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Postby Luveria » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:31 pm

Novia Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
DesAnges wrote:Stop blaming me for things :(


I'm sorry Des! D':

Liriena wrote:To be fair, Russian is kind of an ugly language, so don't expect me, of all people, to try to understand it. :P


Russian is a sexy language. Especially on the women :3


I like the accents.

Northern Commonwealth wrote:I could refer to thousands sources but they're all in Russian. I think its pretty obvious you won't find any reliable ones in English because of your different cultural views and propaganda. Okay, I'm done here
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Actually, here's one source


YouTube is not a source.

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Postby Liriena » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:31 pm

Novia Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
DesAnges wrote:Stop blaming me for things :(


I'm sorry Des! D':

Liriena wrote:To be fair, Russian is kind of an ugly language, so don't expect me, of all people, to try to understand it. :P


Russian is a sexy language. Especially on the women :3

I honestly think Portuguese is as smoothly sexy as it gets. :3
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Postby NERVUN » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:31 pm

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Sri Tschow wrote:No, please. We'd love to see them. I'm sure at least someone here speaks Russian, and if not, Google Translate can give us the gist of things.

Okay, here you go

Got it.

Ok, take that warning and make it a vacation. *** One day ban for trolling ***.
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:31 pm

Liriena wrote:I honestly wasn't expecting this... and just a couple of days away from my birthday! :lol:

At the sight of this thread I thought "WTF... did I became gay people's Lain/Madoka or something?"
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Postby Gaelic Celtia » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:32 pm

Northern Commonwealth wrote:
Dragoria wrote:Pretty sad that in your country the government is so out of it's mind that it's considered acceptable to tell people they don't deserve the same rights as other people just because you don't like who they'd share said rights with, even when it hurts no-one and has absolutely no impact whatsoever on anyone besides the two individuals involved.

It's just a silly Western fashion to be gay these days. In our culture, there is no such thing as respect towards mentally sick people such as gays, in past they used to be simply sent into a psychological clinic, but because of your influence they aren't anymore. Why in the world if one thinks he's Napoleon he's considered mentally ill but if one thinks he's a woman he gets more rights than a normal human? Western people should stop being so intolerant towards other cultures after all, live the way you want until you rot but just leave us alone!

"You're intolerant for being intolerant of my intolerance!"
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Postby Bodobol » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:32 pm

Dragoria wrote:
Lost heros wrote:Technically, China and Japan are West of the US.
And Russia is West (also northish) of China/Japan, therefore Western Science applies in Russia.
What do I win?


You win one free homosexuality.
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Postby Liriena » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:32 pm

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:
Liriena wrote:I honestly wasn't expecting this... and just a couple of days away from my birthday! :lol:

At the sight of this thread I thought "WTF... did I became gay people's Lain/Madoka or something?"

:p :hug:
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Postby Novia Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:33 pm

Luveria wrote:
Novia Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
I'm sorry Des! D':



Russian is a sexy language. Especially on the women :3


I like the accents.

Northern Commonwealth wrote:I could refer to thousands sources but they're all in Russian. I think its pretty obvious you won't find any reliable ones in English because of your different cultural views and propaganda. Okay, I'm done here
(Image)
Actually, here's one source


YouTube is not a source.


Everyone loves the Russian accents.

Liriena wrote:
Novia Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
I'm sorry Des! D':



Russian is a sexy language. Especially on the women :3

I honestly think Portuguese is as smoothly sexy as it gets. :3


Nah, that obviously goes to the Spanish :P
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Postby Arglorand » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:33 pm

Gaelic Celtia wrote:
Northern Commonwealth wrote:It's just a silly Western fashion to be gay these days. In our culture, there is no such thing as respect towards mentally sick people such as gays, in past they used to be simply sent into a psychological clinic, but because of your influence they aren't anymore. Why in the world if one thinks he's Napoleon he's considered mentally ill but if one thinks he's a woman he gets more rights than a normal human? Western people should stop being so intolerant towards other cultures after all, live the way you want until you rot but just leave us alone!

"You're intolerant for being intolerant of my intolerance!"

It's a remarkably common thing in Eastern Europe to present our homophobia and sexism as a cultural thing that the degenerate Westerner simply does not respect out of disdain for our nation's traditions.
Kosovo is Morrowind. N'wah.
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Postby Liriena » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:34 pm

Arglorand wrote:
Liriena wrote:To be fair, Russian is kind of an ugly language, so don't expect me, of all people, to try to understand it. :P

Чушь, Лирена. Просто чушь.

Это также бельмо на глазу. :p
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An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
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Postby Liriena » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:35 pm

Arglorand wrote:
Gaelic Celtia wrote:"You're intolerant for being intolerant of my intolerance!"

It's a remarkably common thing in Eastern Europe to present our homophobia and sexism as a cultural thing that the degenerate Westerner simply does not respect out of disdain for our nation's traditions.

Indeed.

Anyway, good job, judge Whateveryournameis!
be gay do crime


I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
cynicism


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Postby Arglorand » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:35 pm

Liriena wrote:
Arglorand wrote:Чушь, Лирена. Просто чушь.

Это также бельмо на глазу. :p

I actually did not know one word of that.

