Irish reunification?

[Greater-London]

Mutual vetos and blocking of any substantial opposition to the status quo is not an automatic consequence of a long term dispute. It's a problem with the accepted framework of power sharing in the six counties.

Of course it is - a long term dispute is created when neither side is interesting in a consensus or baking down. As such you get two parties who don't want change because they are worried it will mean the other side wins. Even after the conflict has been 'resolved' it takes time to get out of the "them" and "us" mentality as such you cant expect that to change only 13 years after peace.

[Afalia]

Ah, I see you're advocating the sensible policy of not moving on and looking to the future there.

The problem is that theres a big fanfare of moving on and looking to the future if the British State forces are accused (or when members of such groups admit to crimes outright) but its suddenly a whole other story when it's paramilitaries. It knocks confidence in a fair system a touch.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_Inquiry

The results were published that afternoon on 15 June 2010. PM David Cameron addressed the House of Commons and acknowledged, among other things, that the paratroopers had fired the first shot, had fired on fleeing unarmed civilians and shot and killed one man who was already wounded. He then apologised on behalf of the British government.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-24999051

There should be an end to prosecutions for Troubles-related killings, Northern Ireland's attorney general has said.

John Larkin said there should be no further police investigations, inquests or inquiries into any relevant killings that took place before the signing of the Good Friday Agreement in 1998.

That means all deaths caused by paramilitaries, police or the Army.

I also remind you of the Good Friday Agreement, in case you'd forgotten, which saw the release of many, many, many IRA prisoners-including convicted murderers. So perhaps we should move on, don't you think?

[Ulster]

I look forward to the day that the British state is out of Ireland and we can get rid of the sham of an assembly in the North in favour of something that can actually bring about change rather than sitting in a stalemate for all eternity.

Except NI wants to remain part of "the British state" you so despise. I suppose it's not up to the people though, right?

[Angleter]

The Protestants would end up being as well treated as the Kurds are in Turkey.

I get the impression that nowadays, much of the Republic of Ireland takes an even dimmer view of the Catholic Church than the Ulster Protestants do.

[Kwadai]

I live in Republic of Ireland, most people here never say anything about it. But occasionally protests and stuff like that come up in the news.

[Out Of The Ashes]

The problem is that theres a big fanfare of moving on and looking to the future if the British State forces are accused (or when members of such groups admit to crimes outright) but its suddenly a whole other story when it's paramilitaries. It knocks confidence in a fair system a touch.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_Inquiry

The results were published that afternoon on 15 June 2010. PM David Cameron addressed the House of Commons and acknowledged, among other things, that the paratroopers had fired the first shot, had fired on fleeing unarmed civilians and shot and killed one man who was already wounded. He then apologise on behalf of the British government.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-24999051

There should be an end to prosecutions for Troubles-related killings, Northern Ireland's attorney general has said.

John Larkin said there should be no further police investigations, inquests or inquiries into any relevant killings that took place before the signing of the Good Friday Agreement in 1998.

That means all deaths caused by paramilitaries, police or the Army.

I also remind you of the Good Friday Agreement, in case you'd forgotten, which saw the release of many, many, many IRA prisoners-including convicted murderers. So perhaps we should move on, don't you think?

Bloody Sunday : A mealy mouthed apology from the PM with zero convictions and a lackluster attempt at follow up criminal investigation likely to end not because a conclusion is reached but because the soldiers involved died (sadly peacefully in their own beds) . Meanwhile the HET are still actively pursuing past events from paramilitaries no matter the powerless words of the AG which I think you'll find came at a suspicious time just as this was revealed : http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/ ... 72266.html

[Ragnarum]

Nope.

Not unless its united under the UK again.

[Out Of The Ashes]

I look forward to the day that the British state is out of Ireland and we can get rid of the sham of an assembly in the North in favour of something that can actually bring about change rather than sitting in a stalemate for all eternity.

Except NI wants to remain part of "the British state" you so despise. I suppose it's not up to the people though, right?

Biased assumptions again is it? Will you people never learn.

[Eaglleia]

Except NI wants to remain part of "the British state" you so despise. I suppose it's not up to the people though, right?

Biased assumptions again is it? Will you people never learn.

Then what are you saying? You're statements seem to be pro-unification contrary to the will of the citizens of Northern Ireland.

[Out Of The Ashes]

You're statements seem to be pro-unification contrary to the will of the citizens of Northern Ireland.

Yes they are. Congratulations. That's the only bit that can be inferred from what I wrote. I made no comment on how to achieve that.

