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Postby Regnum Dominae » Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:53 pm

Three months ago, creationists began a crusade to remove science from science textbooks by forcing creationism to be taught as an equally valid alternative to evolution. Because Texas is such a large state, textbook publishers often publish textbooks nationwide according to Texas standards, meaning that in a worst case scenario we could have ended up with creationism being taught as science not just in Texas, but throughout the US.

Luckily, the creationists have failed.

A panel of experts has rejected concerns by religious conservatives in Texas that a high school biology textbook contained factual errors about evolution and a state board approved the book on Wednesday for use in public schools.

The debate over the Pearson Biology textbook was the latest episode of a lengthy battle by evangelicals in Texas to insert Christian and Biblical teachings into public school textbooks.

Two years ago, conservatives pushed for changes in history textbooks, including one that would have downplayed Thomas Jefferson's role in American history for his support of the separation of church and state. That effort was unsuccessful.

The second-most populous U.S. state, Texas influences textbook selections for schools nationwide.
In the case of the biology book, an unidentified volunteer reviewer complained to the Texas State Board of Education that it presents evolution as scientific fact rather than a theory, which conflicts with the creation story written in the Book of Genesis in the Bible.

The reviewer concluded that the text, which includes lessons on natural selection and the Earth's cooling process, are errors that needed to be corrected by publisher Pearson Education, one of the nation's largest producers of school textbooks and a unit of Pearson Plc.

The opinion caused the board to delay approval of the textbook and appoint a three-member panel of science experts to analyze the book's lessons and report any factual mistakes.

"The professors didn't recommend any changes so the book is now approved," Texas Education Agency spokeswoman Debbie Ratcliffe said in an email. "Schools can purchase it this spring for use in the fall."

Until the expert panel ruled, Pearson was not able to market its book as approved by the board to school districts in Texas.

The state's more than 1,000 public school districts are permitted to order their own books and materials, but most follow the state-approved list.

Source: http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/12 ... board-says


Frankly, considering the overwhelming evidence, I think it's a damn shame that it the Texas Board of Education actually spent three whole months seriously considering this, instead of throwing out this proposal as soon as it reached their desks. However, it's good to see that it ultimately failed, and we won't be seeing children taught a religious creation myth as science in Texas, or even worse, across the United States. This is a huge relief to those of us who care about quality education and the separation of religion and science.

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Thank goodness.
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Postby Aeken » Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:57 pm

That was a close one.

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Postby Taoju » Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:03 pm

[passes out the celebratory champagne]

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Postby Regnum Dominae » Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:12 pm

Aeken wrote:That was a close one.

Yes, yes it was. Way too close.

If the Texas Board of Education had any sense, they'd have laughed this out of the building as soon as they were made aware.
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Good job, Texas.
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:21 pm

Need a name wrote:So close, but so far away!

Are you saying that the decision to reject creationism is good or bad? I can't tell.
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Postby The Scientific States » Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:22 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Need a name wrote:So close, but so far away!

Are you saying that the decision to reject creationism is good or bad? I can't tell.

Given his socially conservative posting record I'd say he thinks the latter.
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Need a name wrote:So close, but so far away!

Are you saying that the decision to reject creationism is good or bad? I can't tell.

I think it is bad, I wish they would at least mention creationism as a possibility.
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Need a name wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:Are you saying that the decision to reject creationism is good or bad? I can't tell.

I think it is bad, I wish they would at least mention creationism as a possibility.

Impossible. Illegal. Illogical.

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Need a name wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:Are you saying that the decision to reject creationism is good or bad? I can't tell.

I think it is bad, I wish they would at least mention creationism as a possibility.

It's not even a possibility. We know that the universe is billions of years old, and we know that evolution is real.
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Need a name wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:Are you saying that the decision to reject creationism is good or bad? I can't tell.

I think it is bad, I wish they would at least mention creationism as a possibility.

It's a science class. Creationism is not a valid scientific theory (in fact, it's anything but, since it relies on supernatural elements and mythology).
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Need a name wrote:I think it is bad, I wish they would at least mention creationism as a possibility.

It's not even a possibility. We know that the universe is billions of years old, and we know that evolution is real.

That's just young earth creationism that says the earth is like 6,000 years old.
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Need a name wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:Are you saying that the decision to reject creationism is good or bad? I can't tell.

I think it is bad, I wish they would at least mention creationism as a possibility.
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Need a name wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:It's not even a possibility. We know that the universe is billions of years old, and we know that evolution is real.

That's just young earth creationism that says the earth is like 6,000 years old.

Old Earth creationism is not a valid theory either.
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Need a name wrote:I think it is bad, I wish they would at least mention creationism as a possibility.

It's a science class. Creationism is not a valid scientific theory (in fact, it's anything but, since it relies on supernatural elements and mythology).

There's is some evidence for it.
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Need a name wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:Are you saying that the decision to reject creationism is good or bad? I can't tell.

I think it is bad, I wish they would at least mention creationism as a possibility.

Alright, then which creationism do you want listed?
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Need a name wrote:
Liriena wrote:It's a science class. Creationism is not a valid scientific theory (in fact, it's anything but, since it relies on supernatural elements and mythology).

There's is some evidence for it.

Such as?
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Need a name wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:Are you saying that the decision to reject creationism is good or bad? I can't tell.

I think it is bad, I wish they would at least mention creationism as a possibility.


You're right. :roll:

I agree creationism is a possibility, we all know that the Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe and Earth, before Earth has created the universe was nothing but Lasagna(blech).

After 7 days, The Flying Spaghetti Monster created Breadsticks to inhabit the earth, and those breadsticks evolved into humans. That's my interpretation of creationism, so we MUST teach it.
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