Utah Now Has Gay Marriage... Wow

[Liriena]

You want the churches to control civil marriage? Do you even understand what you are talking about?

To let churches decide if they want to allow the people who want to get married, then yes. They perform it, so they should decide.

We are talking about civil marriage, not the religious sacrament of matrimony. The two are legally separate.

[Gaelic Celtia]

Then, should a racist majority have the right to vote in favour of slavery and against interracial marriage?

No, slavery is already outlawed by the Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, and interracial marriage was overturned on June 12, 1967.

You said it should be up to the states, so what if, say, Alabama decided to reinstate it?

[Fascist Russian Empire]

How 'bout we just legalize it, and then the people who don't like same-sex marriage don't have to marry anyone the same sex as them if they don't want to?

I believe either let people vote and let the state legalize it or not, or leave it up to the churches.

No. People can't be trusted with political decisions of any sort and letting churches have a say in politics only leads to theocracy.

[Jesse James Harris]

I oppose it, but I believe if the majority of people who vote for it, it should be legal. I'll still oppose it, but I can't let my opinion rule over everyone elses opinions. That's just not fair.

People's rights shouldn't be up to majority vote.

So, let the churches have their rights. They perform marriages, why can't they have their rights?

[Arglorand]

I foresee a "Civil marriage is not really marriage at all" in the near future.

[Dragoria]

You want the churches to control civil marriage? Do you even understand what you are talking about?

To let churches decide if they want to allow the people who want to get married, then yes. They perform it, so they should decide.

Nooooo. Marriage is a LEGAL matter. Churches perform religious ceremonies, but without a LEGAL marriage license all the church ceremonies in the world don't mean you're married as far as taxes and visiting your spouse in the hospital go.
Plenty of people get married with absolutely no religious ceremony whatsoever.

[Lost heros]

You want the churches to control civil marriage? Do you even understand what you are talking about?

To let churches decide if they want to allow the people who want to get married, then yes. They perform it, so they should decide.

I didn't know non-Christians didn't get married.

[Liriena]

I believe either let people vote and let the state legalize it or not, or leave it up to the churches.

This is dumb. Why should other peoples' opinion interfere in the civil rights of queer* and trans* people who are not necessarily religious or conservative in a moral-agnostic secular liberal democracy where law is written to confer neutrality rather than tyranny by majority?

Because it's my opinion, goshdarnit! I want my opinion to be the law of the land!

[Gaelic Celtia]

You want the churches to control civil marriage? Do you even understand what you are talking about?

To let churches decide if they want to allow the people who want to get married, then yes. They perform it, so they should decide.

civil marriages are not under the church's jurisdiction, so they ahve no place.

[Arglorand]

People's rights shouldn't be up to majority vote.

So, let the churches have their rights. They perform marriages, why can't they have their rights?

They don't.

The churches can marry whoever they want. It is legally separate from civil marriage, which is an entirely different thing and the thing the LGBT movement is demanding.

[Novia Soviet Socialist Republic]

People's rights shouldn't be up to majority vote.

So, let the churches have their rights. They perform marriages, why can't they have their rights?

You don't have to get married in a church as I've said before. Anyone can attain the power to marry people.

It doesn't have to be a priest and it doesn't have to be in a church.

[Dragoria]

People's rights shouldn't be up to majority vote.

So, let the churches have their rights. They perform marriages, why can't they have their rights?

Because we're not talking about a religious ceremony. We're talking about the right to be recognized by the government as a family unit, something that has absolutely NOTHING to do with the church or religion.

[Arglorand]

Anyone can attain the power to marry people.

Not necessarily. Has to be a legal official of the state here in Lithuania. Gotta go to certain places and sign certain documents, then you're married.

But yeah, you're basically right on everything else

[Divair]

People's rights shouldn't be up to majority vote.

So, let the churches have their rights. They perform marriages, why can't they have their rights?

No, they perform ceremonies that hold no legal weight.

[Gaelic Celtia]

People's rights shouldn't be up to majority vote.

So, let the churches have their rights. They perform marriages, why can't they have their rights?

We are not talking about matrimony, we are talking about CIVIL marriages.

[Jesse James Harris]

No, slavery is already outlawed by the Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, and interracial marriage was overturned on June 12, 1967.

Why should same-sex marriage be decided on a state by state 'popularity contest' fashion then?

I believe it's what's good for society. As long as no one is getting killed.

[Gaelic Celtia]

Why should same-sex marriage be decided on a state by state 'popularity contest' fashion then?

I believe it's what's good for society. As long as no one is getting killed.

Really? having someones life decided for them because they are a minority is "good for society?" Oh, do go on.

[Liriena]

People's rights shouldn't be up to majority vote.

So, let the churches have their rights. They perform marriages, why can't they have their rights?

Again, we're talking about civil marriage, not religious marriage. There's a difference.

[Dragoria]

Why should same-sex marriage be decided on a state by state 'popularity contest' fashion then?

I believe it's what's good for society. As long as no one is getting killed.

What you believe =/= what is true.
It's not good for the part of society that has their rights voted away from them if people vote to take that right away.

[Liriena]

Why should same-sex marriage be decided on a state by state 'popularity contest' fashion then?

I believe it's what's good for society.

And I suppose your belief can go through strict scrutiny without being torn to shreds by a judge?

As long as no one is getting killed.

Yeah, as long as no one is getting killed, it doesn't matter how miserable same-sex couples and their children are!

[Jesse James Harris]

Alright guys, lmao. I am 17, and I just wanted a little conversation on it. I do not mean to offend anyone. I don't know everything, so maybe I messed up on plain ignorance.

[Gaelic Celtia]

Actually, correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the majority of Americans now support gay marriage?

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

Why should same-sex marriage be decided on a state by state 'popularity contest' fashion then?

I believe it's what's good for society. As long as no one is getting killed.

You are looking at it with a very unwise, limited lens.

De-heternormativity-izing the institution of family through the offer of basic civil rights and legal respect to all kinds of family rather than just the religion-sanctioned nuclear kind (a minority in Brazil, and soon a minority in the United States too) turns marriage into a way more of a sexy thing to us from modern-thinking, knowledgeable, learned generations than a bunch of old conservative religious rich men telling us what we can and what we can't do, and can better preserve it as a healthy institution in the long-term.

[Novia Soviet Socialist Republic]

Actually, correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the majority of Americans now support gay marriage?

52% I think.

[Arglorand]

Alright guys, lmao. I am 17, and I just wanted a little conversation on it. I do not mean to offend anyone. I don't know everything, so maybe I messed up on plain ignorance.

It's fine. It's quite obvious you simply didn't know civil marriage and matrimony were different things.

Also, I'm also 17.