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Postby Liriena » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:59 pm

Gaelic Celtia wrote:Actually, correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the majority of Americans now support gay marriage?

Yes, but on a state by state basis, it's overwhelmingly opposed in many.

Jesse James Harris wrote:Alright guys, lmao. I am 17, and I just wanted a little conversation on it. I do not mean to offend anyone. I don't know everything, so maybe I messed up on plain ignorance.

It's perfectly alright. Many of us have at some point expressed an opinion on a topic on which we were ignorant.
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Arglorand wrote:
Jesse James Harris wrote:Alright guys, lmao. I am 17, and I just wanted a little conversation on it. I do not mean to offend anyone. I don't know everything, so maybe I messed up on plain ignorance.

It's fine. It's quite obvious you simply didn't know civil marriage and matrimony were different things.

Also, I'm also 17.

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Postby Gaelic Celtia » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:00 pm

Novia Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Gaelic Celtia wrote:Actually, correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the majority of Americans now support gay marriage?


52% I think.

That's what I thought
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Postby Arglorand » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:00 pm

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:
Arglorand wrote:It's fine. It's quite obvious you simply didn't know civil marriage and matrimony were different things.

Also, I'm also 17.

How did I miss your birthday?

Dunno. How did you miss my birthday?

It was on October 7th.
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Postby Jesse James Harris » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:00 pm

Arglorand wrote:
Jesse James Harris wrote:Alright guys, lmao. I am 17, and I just wanted a little conversation on it. I do not mean to offend anyone. I don't know everything, so maybe I messed up on plain ignorance.

It's fine. It's quite obvious you simply didn't know civil marriage and matrimony were different things.

Alright, can you give me the differences then?
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Postby Menassa » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:00 pm

Liriena wrote:
Jesse James Harris wrote:Alright guys, lmao. I am 17, and I just wanted a little conversation on it. I do not mean to offend anyone. I don't know everything, so maybe I messed up on plain ignorance.

It's perfectly alright. Many of us have at some point expressed an opinion on a topic on which we were ignorant.

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Postby Liriena » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:01 pm

Menassa wrote:
Liriena wrote:It's perfectly alright. Many of us have at some point expressed an opinion on a topic on which we were ignorant.

Not I!

You are a Tanna, Menassa. If you ever expressed an uninformed opinion, we would promptly call you an ambulance.
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Postby Lost heros » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:01 pm

Jesse James Harris wrote:
Arglorand wrote:

It's fine. It's quite obvious you simply didn't know civil marriage and matrimony were different things.

Alright, can you give me the differences then?

Matrimony is a religious ceremony that means nothing.

Marriage is the legal union between two people.
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Postby Arglorand » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:02 pm

Jesse James Harris wrote:
Arglorand wrote:It's fine. It's quite obvious you simply didn't know civil marriage and matrimony were different things.


Alright, can you give me the differences then?

Put simply, one of them (civil marriage) is the legal contract that signifies people are married. It has nothing to do with religion and doesn't have to be performed at a church.

Matrimony is just the religious ceremony. A religious rite marking marriage, if you wish. Nobody is demanding that people are allowed to get the religious ceremony performed, just the civil one.
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Postby Dragoria » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:02 pm

Jesse James Harris wrote:Alright guys, lmao. I am 17, and I just wanted a little conversation on it. I do not mean to offend anyone. I don't know everything, so maybe I messed up on plain ignorance.
Well, people learn from being wrong and getting corrected, right?
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Menassa wrote:Not I!

You are a Tanna, Menassa. If you ever expressed an uninformed opinion, we would promptly call you an ambulance.

I think that it would be a sign of the Messianic age...
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:02 pm

Arglorand wrote:
Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:How did I miss your birthday?

Dunno. How did you miss my birthday?

It was on October 7th.

The dramafests I was having with my ex-boyfriend at this time overwhelmed me so much that nothing that took place in October is remembered all that clearly.
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Postby Arglorand » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:03 pm

Menassa wrote:
Liriena wrote:You are a Tanna, Menassa. If you ever expressed an uninformed opinion, we would promptly call you an ambulance.

I think that it would be a sign of the Messianic age...

The day you screw up in some way is the day I stop wanting to leave my country.
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Postby Arglorand » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:04 pm

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:
Arglorand wrote:Dunno. How did you miss my birthday?

It was on October 7th.

The dramafests I was having with my ex-boyfriend at this time overwhelmed me so much that nothing that took place in October is remembered all that clearly.

Heh, it's alright. Glad your dramafests are over.
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Postby Jesse James Harris » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:04 pm

Arglorand wrote:
Jesse James Harris wrote:
Alright, can you give me the differences then?

Put simply, one of them (civil marriage) is the legal contract that signifies people are married. It has nothing to do with religion and doesn't have to be performed at a church.

Matrimony is just the religious ceremony. A religious rite marking marriage, if you wish. Nobody is demanding that people are allowed to get the religious ceremony performed, just the civil one.


Hmm... I see... Thanks for informing me.
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Postby Liriena » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:05 pm

Jesse James Harris wrote:Alright, can you give me the differences then?

The differences are quite simple: Civil marriage is a legal contract, provided by a judge in the name of the state, that recognizes the union between two individuals involved in a romantic relationship who seek legal recognition of said relationship, along with several legal rights (such as joint custody of children, tax benefits, spousal privilege, inheritance and hospital visitation).

Religious marriage is a religious ceremony that is not legally binding, doesn't involve the state, and is performed by religious authorities separate from the state.

One can have a religious marriage without getting a civil marriage, and one can have a civil marriage without getting a religious marriage.
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Postby Jesse James Harris » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:05 pm

Dragoria wrote:
Jesse James Harris wrote:Alright guys, lmao. I am 17, and I just wanted a little conversation on it. I do not mean to offend anyone. I don't know everything, so maybe I messed up on plain ignorance.
Well, people learn from being wrong and getting corrected, right?
At least, they should. Some try their very hardest not to...


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Postby Dragoria » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:06 pm

Probably pretty far off-topic, but has anyone else been getting a doge vibe from the new thread title?
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Menassa wrote:
Liriena wrote:You are a Tanna, Menassa. If you ever expressed an uninformed opinion, we would promptly call you an ambulance.

I think that it would be a sign of the Messianic age...

Well, that's frightful... :p

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Menassa wrote:I think that it would be a sign of the Messianic age...

The day you screw up in some way is the day I stop wanting to leave my country.

:hug:
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Postby Aeken » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:07 pm

Dragoria wrote:Probably pretty far off-topic, but has anyone else been getting a doge vibe from the new thread title?
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Postby Menassa » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:07 pm

Liriena wrote:
Jesse James Harris wrote:Alright, can you give me the differences then?

[...]

Religious marriage is a religious ceremony that is not legally binding, doesn't involve the state, and is performed by religious authorities separate from the state.

[...]

It is common for many people to get a religious divorce, but in the interests of insurance keep their secular marriage.
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Postby Arglorand » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:08 pm

Liriena wrote:
Arglorand wrote:The day you screw up in some way is the day I stop wanting to leave my country.

:hug:

Call that a prophesy - Menassa will screw up the day after I actually leave my country to go to Scotland.
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Postby Natanian DRNR » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:09 pm

And the most recent cycle of gay marriage legalization continues, with New Mexico, and now Utah.
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Postby Menassa » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:10 pm

Arglorand wrote:
Liriena wrote: :hug:

Call that a prophesy - Menassa will screw up the day after I actually leave my country to go to Scotland.

Looks like you'll never be able to see the Scottish hills, sorry my friend.
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