[Out Of The Ashes]

Nope.

Not unless its united under the UK again.

The UK had it's chance but showed it couldn't be trusted with nice things.

[Greater-London]

You're statements seem to be pro-unification contrary to the will of the citizens of Northern Ireland.

Yes they are. Congratulations. That's the only bit that can be inferred from what I wrote. I made no comment on how to achieve that.

Well the question then is how? if it can't be achieved through democratic means (at least for the time being) then surely its a pipe dream.

[The Grey Wolf]

Germany pretty much atoned for it, you know, Allied Occupation, reparations to Jews, etc. In any case, no point to it now.

I didn't actually mean Nazi Germany, anyways.

Nevertheless, they have made reparations to persecuted minorities.

[Aeken]

As long as the people want it.

[Out Of The Ashes]

Yes they are. Congratulations. That's the only bit that can be inferred from what I wrote. I made no comment on how to achieve that.

Well the question then is how? if it can't be achieved through democratic means (at least for the time being) then surely its a pipe dream.

Read my post again. What was the timeframe I gave?

[Unitaristic Regions]

The only thing that makes me angry at the English is how they subjugated the Irish, Welsh and Scottish. If it were up to me, they'd all be independent with sovereign monarchs if they wished.

[The High Guardians]

Nope.

Not unless its united under the UK again.

The UK had it's chance but showed it couldn't be trusted with nice things.

Another person arguing against what local people want? What a surprise.

[Eaglleia]

You're statements seem to be pro-unification contrary to the will of the citizens of Northern Ireland.

Yes they are. Congratulations. That's the only bit that can be inferred from what I wrote. I made no comment on how to achieve that.

Then why do you say "biased assumptions" when someone points it out?

[Ragnarum]

Nope.

Not unless its united under the UK again.

The UK had it's chance but showed it couldn't be trusted with nice things.

I dont think thats true.
Don't care anyway.

People generally don't take to kindly to being attacked with mortars.
So, you could say the Irish can't be trusted to run a country.

[Afalia]

Bloody Sunday : A mealy mouthed apology from the PM with zero convictions and a lackluster attempt at follow up criminal investigation likely to end not because a conclusion is reached but because the soldiers involved died (sadly peacefully in their own beds) . Meanwhile the HET are still actively pursuing past events from paramilitaries no matter the powerless words of the AG which I think you'll find came at a suspicious time just as this was revealed : http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/ ... 72266.html

If the apology wasn't good enough for you that's too bad. And I'm sorry about the lack of a criminal investigation. It's a damn shame we can't prosecute people who are dead. You do know that the MRF's existence has been well known for decades? You seem to have a vendetta against the British government, regardless of what it does. If it holds an inquiry into Bloody Sunday it's not good enough for you. If the NI attorney general calls for an end to prosecutions it's clearly a mass conspiracy at work.

[The Grey Wolf]

The only thing that makes me angry at the English is how they subjugated the Irish, Welsh and Scottish. If it were up to me, they'd all be independent with sovereign monarchs if they wished.

So far North Ireland wants to stay in the UK, which I'll admit makes no sense to me. But hey, I don't live there.

[Eaglleia]

The only thing that makes me angry at the English is how they subjugated the Irish, Welsh and Scottish. If it were up to me, they'd all be independent with sovereign monarchs if they wished.

Elizabeth II is descended from the Scottish Monarchs as well, and the Union of Scotland and England was entirely voluntary, Wales and Ireland mostly.

[The High Guardians]

The only thing that makes me angry at the English is how they subjugated the Irish, Welsh and Scottish. If it were up to me, they'd all be independent with sovereign monarchs if they wished.

You mean like the North of U.S subjugated the South of the U.S in a bloody war against the wishes of the South? That kind of subjugation ?

[Greater-London]

Read my post again. What was the timeframe I gave?

None why are you being so defensive? I'm not having a go I'm just asking for two things

1) your opinion ... which I presume is for a reunited Ireland? - correct me if I'm wrong
2) How would in practical terms a united Ireland come to existence?

If people are constantly getting you wrong (which would be annoying) then explain what you actually think instead of being vague.

[Unitaristic Regions]

The only thing that makes me angry at the English is how they subjugated the Irish, Welsh and Scottish. If it were up to me, they'd all be independent with sovereign monarchs if they wished.

So far North Ireland wants to stay in the UK, which I'll admit makes no sense to me. But hey, I don't live there.

I think it's mostly about the fact that the north is predominantly protestant... sigh.