Texas EduBoard won't put creationism in textbooks, after all

[East Ormania]

I believe in evolution, but i must say that putting only evolutionism on a textbook is kinda alienating the child. Show them both, have an unbiased discussion with the students, and let them choose wichever they want.

1: It isn't "evolutionism".
2: One of them is a scientific theory and should be taught in science classes, the other is bronze age mythology and should only be taught in church.

1-Sorry for the typo-i'm feeling myself a piece of shit after spending 22 hours without sleep-it is much too me.
2-It is a question of belief. One should be given the right to believe in what one wants, despite it being bronze-age or not. If i wanted to believe that pigs could fly, and that a pig with wings is the allmighty god, i'd have the right to.

[Frisivisia]

1: It isn't "evolutionism".
2: One of them is a scientific theory and should be taught in science classes, the other is bronze age mythology and should only be taught in church.

1-Sorry for the typo-i'm feeling myself a piece of shit after spending 22 hours without sleep-it is much too me.
2-It is a question of belief. One should be given the right to believe in what one wants, despite it being bronze-age or not. If i wanted to believe that pigs could fly, and that a pig with wings is the allmighty god, i'd have the right to.

2. And nobody's saying you can't, we're just saying we shouldn't teach that pigs can fly in schools.

[Mavorpen]

1: It isn't "evolutionism".
2: One of them is a scientific theory and should be taught in science classes, the other is bronze age mythology and should only be taught in church.

1-Sorry for the typo-i'm feeling myself a piece of shit after spending 22 hours without sleep-it is much too me.
2-It is a question of belief. One should be given the right to believe in what one wants, despite it being bronze-age or not. If i wanted to believe that pigs could fly, and that a pig with wings is the allmighty god, i'd have the right to.

It's a good thing that no one is preventing you from believing that, then.

[The Alma Mater]

1: It isn't "evolutionism".
2: One of them is a scientific theory and should be taught in science classes, the other is bronze age mythology and should only be taught in church.

1-Sorry for the typo-i'm feeling myself a piece of shit after spending 22 hours without sleep-it is much too me.
2-It is a question of belief. One should be given the right to believe in what one wants, despite it being bronze-age or not. If i wanted to believe that pigs could fly, and that a pig with wings is the allmighty god, i'd have the right to.

Correct. Yet your belief is no reason to allow "pigplanes" to be a topic in a physics class, let alone give it equal time to the workings of e.g. helicopters and cars.

[Dyakovo]

1: It isn't "evolutionism".
2: One of them is a scientific theory and should be taught in science classes, the other is bronze age mythology and should only be taught in church.

1-Sorry for the typo-i'm feeling myself a piece of shit after spending 22 hours without sleep-it is much too me.
2-It is a question of belief. One should be given the right to believe in what one wants, despite it being bronze-age or not. If i wanted to believe that pigs could fly, and that a pig with wings is the allmighty god, i'd have the right to.

Teaching science in science class isn't preventing anyone from believing what they want.

[East Ormania]

*not quoting everybody*

I do think it will not go in the way of education, but more conservative parents will. Ans some kids might change their beliefs because Evolution seems more plausible.
What would happen if a kid asks his science teacher if it is possible to create people from mud? Will the teacher respond "No, for creationism is a lie"?

[Mavorpen]

*not quoting everybody*

I do think it will not go in the way of education, but more conservative parents will. Ans some kids might change their beliefs because Evolution seems more plausible.
What would happen if a kid asks his science teacher if it is possible to create people from mud? Will the teacher respond "No, for creationism is a lie"?

...Yes.

What, do you want teachers to blatantly lie to children?

[East Ormania]

*not quoting everybody*

I do think it will not go in the way of education, but more conservative parents will. Ans some kids might change their beliefs because Evolution seems more plausible.
What would happen if a kid asks his science teacher if it is possible to create people from mud? Will the teacher respond "No, for creationism is a lie"?

...Yes.

What, do you want teachers to blatantly lie to children?

One should, however, stay out of the question. It'd be the same as if i approached a small kid and said "Hey, santa doesn't exist. It is impossible for an old, fat man to visit everybody in the world, wich has 7 billion people i must point out, and handle them presents. Imagine the huge logistical problems of that! Imagine having to dodge bullets from warzones such as Chechnya or Somalia!!
Are you dumb? Did you seriously believe in that load of crap?"

[Mavorpen]

One should, however, stay out of the question. It'd be the same as if i approached a small kid and said "Hey, santa doesn't exist.

No, because unlike in your previous example, a kid isn't directly asking you the question.

Could you make your hypotheticals SOMEWHAT consistent?

[Hurdegaryp]

...Yes.

What, do you want teachers to blatantly lie to children?

One should, however, stay out of the question. It'd be the same as if i approached a small kid and said "Hey, santa doesn't exist. It is impossible for an old, fat man to visit everybody in the world, wich has 7 billion people i must point out, and handle them presents. Imagine the huge logistical problems of that! Imagine having to dodge bullets from warzones such as Chechnya or Somalia!!
Are you dumb? Did you seriously believe in that load of crap?"

