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Postby Arglorand » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:40 pm

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Liri, don't you know that China and Japan are western countries? :p

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Postby Sri Tschow » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:41 pm

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Arglorand wrote:I actually did not know one word of that.

I guess this is a sign I should watch more Canadian cartoons translated into Russian.

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Postby Arglorand » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:42 pm

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Русский медведь никогда не быть будет раздавленным. Для За Путина! * Кивает *
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Postby Jesse James Harris » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:42 pm

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We all hold different opinions. I have mine, you have yours. I respect everyones opinion even if I oppose it. It should be left up to the states because I believe that people should have the right to vote for what they believe in.
How 'bout we just legalize it, and then the people who don't like same-sex marriage don't have to marry anyone the same sex as them if they don't want to?


I believe either let people vote and let the state legalize it or not, or leave it up to the churches.

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Postby Dragoria » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:43 pm

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Dragoria wrote: Wait... Why are you only ok with it after it's legalized?


I oppose it, but I believe if the majority of people who vote for it, it should be legal. I'll still oppose it, but I can't let my opinion rule over everyone elses opinions. That's just not fair.
People's rights shouldn't be up to majority vote.
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Postby Liriena » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:43 pm

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Liriena wrote:I honestly think Portuguese is as smoothly sexy as it gets. :3

You think Russian ugly and Portuguese sexy? Next you tell me the funny hat of His Holiness is that fruit hat thingy Carmen Miranda used. :P

Your language is awesome. Deal with it. :P
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Postby Novia Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:43 pm

Jesse James Harris wrote:
Dragoria wrote: How 'bout we just legalize it, and then the people who don't like same-sex marriage don't have to marry anyone the same sex as them if they don't want to?


I believe either let people vote and let the state legalize it or not, or leave it up to the churches.


You don't have to get married in a church you know.

Would you be all for legalizing it if it didn't force the churches to do the marrying?
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Postby Liriena » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:43 pm

Jesse James Harris wrote:
Dragoria wrote: How 'bout we just legalize it, and then the people who don't like same-sex marriage don't have to marry anyone the same sex as them if they don't want to?


I believe either let people vote and let the state legalize it or not, or leave it up to the churches.

You want the churches to control civil marriage? Do you even understand what you are talking about?
be gay do crime


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Postby Caecuser » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:43 pm

Jesse James Harris wrote:
Dragoria wrote: How 'bout we just legalize it, and then the people who don't like same-sex marriage don't have to marry anyone the same sex as them if they don't want to?


I believe either let people vote and let the state legalize it or not, or leave it up to the churches.


This has nothing to do with the Churches and if I wanted to marry I shouldn't require majority approval.

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Postby Dragoria » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:44 pm

Jesse James Harris wrote:
Dragoria wrote: How 'bout we just legalize it, and then the people who don't like same-sex marriage don't have to marry anyone the same sex as them if they don't want to?


I believe either let people vote and let the state legalize it or not, or leave it up to the churches.
No. Churches should have NO SAY in any law at all under any circumstances ever. Separation of church and state.
That's even worse than letting people vote each other's rights away.
A church shouldn't be forced to perform a ceremony they don't believe in. We already don't force catholic churches to host satanic animal sacrifices.
But letting them decide who can and can't have legal recognition is a terrible, terrible idea in so many ways I can't even describe.
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Postby Gaelic Celtia » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:45 pm

Jesse James Harris wrote:
Dragoria wrote: How 'bout we just legalize it, and then the people who don't like same-sex marriage don't have to marry anyone the same sex as them if they don't want to?


I believe either let people vote and let the state legalize it or not, or leave it up to the churches.

Hell no. Church and government deserve to be as far away from one another as possible.
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Postby Jesse James Harris » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:46 pm

Liriena wrote:
Jesse James Harris wrote:It should be left up to the states because I believe that people should have the right to vote for what they believe in.

