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Postby The Scientific States » Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:28 pm

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Liriena wrote:It's a science class. Creationism is not a valid scientific theory (in fact, it's anything but, since it relies on supernatural elements and mythology).

There's is some evidence for it.


No, there isn't a shred of evidence for creationism.
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Postby UED » Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:28 pm

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Need a name wrote:I think it is bad, I wish they would at least mention creationism as a possibility.


You're right. :roll:

I agree creationism is a possibility, we all know that the Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe and Earth, before Earth has created the universe was nothing but Lasagna(blech).

After 7 days, The Flying Spaghetti Monster created Breadsticks to inhabit the earth, and those breadsticks evolved into humans. That's my interpretation of creationism, so we MUST teach it.


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Postby The Corparation » Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:30 pm

Liriena wrote:
Need a name wrote:That's just young earth creationism that says the earth is like 6,000 years old.

Old Earth creationism is not a valid theory either.

Honestly Old Earth Creationsim has never really bothered me much. It basically just amounts to saying x happened cuz god. Where x is anything that has to do with evolution or the creation of the universe/planet. Which while it doesn't belong in the classroom is infinitely preferable to YEC nonsense.
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Postby Need a Name » Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:30 pm

The Scientific States wrote:
Need a name wrote:I think it is bad, I wish they would at least mention creationism as a possibility.


You're right. :roll:

I agree creationism is a possibility, we all know that the Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe and Earth, before Earth has created the universe was nothing but Lasagna(blech).

After 7 days, The Flying Spaghetti Monster created Breadsticks to inhabit the earth, and those breadsticks evolved into humans. That's my interpretation of creationism, so we MUST teach it.

Ugh, just ugh. But this is what I think of evolution.
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Postby Ixzara » Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:31 pm

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Need a name wrote:I think it is bad, I wish they would at least mention creationism as a possibility.


You're right. :roll:

I agree creationism is a possibility, we all know that the Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe and Earth, before Earth has created the universe was nothing but Lasagna(blech).

After 7 days, The Flying Spaghetti Monster created Breadsticks to inhabit the earth, and those breadsticks evolved into humans. That's my interpretation of creationism, so we MUST teach it.

Lies!!! We all know the Earth was a creation of Chaos deciding to take a big dump in our general, present day location. The evidence is unquestionable! Earth is brown, and shit is brown!!! This is irrefutable fact! And we all know the sun came to be because Chaos lit a cigarette on the toilet while he was dropping a deuce that just so happened to contain some flammable gas!
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:31 pm

Need a name wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:It's not even a possibility. We know that the universe is billions of years old, and we know that evolution is real.

That's just young earth creationism that says the earth is like 6,000 years old.

Young Earth Creationism is pure conjecture that does not belong anywhere near a science class.

All the scientific knowledge and data we have about the origins of the universe says nothing about a "god", so why must this "god" of yours be forced into it?
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Postby The Corparation » Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:32 pm

Liriena wrote:
Need a name wrote:There's is some evidence for it.

Such as?

inb4 Teh holly bibel.
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:32 pm

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Regnum Dominae wrote:Are you saying that the decision to reject creationism is good or bad? I can't tell.

I think it is bad, I wish they would at least mention creationism as a possibility.

Ahh, you're one of those "teach the controversy" people.

"Teach the Controversy"? Well, what about all those other controversial debates that students need to receive an unbiased perspective on?

Shouldn't students be taught phlogiston theory alongside combustion as a competing theory? Teach the Controversy!

Shouldn't students be taught the classical elemental theory of earth, water, fire, air, and aether alongside modern atomic theory as a competing theory? Teach the Controversy!

Shouldn't students be taught the theory of the four humours alongside germ theory as a competing theory? Teach the Controversy!

Shouldn't students be taught the ancient alien hypothesis alongside proven history as a competing theory? Teach the Controversy!

Shouldn't students be taught the Theory of Intelligent Falling alonside gravity as a competing theory? Teach the Controversy!

Shouldn't students be taught alchemy alongside modern chemistry as a competing theory? Teach the Controversy!

Shouldn't students be taught geocentrism alongside modern astronomy as a competing theory? Teach the Controversy!

Shouldn't students be taught Flat Earth theory alongside modern knowledge of the Earth's shape as a competing theory? Teach the Controversy!

Shouldn't students be taught both sides of the Holocaust debate? Teach the Controversy!

Shouldn't students be taught Time Cube as a competing theory? Teach the Controversy!

Shouldn't students be taught magic alongside physics as a competing theory? Teach the Controversy!

Shouldn't students be taught phrenology alongside neurobiology as a competing theory? Teach the Controversy!

Shouldn't students be taught the demon theory of disease alongside modern biology as a competing theory? Teach the Controversy!