So what you're saying is that every creationist has the mindset of a small child. Good to know.

[The Alma Mater]

...Yes.

What, do you want teachers to blatantly lie to children?

One should, however, stay out of the question. It'd be the same as if i approached a small kid and said "Hey, santa doesn't exist. It is impossible for an old, fat man to visit everybody in the world, wich has 7 billion people i must point out, and handle them presents. Imagine the huge logistical problems of that! Imagine having to dodge bullets from warzones such as Chechnya or Somalia!!
Are you dumb? Did you seriously believe in that load of crap?"

Then again, would you like to be operated by a doctor who was never told his belief in little leprechauns living in peoples stomachs was incorrect ?

[East Ormania]

One should, however, stay out of the question. It'd be the same as if i approached a small kid and said "Hey, santa doesn't exist. It is impossible for an old, fat man to visit everybody in the world, wich has 7 billion people i must point out, and handle them presents. Imagine the huge logistical problems of that! Imagine having to dodge bullets from warzones such as Chechnya or Somalia!!
Are you dumb? Did you seriously believe in that load of crap?"

So what you're saying is that every creationist has the mindset of a small child. Good to know.

I am not. I am saying that teaching only evolution in schools drive kids' opinion to only a single way in school. As someone poited out earlier, my hypothetical example was terribly unconsistent.
If anything, my mother is a creationist, and it would have been a terrible insult to say that she has a child's mindset.

[Regnum Dominae]

So what you're saying is that every creationist has the mindset of a small child. Good to know.

I am not. I am saying that teaching only evolution in schools drive kids' opinion to only a single way in school. As someone poited out earlier, my hypothetical example was terribly unconsistent.
If anything, my mother is a creationist, and it would have been a terrible insult to say that she has a child's mindset.

As it should be.

Students should be taught scientific fact, not magical myths.

[Terra Sector Union]

I am not. I am saying that teaching only evolution in schools drive kids' opinion to only a single way in school. As someone poited out earlier, my hypothetical example was terribly unconsistent.
If anything, my mother is a creationist, and it would have been a terrible insult to say that she has a child's mindset.

As it should be.

Students should be taught scientific fact, not magical myths.

Who says its really myth? 500 years ago, going to the moon is a joke.

[Lost heros]

As it should be.

Students should be taught scientific fact, not magical myths.

Who says its really myth? 500 years ago, going to the moon is a joke.

Are you really equating an antiquated notion from the viewpoint of the modern world to an impressive scientific achievement from the viewpoint of the renaissance?

[Dyakovo]

As it should be.

Students should be taught scientific fact, not magical myths.

Who says its really myth? 500 years ago, going to the moon is a joke.

The definition of a myth says it is a myth.

a traditional story, especially one concerning the early history of a people or explaining some natural or social phenomenon, and typically involving supernatural beings or events.

[Mavorpen]

As it should be.

Students should be taught scientific fact, not magical myths.

Who says its really myth? 500 years ago, going to the moon is a joke.

...And?

[Mavorpen]

So what you're saying is that every creationist has the mindset of a small child. Good to know.

I am not. I am saying that teaching only evolution in schools drive kids' opinion to only a single way in school.

That's a good thing.

Having a doctor believing that the liver pumps blood rather than the heart, isn't a good thing.

[Neuhausen]

You simply can't beat science. Beating religious people in every argument since dawn of time.

[Blasted Craigs]

If one mentions creationism as a possibility, should one not also list The Prose Edda, the Norse creation theory(myth)?
I mean, saying that the Earth came about because the lands of fire and ice touched they created a giant named Ymir and from the sweat of Ymir's armpits the first man and woman were made has the same legitimacy as creationism, and in my opinion they are both equally factual.
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No, that most definately is not what creationists want. Because then it is no longer a question of "both sides of the argument", but "this opinion out of millions". Which means they can no longer just bash evolution but have to come up with something of value of their own.

Actually, that is my point.
If one allows creationism, a myth claiming to be the truth because someone believes it is the truth, then one opens the door for all myths to be taught, as any myth has the same factual basis as creationism. I am a firm believer science and religion do not mix, and to try to mix the two is like saying wishes are real because one believes, and expecting this to be taught as science fact in school.

[Abarrach]

Thanks "God"!!!!

[New Connorstantinople]

I would like to see Creationism mentioned as a theory, but point out that evidense of Evolution is stronger. Mention that both are theories and no one knows for sure. I do suppose that this is a good thing however.

[OMGeverynameistaken]

You simply can't beat science. Beating religious people in every argument since dawn of time.

You do realize that until very recently (relatively speaking,) virtually all scientists (or the nearest equivalent available) were clergymen of one sort or another?

[Libertarian California]

Now will they put Thomas Jefferson back in?

[Frisivisia]

Maybe we should put creationism in textbooks, we've got scientific evidence of resurrection right in this thread.