I guess this is a sign I should watch more Canadian cartoons translated into Russian.
Kosovo is Morrowind. N'wah.
Impeach Dagoth Ur, legalise Daedra worship, the Empire is theft. Nerevarine 3E 427.

Pros: Dunmeri independence, abolition of the Empire, the Daedra, Morag Tong, House Redoran, Ashlander interests, abolitionism, Dissident Priests, canonisation of St. Jiub the Cliff Racer Slayer.
Cons: Imperials, the Empire, the False Tribunal, Dagoth Ur, House Hlaalu, Imperials, the Eight Divines, "Talos", "Nords", Imperial unionism, Imperials.

I am a: Social Democrat | Bright green | Republican | Intersectional feminist | Civic nationalist | Multiculturalist
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Postby Liriena » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:35 pm

Arglorand wrote:
Liriena wrote:Это также бельмо на глазу. :p

I actually did not know one word of that.

I guess this is a sign I should watch more Canadian cartoons translated into Russian.

:p
be gay do crime


I am:
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An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
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Postby Dragoria » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:35 pm

Bodobol wrote:
Dragoria wrote: And Russia is West (also northish) of China/Japan, therefore Western Science applies in Russia.
What do I win?


You win one free homosexuality.
Oh, gosh. I...I don't know what to say.
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Postby Jesse James Harris » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:37 pm

Liriena wrote:
Jesse James Harris wrote:I oppose gay marriage. But, if the majority of people in the state supports and votes for the legalization of gay marriage and it passes, then I am ok with it. I believe it should be left up to the states.

Since when are minority rights a popularity contest?

Also, why should marriage be left up to the states? Do you realize the sort of legal clusterfuck that can cause?


We all hold different opinions. I have mine, you have yours. I respect everyones opinion even if I oppose it. It should be left up to the states because I believe that people should have the right to vote for what they believe in.

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Postby Gaelic Celtia » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:37 pm

Arglorand wrote:
Gaelic Celtia wrote:"You're intolerant for being intolerant of my intolerance!"

It's a remarkably common thing in Eastern Europe to present our homophobia and sexism as a cultural thing that the degenerate Westerner simply does not respect out of disdain for our nation's traditions.

They Gay is a virus released by the US during the cold war to weaken strong Russian Bear *nods*
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Postby DesAnges » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:37 pm

Novia Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
DesAnges wrote:Stop blaming me for things :(


I'm sorry Des! D':

You're dead to me.
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:38 pm

Liriena wrote:I honestly think Portuguese is as smoothly sexy as it gets. :3

You think Russian ugly and Portuguese sexy? Next you tell me the funny hat of His Holiness is that fruit hat thingy Carmen Miranda used. :P
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Postby Dragoria » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:38 pm

Jesse James Harris wrote:
Liriena wrote:Since when are minority rights a popularity contest?

Also, why should marriage be left up to the states? Do you realize the sort of legal clusterfuck that can cause?


We all hold different opinions. I have mine, you have yours. I respect everyones opinion even if I oppose it. It should be left up to the states because I believe that people should have the right to vote for what they believe in.
How 'bout we just legalize it, and then the people who don't like same-sex marriage don't have to marry anyone the same sex as them if they don't want to?
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Postby Pandeeria » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:38 pm

Gaelic Celtia wrote:
Arglorand wrote:It's a remarkably common thing in Eastern Europe to present our homophobia and sexism as a cultural thing that the degenerate Westerner simply does not respect out of disdain for our nation's traditions.

They Gay is a virus released by the US during the cold war to weaken strong Russian Bear *nods*


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In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby DesAnges » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:39 pm

Dragoria wrote:
Jesse James Harris wrote:
We all hold different opinions. I have mine, you have yours. I respect everyones opinion even if I oppose it. It should be left up to the states because I believe that people should have the right to vote for what they believe in.
How 'bout we just legalize it, and then the people who don't like same-sex marriage don't have to marry anyone the same sex as them if they don't want to?

Wait, that's not what the SSM bills will do? Sven's going to be so upset when I tell him we have to break up.
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Postby Jesse James Harris » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:39 pm

Dragoria wrote:
Jesse James Harris wrote:I oppose gay marriage. But, if the majority of people in the state supports and votes for the legalization of gay marriage and it passes, then I am ok with it. I believe it should be left up to the states.
Wait... Why are you only ok with it after it's legalized?


I oppose it, but I believe if the majority of people who vote for it, it should be legal. I'll still oppose it, but I can't let my opinion rule over everyone elses opinions. That's just not fair.

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Postby Liriena » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:40 pm

Jesse James Harris wrote:It should be left up to the states because I believe that people should have the right to vote for what they believe in.

Then, should a racist majority have the right to vote in favour of slavery and against interracial marriage?
be gay do crime


I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
cynicism


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Postby Novia Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:40 pm

DesAnges wrote:
Novia Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
I'm sorry Des! D':

You're dead to me.


But...I love you! :'(
u wot m8

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Postby Pandeeria » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:40 pm

Jesse James Harris wrote:
Liriena wrote:Since when are minority rights a popularity contest?

Also, why should marriage be left up to the states? Do you realize the sort of legal clusterfuck that can cause?


We all hold different opinions. I have mine, you have yours. I respect everyones opinion even if I oppose it. It should be left up to the states because I believe that people should have the right to vote for what they believe in.


States shouldn't have major power.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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