express their love the same as any other people are allowed to, increase hate?

I think the whole thing Duck Dynasty situation was an example of increased hatred....

[Liberonscien]

end t society?
what do you mean?

You said an increase in SSM would end society, how so?

It indirectly goes against the well being of society.

[DesAnges]

You said an increase in SSM would end society, how so?

It indirectly goes against the well being of society.

Why?