Then, should a racist majority have the right to vote in favour of slavery and against interracial marriage?


No, slavery is already outlawed by the Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, and interracial marriage was overturned on June 12, 1967.

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Postby Liberonscien » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:46 pm

Are we at the point where we are saying that people are going to hell yet?
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Postby Lost heros » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:46 pm

Jesse James Harris wrote:
Dragoria wrote: How 'bout we just legalize it, and then the people who don't like same-sex marriage don't have to marry anyone the same sex as them if they don't want to?


I believe either let people vote and let the state legalize it or not, or leave it up to the churches.

What do the churches have to do with this?
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Postby Liriena » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:47 pm

Jesse James Harris wrote:
Liriena wrote:Then, should a racist majority have the right to vote in favour of slavery and against interracial marriage?


No, slavery is already outlawed by the Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, and interracial marriage was overturned on June 12, 1967.

Why should same-sex marriage be decided on a state by state 'popularity contest' fashion then?
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Postby Arglorand » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:47 pm

Liberonscien wrote:Are we at the point where we are saying that people are going to hell yet?

We're long past that. We've also survived an Eastern European who defended homophobia against the evil onslaught of Western science.
Kosovo is Morrowind. N'wah.
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Postby Novia Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:47 pm

Liberonscien wrote:Are we at the point where we are saying that people are going to hell yet?


No. We've just got past the part with people saying it's a mental illness though.
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Postby Dragoria » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:47 pm

Liberonscien wrote:Are we at the point where we are saying that people are going to hell yet?
Getting there, just hit "churches should decide who can or can't get married". Give it, oh, half an hour or so?
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Postby Jesse James Harris » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:48 pm

Liriena wrote:
Jesse James Harris wrote:
I believe either let people vote and let the state legalize it or not, or leave it up to the churches.

You want the churches to control civil marriage? Do you even understand what you are talking about?


To let churches decide if they want to allow the people who want to get married, then yes. They perform it, so they should decide.

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Postby Arglorand » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:48 pm

Dragoria wrote:
Liberonscien wrote:Are we at the point where we are saying that people are going to hell yet?
Getting there, just hit "churches should decide who can or can't get married". Give it, oh, half an hour or so?

Novia Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Liberonscien wrote:Are we at the point where we are saying that people are going to hell yet?


No. We've just got past the part with people saying it's a mental illness though.
New Molsona already was here to proclaim gays are going to hell, guys.
Kosovo is Morrowind. N'wah.
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Postby Liberonscien » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:49 pm

Arglorand wrote:
Liberonscien wrote:Are we at the point where we are saying that people are going to hell yet?

We're long past that. We've also survived an Eastern European who defended homophobia against the evil onslaught of Western science.

Aww...I wanted to ask if there was WiFi in h-I mean that's good news.
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:49 pm

Jesse James Harris wrote:
Dragoria wrote: How 'bout we just legalize it, and then the people who don't like same-sex marriage don't have to marry anyone the same sex as them if they don't want to?

I believe either let people vote and let the state legalize it or not, or leave it up to the churches.

This is dumb. Why should other peoples' opinion interfere in the civil rights of queer* and trans* people who are not necessarily religious or conservative in a moral-agnostic secular liberal democracy where law is written to confer neutrality rather than tyranny by majority?
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Postby Arglorand » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:49 pm

Jesse James Harris wrote:
Liriena wrote:You want the churches to control civil marriage? Do you even understand what you are talking about?


To let churches decide if they want to allow the people who want to get married, then yes. They perform it, so they should decide.

No, they don't.

Civil marriage has nothing to do with churches. Church marriage does. Not civil marriage.
Kosovo is Morrowind. N'wah.
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Postby Caecuser » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:49 pm

Jesse James Harris wrote:
Liriena wrote:You want the churches to control civil marriage? Do you even understand what you are talking about?


To let churches decide if they want to allow the people who want to get married, then yes. They perform it, so they should decide.


No, no they don't.

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