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Postby Ixzara » Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:00 am

Olivaero wrote:
Ixzara wrote:You do realize that NSG has a very well-known bias towards liberalism and science?

Reality has a bias towards science.

Good job the Texas education board recognized this.

Don't give them credit, yet. I lived in the state long enough to realize that for every step forward we took, we took at least 3 back.
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Postby Olivaero » Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:03 am

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Olivaero wrote:Reality has a bias towards science.

Good job the Texas education board recognized this.

Don't give them credit, yet. I lived in the state long enough to realize that for every step forward we took, we took at least 3 back.

Yeah they are destined to always be one of the most conservative states in the Union but the union as a whole is moving forward (in my opinion any way) which means theoretically taxes may get less shit.
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Postby Dakran » Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:04 am

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Olivaero wrote:Reality has a bias towards science.

Good job the Texas education board recognized this.

Don't give them credit, yet. I lived in the state long enough to realize that for every step forward we took, we took at least 3 back.

So what you're saying is Women's Rights are in danger?

Brb mobilizing the Tumblr Social Justice Brigade.
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:04 am

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Need a name wrote:Ugh, I guess I'll debate. Did I really start a debate? Or did I start a conversation about how you guys think creationist are complete morons?

Alright, I'd like to see whatever evidence you have for creationism. (whether that be evidence for a young earth/universe, or evidence against evolution)
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Postby Need a Name » Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:06 am

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Regnum Dominae wrote:Alright, I'd like to see whatever evidence you have for creationism. (whether that be evidence for a young earth/universe, or evidence against evolution)

Sorry, I missed that. Here's one, it's just about how the miller-experiment was wrong, if you didn't know that.
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2011/06/mi ... 47271.html
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Postby Ixzara » Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:06 am

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Ixzara wrote:Don't give them credit, yet. I lived in the state long enough to realize that for every step forward we took, we took at least 3 back.

So what you're saying is Women's Rights are in danger?

Brb mobilizing the Tumblr Social Justice Brigade.

That's assuming that the Texas Legislature actually recognizes that women have these so-called rights. Not only that, but there is active voter suppression in minority districts and among women.
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Frisivisia wrote:Fact, the best President in history was white. Fact, that proves white people are better at being president. Duh.

But since we all came from Africa, it's a known fact that the best president is an African.
So we need a white African. And we have Obama! Har har har har.


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Postby Liriena » Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:09 am

Need a name wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:

Sorry, I missed that. Here's one, it's just about how the miller-experiment was wrong, if you didn't know that.
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2011/06/mi ... 47271.html

If it's true, it only disproves a certain theory regarding abiogenesis, not evolution. Try again.
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Postby The Corparation » Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:09 am

Need a name wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:

Sorry, I missed that. Here's one, it's just about how the miller-experiment was wrong, if you didn't know that.
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2011/06/mi ... 47271.html

So because Scientists were wrong about something and have had to change their theories, Creationisim is true. I'm not even going to touch the site's bias or the fact it links to the Discovery Institute. But really, that's their evidence? two people being wrong in a study decades ago?
EDIT:And that's only about abiogenisis, not evolution or the creation of the universe.
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Postby Dakran » Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:09 am

Ixzara wrote:
Dakran wrote:So what you're saying is Women's Rights are in danger?

Brb mobilizing the Tumblr Social Justice Brigade.

That's assuming that the Texas Legislature actually recognizes that women have these so-called rights. Not only that, but there is active voter suppression in minority districts and among women.

Looks like ill have to get more than jut a brigade then. Ill have to amass an army group.
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Postby Ixzara » Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:10 am

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Ixzara wrote:That's assuming that the Texas Legislature actually recognizes that women have these so-called rights. Not only that, but there is active voter suppression in minority districts and among women.

Looks like ill have to get more than jut a brigade then. Ill have to amass an army group.

And while you're at it, fetch me some Tacos from Morales on Avenue H and 76th in Houston.
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Frisivisia wrote:Fact, the best President in history was white. Fact, that proves white people are better at being president. Duh.

But since we all came from Africa, it's a known fact that the best president is an African.
So we need a white African. And we have Obama! Har har har har.


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Postby Chishimotata » Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:13 am

YES! Students are (for the time being) free from religious indoctrination in science class!

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Postby Need a Name » Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:13 am

The Corparation wrote:
Need a name wrote:Sorry, I missed that. Here's one, it's just about how the miller-experiment was wrong, if you didn't know that.
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2011/06/mi ... 47271.html

So because Scientists were wrong about something and have had to change their theories, Creationisim is true. I'm not even going to touch the site's bias or the fact it links to the Discovery Institute. But really, that's their evidence? two people being wrong in a study decades ago?
EDIT:And that's only about abiogenisis, not evolution or the creation of the universe.

Jeez, I was just saying that the miller experiment was wrong. I didn't mean to imply that the was only evidence I had. I just walked into this debate ill-prepared, and this was the first thing I thought of.
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Postby Ixzara » Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:13 am

Chishimotata wrote:YES! Students are (for the time being) free from religious indoctrination in science class!

But not from the ebul, communist, liburul agendah!!!
Norstal wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Fact, the best President in history was white. Fact, that proves white people are better at being president. Duh.

But since we all came from Africa, it's a known fact that the best president is an African.
So we need a white African. And we have Obama! Har har har har.


