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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Dec 21, 2013 8:38 am

Grenartia wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:I'd be truly amazed if Texas legalized with a Republican governor. I'd probably suffer a seizure if Rick Perry changed his mind.
Mavorpen wrote:Liberals in Texas need to organize better.


Might want to look at the edit.

And yeah, Mav, we need to organize better in all the red states. But progress isn't as far away as we think, especially in states we think its least likely to happen soon in.

On the bright side, since this is Texas, if Democrats gain control, they'll probably end up dominating the legislature.That is, if our historical record continues of having one party dominate.
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Postby Dyakovo » Sat Dec 21, 2013 9:53 am

Ashmoria wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Some will probably just become taller, hairier children. But then, that's true of everyone, regardless of being adopted or the sexuality of one's parents.


lol

now i have the mental image of an oversized, bearded 3 year old.

I knew you were obsessed with me... ;)
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Postby Maineiacs » Sat Dec 21, 2013 10:51 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Mainly because the perception is that despite those facts, many of the most prominent anti-LGBT icons are Texan.

Liberals in Texas need to organize better.



Better? Liberals in Texas haven't been organized at all since Ann Richards left office.
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Postby Bolrieg » Sat Dec 21, 2013 10:53 am

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Postby Northern Commonwealth » Sat Dec 21, 2013 10:57 am

Sad news :(

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Postby Dyakovo » Sat Dec 21, 2013 10:59 am

Northern Commonwealth wrote:Sad news :(

Hardly.
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Postby Northern Commonwealth » Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:01 am

Dyakovo wrote:Hardly.

Well thank God that in my country, Russia, government is still not out of its mind regarding gay laws. (pretty f*cked up in the other ways though :P)

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Postby Desperate Measures » Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:05 am

Northern Commonwealth wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Hardly.

Well thank God that in my country, Russia, government is still not out of its mind regarding gay laws. (pretty f*cked up in the other ways though :P)

Don't worry. They'll catch up.
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Postby Dyakovo » Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:06 am

Northern Commonwealth wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Hardly.

Well thank God that in my country, Russia, government is still not out of its mind regarding gay laws. (pretty f*cked up in the other ways though :P)

Actually, they most certainly are out of their minds.
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Postby Kelinfort » Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:06 am

Northern Commonwealth wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Hardly.

Well thank God that in my country, Russia, government is still not out of its mind regarding gay laws. (pretty f*cked up in the other ways though :P)

Only 20 more years :twisted:
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Postby Dragoria » Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:07 am

Northern Commonwealth wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Hardly.

Well thank God that in my country, Russia, government is still not out of its mind regarding gay laws. (pretty f*cked up in the other ways though :P)
Pretty sad that in your country the government is so out of it's mind that it's considered acceptable to tell people they don't deserve the same rights as other people just because you don't like who they'd share said rights with, even when it hurts no-one and has absolutely no impact whatsoever on anyone besides the two individuals involved.
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Postby Northern Commonwealth » Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:07 am

Desperate Measures wrote:
Northern Commonwealth wrote:
Don't worry. They'll catch up.

Hopefully not. Besides, recent events indicate the exact opposite ;)
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Postby Arglorand » Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:09 am

Desperate Measures wrote:
Northern Commonwealth wrote:Well thank God that in my country, Russia, government is still not out of its mind regarding gay laws. (pretty f*cked up in the other ways though :P)

Don't worry. They'll catch up.

They won't.

Different government maybe will after the old generation dies out and more liberal views take hold of society. Current one - not in a million years. Batshit government is batshit.
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Postby Fascist Russian Empire » Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:10 am

Northern Commonwealth wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Hardly.

Well thank God that in my country, Russia, government is still not out of its mind regarding gay laws. (pretty f*cked up in the other ways though :P)

:palm: Russia is a fucking tyranny and deserves no praise.

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Postby Blasveck » Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:11 am

Northern Commonwealth wrote:
Desperate Measures wrote:Don't worry. They'll catch up.

Hopefully not. Besides, recent events indicate the exact opposite ;)

You say that as if its a good thing.

Taking away people's rights and all. Funnily enough, the Russian government does that all the time to everyone else, so I'm sure you know how it feels.
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Postby Kelinfort » Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:11 am

Arglorand wrote:
Desperate Measures wrote:Don't worry. They'll catch up.

They won't.

Different government maybe will after the old generation dies out and more liberal views take hold of society. Current one - not in a million years. Batshit government is batshit.

Wait one generation, it'll be a major debate there.

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Postby Desperate Measures » Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:11 am

Arglorand wrote:
Desperate Measures wrote:Don't worry. They'll catch up.

They won't.

Different government maybe will after the old generation dies out and more liberal views take hold of society. Current one - not in a million years.

Well, I didn't really give it a time frame.
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Postby Arglorand » Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:13 am

Kelinfort wrote:
Arglorand wrote:They won't.

Different government maybe will after the old generation dies out and more liberal views take hold of society. Current one - not in a million years. Batshit government is batshit.

Wait one generation, it'll be a major debate there.

It already is a major debate. A highly one-sided one where 80% of the population think gay pride parades should be banned.

There needs to be a generational change and an end to the authoritarianism (neither of which can happen without the other), then we can talk about gay rights even happening in Russia, the Caucasus and Central Asia.
Kosovo is Morrowind. N'wah.
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Cons: Imperials, the Empire, the False Tribunal, Dagoth Ur, House Hlaalu, Imperials, the Eight Divines, "Talos", "Nords", Imperial unionism, Imperials.

