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Postby Dragoria » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:10 pm

Jesse James Harris wrote:
Dragoria wrote: Well, people learn from being wrong and getting corrected, right?
At least, they should. Some try their very hardest not to...


Of course!
Some days it seems to me that NSG is a better teacher than most schools, once you get past all the snark. The people debating the issues are people doing it because they care, not because they get paid to do it.
You also get different views on whatever the issue is, and in most cases sources to back up the various stances, so you can look at the different angles of an issue and see which you're most aligned with.
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Postby Arglorand » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:11 pm

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Looks like you'll never be able to see the Scottish hills, sorry my friend.

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Postby Liberonscien » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:11 pm

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I don't know why you'd ever think that.

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Dragoria wrote:
Jesse James Harris wrote:
Of course!
Some days it seems to me that NSG is a better teacher than most schools, once you get past all the snark. The people debating the issues are people doing it because they care, not because they get paid to do it.
You also get different views on whatever the issue is, and in most cases sources to back up the various stances, so you can look at the different angles of an issue and see which you're most aligned with.

I agree.
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Postby Jesse James Harris » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:11 pm

I have a question. How come many of you guys are leftists? Also, do you hold any right-wing views at all.

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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:12 pm

Menassa wrote:It is common for many people to get a religious divorce, but in the interests of insurance keep their secular marriage.

In Brazil people tend to never religiously divorce, just change their parish for convenience, given how the Roman Catholic Church doesn't allow it but the IIRC Brazilian Catholic Church is OK about that. :P
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Postby Liriena » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:13 pm

Jesse James Harris wrote:I have a question. How come many of you guys are leftists?

*shrugs* No idea. It's kinda like 4chan. You don't quite know why it is the way it is. It just happened.

Jesse James Harris wrote:Also, do you hold any right-wing views at all.

Not anymore.
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Postby Arglorand » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:13 pm

Jesse James Harris wrote:I have a question. How come many of you guys are leftists? Also, do you hold any right-wing views at all.

Because I live here and can see very well that laissez-faire capitalism isn't working.
Kosovo is Morrowind. N'wah.
Impeach Dagoth Ur, legalise Daedra worship, the Empire is theft. Nerevarine 3E 427.

Pros: Dunmeri independence, abolition of the Empire, the Daedra, Morag Tong, House Redoran, Ashlander interests, abolitionism, Dissident Priests, canonisation of St. Jiub the Cliff Racer Slayer.
Cons: Imperials, the Empire, the False Tribunal, Dagoth Ur, House Hlaalu, Imperials, the Eight Divines, "Talos", "Nords", Imperial unionism, Imperials.

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Postby Liriena » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:13 pm

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:
Menassa wrote:It is common for many people to get a religious divorce, but in the interests of insurance keep their secular marriage.

In Brazil people tend to never religiously divorce, just change their parish for convenience, given how the Roman Catholic Church doesn't allow it but the IIRC Brazilian Catholic Church is OK about that. :P

:P
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Political compass stuff:
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For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
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Postby Liriena » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:14 pm

Arglorand wrote:
Jesse James Harris wrote:I have a question. How come many of you guys are leftists? Also, do you hold any right-wing views at all.

Because I live here and can see very well that laissez-faire capitalism isn't working.

Well, at least the grass looks nice. :P
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Political compass stuff:
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Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
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Postby Liberonscien » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:16 pm

What happened to Omicron Percei 9?
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Postby Gaelic Celtia » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:16 pm

Jesse James Harris wrote:I have a question. How come many of you guys are leftists? Also, do you hold any right-wing views at all.

Only in regards to the death penalty.
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Postby Arglorand » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:17 pm


Oh, don't get me wrong, I like this khruschyovka-littered district of mine. There's a surprising sense of community among us in the particular district of Vilnius that I live in.

It's exactly why I like it that I'm an anti-capitalist. It's pretty much dying, you see, and there's no way in hell it will ever be restored if things continue as they are. Our city's mayor is a jackass who keeps making life in here impossible.
Kosovo is Morrowind. N'wah.
Impeach Dagoth Ur, legalise Daedra worship, the Empire is theft. Nerevarine 3E 427.

Pros: Dunmeri independence, abolition of the Empire, the Daedra, Morag Tong, House Redoran, Ashlander interests, abolitionism, Dissident Priests, canonisation of St. Jiub the Cliff Racer Slayer.
Cons: Imperials, the Empire, the False Tribunal, Dagoth Ur, House Hlaalu, Imperials, the Eight Divines, "Talos", "Nords", Imperial unionism, Imperials.

I am a: Social Democrat | Bright green | Republican | Intersectional feminist | Civic nationalist | Multiculturalist
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:17 pm

Arglorand wrote:
Jesse James Harris wrote:I have a question. How come many of you guys are leftists? Also, do you hold any right-wing views at all.

Because I live here and can see very well that laissez-faire capitalism isn't working.

Looks like central-southern Niterói.