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Postby Chishimotata » Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:14 am

Need a name wrote:
The Corparation wrote:So because Scientists were wrong about something and have had to change their theories, Creationisim is true. I'm not even going to touch the site's bias or the fact it links to the Discovery Institute. But really, that's their evidence? two people being wrong in a study decades ago?
EDIT:And that's only about abiogenisis, not evolution or the creation of the universe.

Jeez, I was just saying that the miller experiment was wrong. I didn't mean to imply that the was only evidence I had. I just walked into this debate ill-prepared, and this was the first thing I thought of.

Ill prepared? Weren't you supposed to post CONCRETE EVIDENCE 4 CREATIONISM, like, a few months ago?

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Postby Liriena » Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:15 am

Need a name wrote:
The Corparation wrote:So because Scientists were wrong about something and have had to change their theories, Creationisim is true. I'm not even going to touch the site's bias or the fact it links to the Discovery Institute. But really, that's their evidence? two people being wrong in a study decades ago?
EDIT:And that's only about abiogenisis, not evolution or the creation of the universe.

Jeez, I was just saying that the miller experiment was wrong. I didn't mean to imply that the was only evidence I had. I just walked into this debate ill-prepared, and this was the first thing I thought of.

Pro-tip: Don't needlessly rush yourself.
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Postby Need a Name » Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:16 am

Chishimotata wrote:
Need a name wrote:Jeez, I was just saying that the miller experiment was wrong. I didn't mean to imply that the was only evidence I had. I just walked into this debate ill-prepared, and this was the first thing I thought of.

Ill prepared? Weren't you supposed to post CONCRETE EVIDENCE 4 CREATIONISM, like, a few months ago?

I gave up on debating! Frankly, I wanted to just quit forever! Because it is boring and time consuming. Also back then I was kinda dumb... I'm just waiting for someone to say,"Back then? Don't you mean right now!"
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Postby Chishimotata » Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:17 am

Liriena wrote:
Need a name wrote:Jeez, I was just saying that the miller experiment was wrong. I didn't mean to imply that the was only evidence I had. I just walked into this debate ill-prepared, and this was the first thing I thought of.

Pro-tip: Don't needlessly rush yourself.

It's not like he's had no time to think this through. I recall someone asking for scientific proof for creationism in an evolution thread a few months back. Still waiting for it, actually.

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Postby Need a Name » Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:17 am

Liriena wrote:
Need a name wrote:Jeez, I was just saying that the miller experiment was wrong. I didn't mean to imply that the was only evidence I had. I just walked into this debate ill-prepared, and this was the first thing I thought of.

Pro-tip: Don't needlessly rush yourself.

Trust me, I'm not, I'm working on my second piece of evidence right now.
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:17 am

Need a name wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:

Sorry, I missed that. Here's one, it's just about how the miller-experiment was wrong, if you didn't know that.
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2011/06/mi ... 47271.html

If that is correct, all it is evidence against is a certain theory regarding abiogenesis. Nothing to do with evolution.
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Postby Dakran » Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:18 am

Liriena wrote:
Need a name wrote:Jeez, I was just saying that the miller experiment was wrong. I didn't mean to imply that the was only evidence I had. I just walked into this debate ill-prepared, and this was the first thing I thought of.

Pro-tip: Don't needlessly rush yourself.

Having a small, prepared debate is MUCH better than a large, rushed debate. Always try for those :)
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Postby Chishimotata » Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:18 am

Need a name wrote:
Chishimotata wrote:Ill prepared? Weren't you supposed to post CONCRETE EVIDENCE 4 CREATIONISM, like, a few months ago?

I gave up on debating! Frankly, I wanted to just quit forever! Because it is boring and time consuming. Also back then I was kinda dumb... I'm just waiting for someone to say,"Back then? Don't you mean right now!"

Why are you still here then? You could just scramble your password and leave forever if you hate debating with me.

I recall things. You still owe us CONCRETE EVIDENCE 4 CREATIONISM.

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Postby Need a Name » Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:19 am

Chishimotata wrote:
Need a name wrote:I gave up on debating! Frankly, I wanted to just quit forever! Because it is boring and time consuming. Also back then I was kinda dumb... I'm just waiting for someone to say,"Back then? Don't you mean right now!"

Why are you still here then? You could just scramble your password and leave forever if you hate debating with me.

I recall things. You still owe us CONCRETE EVIDENCE 4 CREATIONISM.

Gosh, I know, I know! And I never said I hated debating with you, I just said I hated it in general.
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:20 am

Need a name wrote:
Chishimotata wrote:Why are you still here then? You could just scramble your password and leave forever if you hate debating with me.

I recall things. You still owe us CONCRETE EVIDENCE 4 CREATIONISM.

Gosh, I know, I know!

Then give us some evidence.

The biggest information resource that has ever existed is literally at your fingertips.
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Postby Need a Name » Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:21 am

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Need a name wrote:Sorry, I missed that. Here's one, it's just about how the miller-experiment was wrong, if you didn't know that.
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2011/06/mi ... 47271.html

If that is correct, all it is evidence against is a certain theory regarding abiogenesis. Nothing to do with evolution.

Isn't abiogenesis a big player in evolution? And you'll be happy to know that my next piece of evidence directly deals with evolution.
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:22 am

Need a name wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:If that is correct, all it is evidence against is a certain theory regarding abiogenesis. Nothing to do with evolution.

Isn't abiogenesis a big player in evolution? And you'll be happy to know that my next piece of evidence directly deals with evolution.

No.

Abiogenesis affects how life formed.

Evolution affects how life, once formed, changed over time.
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