Shouldn't students be taught turtle cosmology alongside the big bang as a competing theory? Teach the Controversy!

Shouldn't students be taught perpetual motion alongside the laws of thermodynamics as a competing theory? Teach the Controversy!

Shouldn't students be taught quantum homeopathy alongside evidence-based medicine as a competing theory? Teach the Controversy!

Do you have any idea how fucking stupid that idea is?
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Postby The Scientific States » Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:32 pm

Need a name wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:
You're right. :roll:

I agree creationism is a possibility, we all know that the Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe and Earth, before Earth has created the universe was nothing but Lasagna(blech).

After 7 days, The Flying Spaghetti Monster created Breadsticks to inhabit the earth, and those breadsticks evolved into humans. That's my interpretation of creationism, so we MUST teach it.

Ugh, just ugh.


Why ugh? I'm just stating my opinion, there's evidence for it.

Why do breadsticks still exist?

You can't explain that!
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:32 pm

Need a name wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:
You're right. :roll:

I agree creationism is a possibility, we all know that the Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe and Earth, before Earth has created the universe was nothing but Lasagna(blech).

After 7 days, The Flying Spaghetti Monster created Breadsticks to inhabit the earth, and those breadsticks evolved into humans. That's my interpretation of creationism, so we MUST teach it.

Ugh, just ugh. But this is what I think of evolution.
http://bloviatingzeppelin.net/wp-conten ... theism.jpg

Yes, it does.

I don't think you know anything about physics or cosmology.
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Postby Ixzara » Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:33 pm

The Scientific States wrote:
Need a name wrote:Ugh, just ugh.


Why ugh? I'm just stating my opinion, there's evidence for it.

Why do breadsticks still exist?

You can't explain that!

Italians?
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:34 pm

Need a name wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:
You're right. :roll:

I agree creationism is a possibility, we all know that the Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe and Earth, before Earth has created the universe was nothing but Lasagna(blech).

After 7 days, The Flying Spaghetti Monster created Breadsticks to inhabit the earth, and those breadsticks evolved into humans. That's my interpretation of creationism, so we MUST teach it.

Ugh, just ugh. But this is what I think of evolution.
http://bloviatingzeppelin.net/wp-conten ... theism.jpg

The evidence disagrees with you.

http://anthro.palomar.edu/evolve/evolve_3.htm
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/
http://www.txtwriter.com/backgrounders/ ... tents.html
http://bioweb.cs.earlham.edu/9-12/evolu ... /live.html
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... 0/lines_01
http://www.nature.com/nature/newspdf/evolutiongems.pdf
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... _tiktaalik
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... /devitt_01
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... history_23
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... history_16
http://www.allaboutcreation.org/evidenc ... lution.htm
http://www.nyu.edu/projects/fitch/cours ... dence.html
http://www.imls.uzh.ch/research/noll/pu ... 73_785.pdf
http://www.cell.com/developmental-cell/ ... 0703003253
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.gate.net/~rwms/hum_ape_chrom.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/07/scien ... .html?_r=1
http://jhered.oxfordjournals.org/content/91/3/221
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 1006000526
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/310/5746/287
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.evolutionpages.com/chromosome_2.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-WAHpC0Ah0
http://www.indiana.edu/~ensiweb/lessons/molb.ws.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v4 ... 331a0.html
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 050603.php
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 071801.php
http://www.scripps.edu/newsandviews/e_20060327/evo.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://scienceray.com/biology/zoology/a ... maritimus/
http://facstaff.gpc.edu/~pgore/geology/ ... vation.pdf
http://www.nmsr.org/nylon.htm
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc ... l#atavisms
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Postby Liriena » Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:34 pm

The Corparation wrote:
Liriena wrote:Such as?

inb4 Teh holly bibel.

Reading through RationalWiki's articles on creationism and the Flood...
Interestingly, some 19th century Japanese scholars, most notably Hirata Atsutane and Motoori Norinaga, used the global flood legends of other parts of the world to argue for the supremacy of the Japanese gods and Japanese people, who have no flood story.[35] They claimed that the fact that Japan experienced no flood showed that it was both the highest point on Earth and, combined with other factors, also the 'centre', insofar as the surface of a globe has one, making it the closest place on Earth to the realm of the gods. This to them demonstrated the veracity of the Japanese creation myth, in which Japan comes first and foremost.

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Postby The Scientific States » Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:34 pm

Need a name wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:
You're right. :roll:

I agree creationism is a possibility, we all know that the Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe and Earth, before Earth has created the universe was nothing but Lasagna(blech).

After 7 days, The Flying Spaghetti Monster created Breadsticks to inhabit the earth, and those breadsticks evolved into humans. That's my interpretation of creationism, so we MUST teach it.

