New Mexico legalizes gay marriage!

[The Fascist American Empire]

YOu know, I have met many Roman Catholics, and not one of them condemned people the way you are. I would first look at the tree in your eye, before turning and commenting on the splinter in another's.

Ah! Using one of Jesus's own saying against him! Nice! I'm a Christian and, as you can see from my previous posts, I totally disagree with him.

The Valcouria guy. That's who I disagree with. More Neo-Nazi than Roman Catholic in my opinion.

[The Worldly Communist Union]

Another state going the ways of sin.

Sin, by your definition

[The Empire of Pretantia]

But still, God gave them that weaker will with full knowledge they would be homosexual? It's still natural by your own claim.

No, they are heterosexual; all gays are by nature, they just choose to endorse an immorality that they are more susceptible to. Like the obese being tempted by a pizza.

Why does God condemn homosexuality?

[San]

But still, God gave them that weaker will with full knowledge they would be homosexual? It's still natural by your own claim.

No, they are heterosexual; all gays are by nature, they just choose to endorse an immorality that they are more susceptible to. Like the obese being tempted by a pizza.

care to demonstrate anything you're saying or is it just the usual falsehoods

[Kelinfort]

But still, God gave them that weaker will with full knowledge they would be homosexual? It's still natural by your own claim.

No, they are heterosexual; all gays are by nature, they just choose to endorse an immorality that they are more susceptible to. Like the obese being tempted by a pizza.

They are more susceptible to it...means God made them more susceptible to it...meaning it is natural...

[Valcouria]

Roman Catholic, but I have been exploring Eastern Orthodoxy recently as a personal interest.

You're not Roman Catholic, you're fundamentalist Evangelical.

Maybe a blend of them both, actually...Catholic on one side of the family, Southern Baptist on the other...

[Rocopurr]

But still, God gave them that weaker will with full knowledge they would be homosexual? It's still natural by your own claim.

No, they are heterosexual; all gays are by nature, they just choose to endorse an immorality that they are more susceptible to. Like the obese being tempted by a pizza.

You don't understand homosexuality or obesity, yay.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

THIS MAN OR WOMAN DOES NOT REPRESENT CHRISTIANITY IN ANY WAY!!!! We are a peaceful, tolerant religion! This is simply someone who focuses on one or seven tiny parts of the Bible and not the whole thing! Let us all ignore this fanatical whack job!

No, sir, you are the false Christian...your tolerance of a sinful behavior precludes you from being in His good grace. Your belief that they should be able to marry in contrivance of the laws of the Church demonstrate that you do not uphold the tenants of the faith.

Tolerance of a sinful behavior is simply because, while others may pursue such a lifestyle, and being God the one who is the only one who can judge our relationship with him we cannot judge, we cannot be judging others or dictating their lifestyle. If we care so much about the law we have to keep it OURSELVES; which, of course, is what you are either willingly ignoring or simply not bothering to realize.

[The Scientific States]

This thread is a train wreck, all of you know there is no point in arguing the circular logic of homophobes, so why try? All you're doing is feeding them, which derails this thread even more.
I'm sure most of you have better things to do then attack Val's diatribes.

[Kelinfort]

You're not Roman Catholic, you're fundamentalist Evangelical.

Maybe a blend of them both, actually...Catholic on one side of the family, Southern Baptist on the other...

That's Southern Baptist, not Catholic.

[Neutraligon]

YOu know, I have met many Roman Catholics, and not one of them condemned people the way you are. I would first look at the tree in your eye, before turning and commenting on the splinter in another's.

Ah! Using one of Jesus's own saying against him! Nice! I'm a Christian and, as you can see from my previous posts, I totally disagree with him.

I have friends who do not like homosexuality, but they never condemn, many even try to understand. I have changed minds before simply by trying to explain it to them. Seriously, someone of the Roman Catholic faith is supposed to be an example to the world, all I am seeing here is an example of hate.

[Valcouria]

Another state going the ways of sin supporting the elemental human right to equality.

Fixed.

There are no rights, only privileges. Marriage is a privilege reserved to one man and one woman, as condoned by God. Anything else is a sick perversion of that.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

No, they are heterosexual; all gays are by nature, they just choose to endorse an immorality that they are more susceptible to. Like the obese being tempted by a pizza.

You don't understand homosexuality or obesity, yay.

To me, homosexuality is more like a noticeable case of OCD; kinda weird and can't be helped, but not really a problem at all.

[Fascist Russian Empire]

But still, God gave them that weaker will with full knowledge they would be homosexual? It's still natural by your own claim.

No, they are heterosexual; all gays are by nature, they just choose to endorse an immorality that they are more susceptible to. Like the obese being tempted by a pizza.

People don't choose their God damn sexuality. The sooner you realize this, the better. You don't choose to get turned on by girls, and I don't choose to get a boner when I think about guys. Stop with this shit about people choosing sexual orientation.