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Postby Northern Commonwealth » Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:14 am

Dragoria wrote:Pretty sad that in your country the government is so out of it's mind that it's considered acceptable to tell people they don't deserve the same rights as other people just because you don't like who they'd share said rights with, even when it hurts no-one and has absolutely no impact whatsoever on anyone besides the two individuals involved.

It's just a silly Western fashion to be gay these days. In our culture, there is no such thing as respect towards mentally sick people such as gays, in past they used to be simply sent into a psychological clinic, but because of your influence they aren't anymore. Why in the world if one thinks he's Napoleon he's considered mentally ill but if one thinks he's a woman he gets more rights than a normal human? Western people should stop being so intolerant towards other cultures after all, live the way you want until you rot but just leave us alone!
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Postby Aeken » Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:15 am

Northern Commonwealth wrote:
Dragoria wrote:

It's just a silly Western fashion to be gay these days. In our culture, there is no such thing as respect towards mentally sick people such as gays, in past they used to be simply sent into a psychological clinic, but because of your influence they aren't anymore. Why in the world if one thinks he's Napoleon he's considered mentally ill but if one thinks he's a woman he gets more rights than a normal human? Western people should stop being so intolerant towards other cultures after all, live the way you want until you rot but just leave us alone!

Wow.

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Postby Blasveck » Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:16 am

Northern Commonwealth wrote:
Dragoria wrote:

It's just a silly Western fashion to be gay these days. In our culture, there is no such thing as respect towards mentally sick people such as gays, in past they used to be simply sent into a psychological clinic, but because of your influence they aren't anymore. Why in the world if one thinks he's Napoleon he's considered mentally ill but if one thinks he's a woman he gets more rights than a normal human? Western people should stop being so intolerant towards other cultures after all, live the way you want until you rot but just leave us alone!

Ah, your factually incorrect opinions.

They're so silly.
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Postby Desperate Measures » Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:16 am

Northern Commonwealth wrote:
Dragoria wrote:

It's just a silly Western fashion to be gay these days. In our culture, there is no such thing as respect towards mentally sick people such as gays, in past they used to be simply sent into a psychological clinic, but because of your influence they aren't anymore. Why in the world if one thinks he's Napoleon he's considered mentally ill but if one thinks he's a woman he gets more rights than a normal human? Western people should stop being so intolerant towards other cultures after all, live the way you want until you rot but just leave us alone!

What are these additional rights over straight people that gay people desire?
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Postby Arglorand » Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:16 am

Northern Commonwealth wrote:
Dragoria wrote:

It's just a silly Western fashion to be gay these days. In our culture, there is no such thing as respect towards mentally sick people such as gays, in past they used to be simply sent into a psychological clinic, but because of your influence they aren't anymore. Why in the world if one thinks he's Napoleon he's considered mentally ill but if one thinks he's a woman he gets more rights than a normal human? Western people should stop being so intolerant towards other cultures after all, live the way you want until you rot but just leave us alone!

I love how you assume there are no Russians who are gay and want you to respect them and it's all a silly Western invention. There is nothing in Russian culture that says one must inherently hate gays.
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Impeach Dagoth Ur, legalise Daedra worship, the Empire is theft. Nerevarine 3E 427.

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Cons: Imperials, the Empire, the False Tribunal, Dagoth Ur, House Hlaalu, Imperials, the Eight Divines, "Talos", "Nords", Imperial unionism, Imperials.

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Postby Lost heros » Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:16 am

Northern Commonwealth wrote:
Dragoria wrote:

It's just a silly Western fashion to be gay these days. In our culture, there is no such thing as respect towards mentally sick people such as gays, in past they used to be simply sent into a psychological clinic, but because of your influence they aren't anymore. Why in the world if one thinks he's Napoleon he's considered mentally ill but if one thinks he's a woman he gets more rights than a normal human? Western people should stop being so intolerant towards other cultures after all, live the way you want until you rot but just leave us alone!

I think you need to learn more about homosexuality, transgender, gender identity, sexuality, and human rights.
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Postby Dragoria » Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:21 am

Northern Commonwealth wrote:
Dragoria wrote:Pretty sad that in your country the government is so out of it's mind that it's considered acceptable to tell people they don't deserve the same rights as other people just because you don't like who they'd share said rights with, even when it hurts no-one and has absolutely no impact whatsoever on anyone besides the two individuals involved.

It's just a silly Western fashion to be gay these days. In our culture, there is no such thing as respect towards mentally sick people such as gays, in past they used to be simply sent into a psychological clinic, but because of your influence they aren't anymore. Why in the world if one thinks he's Napoleon he's considered mentally ill but if one thinks he's a woman he gets more rights than a normal human? Western people should stop being so intolerant towards other cultures after all, live the way you want until you rot but just leave us alone!
In a civilized culture, there's respect towards all people because they are people.
Homosexuality isn't a mental illness, it's a sexuality, hence the name, and sexualities have nothing to do with gender identity. And having a non-standard gender identity is not mental illness either.
Yes, we should stop allowing people to live their lives when they're not hurting anyone and instead allow hateful bigots to lock up, harass, abuse, and even murder people whose lifestyles they don't like because "it's their culture".
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