Ugh, just ugh. But this is what I think of evolution.
http://bloviatingzeppelin.net/wp-conten ... theism.jpg


It does make sense, you clearly didn't pay attention in your science class.
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Postby Need a Name » Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:35 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Need a name wrote:Ugh, just ugh. But this is what I think of evolution.
http://bloviatingzeppelin.net/wp-conten ... theism.jpg

Yes, it does.

I don't think you know anything about physics or cosmology.

Well, I'm gonna leave now, because I really hate debating against 4 people who all post at the same time. Saying similar things which amount to,"You're a creationist? You'r fucking stupid!"
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The Scientific States wrote:
Need a name wrote:Ugh, just ugh. But this is what I think of evolution.
http://bloviatingzeppelin.net/wp-conten ... theism.jpg


It does make sense, you clearly didn't pay attention in your science class.

That or he attends a religious "school".
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Postby The Corparation » Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:35 pm

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Shouldn't students be taught Time Cube as a competing theory? Teach the Controversy!

I wish someone would teach a class on time cube theory. It would make a great course on the evils of bad HTML and shitty website design, and an academic insight into what exact combination of drugs and/or mental illness are needed to come up or comprehend such a batshit insane rant.
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:35 pm

Need a name wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:Yes, it does.

I don't think you know anything about physics or cosmology.

Well, I'm gonna leave now, because I really hate debating against 4 people who all post at the same time. Saying similar things which amount to,"You're a creationist? You'r fucking stupid!"

So you concede?

I've posted evidence:
http://anthro.palomar.edu/evolve/evolve_3.htm
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/
http://www.txtwriter.com/backgrounders/ ... tents.html
http://bioweb.cs.earlham.edu/9-12/evolu ... /live.html
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... 0/lines_01
http://www.nature.com/nature/newspdf/evolutiongems.pdf
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... _tiktaalik
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... /devitt_01
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... history_23
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... history_16
http://www.allaboutcreation.org/evidenc ... lution.htm
http://www.nyu.edu/projects/fitch/cours ... dence.html
http://www.imls.uzh.ch/research/noll/pu ... 73_785.pdf
http://www.cell.com/developmental-cell/ ... 0703003253
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.gate.net/~rwms/hum_ape_chrom.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/07/scien ... .html?_r=1
http://jhered.oxfordjournals.org/content/91/3/221
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 1006000526
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/310/5746/287
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.evolutionpages.com/chromosome_2.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-WAHpC0Ah0
http://www.indiana.edu/~ensiweb/lessons/molb.ws.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v4 ... 331a0.html
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 050603.php
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 071801.php
http://www.scripps.edu/newsandviews/e_20060327/evo.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://scienceray.com/biology/zoology/a ... maritimus/
http://facstaff.gpc.edu/~pgore/geology/ ... vation.pdf
http://www.nmsr.org/nylon.htm
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc ... l#atavisms

And you ignored it.

Refute every single one of those. Until you do, don't expect us to listen to your ridiculous claims about evolution.
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Postby Dakran » Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:36 pm

Need a name wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:
You're right. :roll:

I agree creationism is a possibility, we all know that the Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe and Earth, before Earth has created the universe was nothing but Lasagna(blech).

After 7 days, The Flying Spaghetti Monster created Breadsticks to inhabit the earth, and those breadsticks evolved into humans. That's my interpretation of creationism, so we MUST teach it.

Ugh, just ugh. But this is what I think of evolution.
http://bloviatingzeppelin.net/wp-conten ... theism.jpg


I find it easier to believe a universe appeared from nowhere than a god appeared from nowhere and made a universe from nothing. But eh, that's me.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:36 pm

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The Scientific States wrote:
You're right. :roll:

I agree creationism is a possibility, we all know that the Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe and Earth, before Earth has created the universe was nothing but Lasagna(blech).

After 7 days, The Flying Spaghetti Monster created Breadsticks to inhabit the earth, and those breadsticks evolved into humans. That's my interpretation of creationism, so we MUST teach it.

Ugh, just ugh. But this is what I think of evolution.
http://bloviatingzeppelin.net/wp-conten ... theism.jpg

You can start actually arguing now.
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Postby Ixzara » Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:36 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Need a name wrote:Ugh, just ugh. But this is what I think of evolution.
http://bloviatingzeppelin.net/wp-conten ... theism.jpg

Yes, it does.

I don't think you know anything about physics or cosmology.

The only people that I would argue would actually agree with that are the ones who are the ones least predisposed with agreeing with anything science has to say.
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Postby The Scientific States » Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:37 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:
It does make sense, you clearly didn't pay attention in your science class.

That or he attends a religious "school".


I've been attending Catholic School my entire life, so that could be a possibility.

They taught us creationism and other bullshit in science class.
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