This is very, very, very fine compared to the place I actually hail from since I'm 5.
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Postby Dragoria » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:17 pm

Jesse James Harris wrote:I have a question. How come many of you guys are leftists? Also, do you hold any right-wing views at all.
Leftist/right-wing seems a fairly narrow definition to me. And they don't seem to mean what they used to.
American Left is closer to Center in europe, IIRC, and American Right is...pretty far out there, compared to most, at least from my understanding.

I don't really consider myself any particular political affiliation, I just think people deserve to be treated like people.
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Postby Novia Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:18 pm

Jesse James Harris wrote:I have a question. How come many of you guys are leftists? Also, do you hold any right-wing views at all.


Most of us are lefties including me.
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Postby Frisivisia » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:19 pm

Jesse James Harris wrote:I have a question. How come many of you guys are leftists? Also, do you hold any right-wing views at all.

If I remember correctly from the last time we had one our endless "lol wut r ur bliefs" threads, it was something like 75%, and some people do.
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Postby Unidox » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:19 pm

Jesse James Harris wrote:I have a question. How come many of you guys are leftists? Also, do you hold any right-wing views at all.

Because the lefties were friendly and invited us into their fold long ago. Also, have you not heard of Log Cabin Republicans?
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:19 pm

Arglorand wrote:
Liriena wrote:Well, at least the grass looks nice. :P

Oh, don't get me wrong, I like this khruschyovka-littered district of mine. There's a surprising sense of community among us in the particular district of Vilnius that I live in.

It's exactly why I like it that I'm an anti-capitalist. It's pretty much dying, you see, and there's no way in hell it will ever be restored if things continue as they are. Our city's mayor is a jackass who keeps making life in here impossible.

You think European politicians are terrible. xDDDDDDD

You seriously need to be presented to our city councils/parliaments and justice system applying a law that is actually meant to IMPEDE people from being prosecuted for corruption. I have no fucking idea how we actually have the possibility of existing.
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Postby Jesse James Harris » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:20 pm

Well, from seeing people representing both sides of the political spectrum, and both giving me evidence and trying to convince me. I consider myself, right-wing.

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Postby Liriena » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:21 pm

Jesse James Harris wrote:Well, from seeing people representing both sides of the political spectrum, and both giving me evidence and trying to convince me. I consider myself, right-wing.

That's fine. That being said... Let's get back to the topic of this thread.
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Political compass stuff:
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For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
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Postby Jesse James Harris » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:21 pm

Unidox wrote:
Jesse James Harris wrote:I have a question. How come many of you guys are leftists? Also, do you hold any right-wing views at all.

Because the lefties were friendly and invited us into their fold long ago. Also, have you not heard of Log Cabin Republicans?


Of course I heard of them.

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Postby Arglorand » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:22 pm

Liriena wrote:
Jesse James Harris wrote:Well, from seeing people representing both sides of the political spectrum, and both giving me evidence and trying to convince me. I consider myself, right-wing.

That's fine. That being said... Let's get back to the topic of this thread.

I'm not sure that's possible. There's a surprisingly low amount of homophobes today.
Kosovo is Morrowind. N'wah.
Impeach Dagoth Ur, legalise Daedra worship, the Empire is theft. Nerevarine 3E 427.

Pros: Dunmeri independence, abolition of the Empire, the Daedra, Morag Tong, House Redoran, Ashlander interests, abolitionism, Dissident Priests, canonisation of St. Jiub the Cliff Racer Slayer.
Cons: Imperials, the Empire, the False Tribunal, Dagoth Ur, House Hlaalu, Imperials, the Eight Divines, "Talos", "Nords", Imperial unionism, Imperials.

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Postby Dragoria » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:23 pm

Arglorand wrote:
Liriena wrote:That's fine. That being said... Let's get back to the topic of this thread.

I'm not sure that's possible. There's a surprisingly low amount of homophobes today.
Saturday here, so it's been a whole week since their last church service, they're probably running low on fuel. They should be back tomorrow afternoon and raring to go.
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Postby Indira » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:24 pm

Excellent news.

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Postby Arglorand » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:25 pm

Dragoria wrote:
Arglorand wrote:I'm not sure that's possible. There's a surprisingly low amount of homophobes today.
Saturday here, so it's been a whole week since their last church service, they're probably running low on fuel. They should be back tomorrow afternoon and raring to go.

I'd offer to play devil's advocate, but this subject isn't quite as fun when your opponent isn't really honest about his beliefs.
Kosovo is Morrowind. N'wah.
Impeach Dagoth Ur, legalise Daedra worship, the Empire is theft. Nerevarine 3E 427.

Pros: Dunmeri independence, abolition of the Empire, the Daedra, Morag Tong, House Redoran, Ashlander interests, abolitionism, Dissident Priests, canonisation of St. Jiub the Cliff Racer Slayer.
Cons: Imperials, the Empire, the False Tribunal, Dagoth Ur, House Hlaalu, Imperials, the Eight Divines, "Talos", "Nords", Imperial unionism, Imperials.

I am a: Social Democrat | Bright green | Republican | Intersectional feminist | Civic nationalist | Multiculturalist
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