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

Islam is amazingly oppressive then. Why obey a God that is so eager for blood for something humans and their primate ancestors did freely, liberally and without harming anybody else until the invention of children and consequentially women as property because of the invention of estate?

Islam isn't oppressive. It's actually rather peaceful compared to other religions. In Islam you are to treat others with respect, even if they disrespect you. You are not supposed to talk badly about other religions, as it is a sin. You are not supposed to talk behind the backs of others, as there is a specific level in hell for those who do this. You are to treat your neighbors with kindness, no matter how nasty they are. All this is so that, instead of using violence to suppress opposition(which is only done by the extremist, who are not even proper Muslim's and 99.99% of the time are killing Muslims themselves), peace and kindness attracts people to Islam. There are limits though. Rules that have to be enforced to keep the integrity. A married couple who remained chaste until marriage is going to be a lot more faithful and respectful than one who, before getting married, were often (anything more than 0 is __ too often) engaged in premarital sex.

Because sexual pleasure is evil, and it's ok if you enter a marriage with a partner that don't get you pleasure. But what matters if women are not satisfied since their orgasm isn't need for procreation, alrighty?

If this was all true, people who just do not believe in God or change their religion would not be killed.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Stealing is not natural.

Tell a lie is not natural.

Cheating on someone is not natural as marriage and monogamy did not exist before Christianity.

So again, why is homosexuality not natural?

Excuse me... the Jews would like to have a word with you...so would the Chinese.

I am thinking about the west mostly. Sorry if you didn't catch that.

[Rocopurr]

You don't understand homosexuality or obesity, yay.

To me, homosexuality is more like a noticeable case of OCD; kinda weird, but not really a problem at all.

I would debate whether or not OCD is a problem, but that's for another thread.

Fixed.

There are no rights, only privileges. Marriage is a privilege reserved to one man and one woman, as condoned by God. Anything else is a sick perversion of that.

What about folks who don't really care about what your god says?

[Kelinfort]

Fixed.

There are no rights, only privileges. Marriage is a privilege reserved to one man and one woman, as condoned by God. Anything else is a sick perversion of that.

Freedom of speech, press, trial...those are rights.

[The Fascist American Empire]

Islam is amazingly oppressive then. Why obey a God that is so eager for blood for something humans and their primate ancestors did freely, liberally and without harming anybody else until the invention of children and consequentially women as property because of the invention of estate?

Islam isn't oppressive. It's actually rather peaceful compared to other religions. In Islam you are to treat others with respect, even if they disrespect you. You are not supposed to talk badly about other religions, as it is a sin. You are not supposed to talk behind the backs of others, as there is a specific level in hell for those who do this.

Christianity in a nutshell. Wow, not a lot of difference except our extremists aren't… Wait, never mind. I forgot about that one guy here. Valcournia or something like that.

[Gauthier]

Why the fuck are people feeding the threadjack?

[Gyrenaica]

NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[Beta Test]

Fixed.

There are no rights, only privileges. Marriage is a privilege reserved to one man and one woman, as condoned by God. Anything else is a sick perversion of that.

Marriage is a legal institution, not a religious one. For goodness sake.

[Hungaristan]

You are actually talking to a Deist who was brought up under Catholic and Evangelical schools. So really, your sophomoric attempt at dismissing me because "I may not believe in the bible" is very disingenious.

And sin is not natural, as it does not follow God's reason. Also, animals did eat each other before the great fall. It's called the food chain, funny concept I know.

So again, if homosexuality is a sin, why is it natural?

Same reason it is natural to

steal something

tell a lie

cheat on your girlfriend/boyfriend

You don't have to teach someone to tell a lie, take something, or cheat on someone, they just do that automatically because its natural human behavior but that does not make it right.

Ding ding ding Psychology 101 People!

All the things you listed are conditioned behaviors.
You were told not to do something therefore you feel tempted to do so, this is why I beleive sin is natural.
You did the thing you weren't supposed to do, ie: steal candy.
You were rewarded, ie: candy
Neurotrasmitters give off feel good chemicals called endorphins.
You subconsciously now associate theft with good feelings.
As for cheating, you may have seen this happen and mimick the action: this is called observational learning.
In reality there is no such thing as "free will" your thoughts and actions are products of your environment... yay! brainwashing!
Therefore Homosexuality, which is probably neither a classical or observational conditioning, is more likely a genetical thing.

[Neutraligon]

Fixed.

There are no rights, only privileges. Marriage is a privilege reserved to one man and one woman, as condoned by God. Anything else is a sick perversion of that.

To bad you live in a secular country, where the will of god is about as important as my dog's opinion.

[The Scientific States]

Why the fuck are people feeding the threadjack?

I was thinking the same thing.

But, it doesn't really matter, I'm surprised the thread has gone on this long, the mods will lock it within a few pages.