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Postby Grenartia » Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:06 pm

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1. I never said there was.

2. Ah, but repression has been demonstrated to have negative effects on mental health.

3. And you're wrong for it. On all levels.



Yeah. I explained it in-depth in the Utah SSM thread.

Basically, Louisiana's economy thrives on tourism, oil, seafood, and trade. Tourism is the most reliable, followed by trade (but only in areas accessible from the Gulf by large ships), and then oil and seafood are tied, with oil making seafood less reliable than the first two, as seen with the Deepwater Horizon spill. Therefore, Louisiana focuses heavily on tourism. Especially in the more populated cities, where there also exist significant pro-LGBT voter blocks. Legalizing SSM would only increase tourism revenue.

Any polling on the support for SSM in Louisiana?

I mean, last I checked, they lean pretty starkly to the right.


No, but I did live there, so I do have a pretty good grasp on public opinion there, and for the most part, there's less inherent objection to it than there is in Utah. Besides, the big voter blocks are in the major cities, which as I said, do have significant pro-LGBT views. Especially New Orleans.
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Postby The Traditional Catholic Papal States » Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:06 pm

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:
The Traditional Catholic Papal States wrote:No, I'm not. Again, I believe this proves my point that the goal of homosexual activists did not end at "equal treatment" by governments and business, but change the deeply held religious beliefs of citizens. I don't understand how homosexual behavior is equal to someone skin colour. notice I did NOT say "attraction" or "orientation"

Not religious beliefs.

Anything saying we and our relationships are inferior will lead to families breaking, to teens hanging themselves, and to people being beaten to death by neo-Nazis.

You can't blame us for being aggressive at trying to end this, because most of us experience these problems very closely, often within the realm of our personal lives!


No, it would not. I have the same point of view, and I don't wish to commit violence against homosexuals. For example, for me you would have to convince to abandon my religious beliefs, and I'm sorry, I can't do that. And I'm not the only one that has this view.
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Postby Grenartia » Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:07 pm

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Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:Not religious beliefs.

Anything saying we and our relationships are inferior will lead to families breaking, to teens hanging themselves, and to people being beaten to death by neo-Nazis.

You can't blame us for being aggressive at trying to end this, because most of us experience these problems very closely, often within the realm of our personal lives!


No, it would not. I have the same point of view, and I don't wish to commit violence against homosexuals. For example, for me you would have to convince to abandon my religious beliefs, and I'm sorry, I can't do that. And I'm not the only one that has this view.


Implying you can't be pro-LGBT and religious, or even be LGBT and religious.
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Postby Vettrera » Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:08 pm

KISS Nation wrote:
Astograth wrote:Is it unacceptably wrong if it does not harm anyone?

It vastly contributes to the spread of STDs and medical issues related to homosexual acts.

I'm fairly sure gay people are just as capable to waiting till marriage and having 1 sexual partner if they truly want to, thus not having a high rate of STDs
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Postby Tekania » Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:08 pm

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KISS Nation wrote:But he was convicted of homosexuality.


Okay, what was wrong with that was the law and not the defendant. But it is too late to make amends; this is a mostly empty gesture. So instead let's try to do a better job of providing the living with justice.


Pretty much, this is more of a ceremonial thing.
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Postby Noveau Hollande » Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:09 pm

Pope Joan wrote:In honor of the occasion, why not grant a new trial to all convicted felons?

After all, many of them actually are what they say there are ...innocent.


Turing wasn't innocent of being a homosexual

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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:09 pm

The Traditional Catholic Papal States wrote:No, it would not. I have the same point of view, and I don't wish to commit violence against homosexuals. For example, for me you would have to convince to abandon my religious beliefs, and I'm sorry, I can't do that. And I'm not the only one that has this view.

If the view that queer* and trans* people and what they do is inferior is not the cause for homophobic violence, then what is it? You know, hate crimes against black people diminished when they were turned equal before the law and racism (that also had justifications based on religion previously, mind you!) turned into a taboo. :roll:
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Postby Qazox » Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:09 pm

Yeah it's 61 years too damn late; but at least they finally realized they were idiots.
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Postby The Republic of Llamas » Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:09 pm

Good, although too late.

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Postby The Traditional Catholic Papal States » Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:10 pm

Grenartia wrote:
The Traditional Catholic Papal States wrote:
No, it would not. I have the same point of view, and I don't wish to commit violence against homosexuals. For example, for me you would have to convince to abandon my religious beliefs, and I'm sorry, I can't do that. And I'm not the only one that has this view.


Implying you can't be pro-LGBT and religious, or even be LGBT and religious.


Nope, I did not say that. Please stop putting words in my mouth, and by the way, I am a Roman Catholic, and as far as I know, you don't wear Mitre.
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Postby Tekania » Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:12 pm

Hallistar wrote:They used to castrate gays in the UK?


Apparently..... chemical castration often involves the injections of anti-androgens which results in loss of sex drive and (after longterm) permanent sterility.
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Postby Mavorpen » Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:12 pm

The Traditional Catholic Papal States wrote:No, I'm not. Again, I believe this proves my point that the goal of homosexual activists did not end at "equal treatment" by governments and business, but change the deeply held religious beliefs of citizens. I don't understand how homosexual behavior is equal to someone skin colour. notice I did NOT say "attraction" or "orientation"

Just like ending slavery and making African Americans citizens has the goal of changing deeply held religious beliefs of citizens.

Or not, and you're making shit up.
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Postby Blasveck » Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:12 pm

Jesus, chemical castration?

I was unaware of the history of Britain's treatment of homosexuals.

That's horrible.
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Postby The Traditional Catholic Papal States » Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:14 pm

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:
The Traditional Catholic Papal States wrote:No, it would not. I have the same point of view, and I don't wish to commit violence against homosexuals. For example, for me you would have to convince to abandon my religious beliefs, and I'm sorry, I can't do that. And I'm not the only one that has this view.

If the view that queer* and trans* people and what they do is inferior is not the cause for homophobic violence, then what is it? You know, hate crimes against black people diminished when they were turned equal before the law and racism (that also had justifications based on religion previously, mind you!) turned into a taboo. :roll:


There is no such thing as "being black". There is nothing that black people do that makes them black. However, homosexual behavior is an action, and viewing such behavior is immoral does not lead automatically lead to violence against homosexuals.
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Postby New Event Horizon » Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:14 pm

Ah, yes. Impeccable timing as always. Also, chemical castration? That's just cold.
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Postby Independent Canterbury » Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:14 pm

What's next. Pardons for pedophiles?
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Postby Astograth » Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:14 pm

The Traditional Catholic Papal States wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Implying you can't be pro-LGBT and religious, or even be LGBT and religious.


Nope, I did not say that. Please stop putting words in my mouth, and by the way, I am a Roman Catholic, and as far as I know, you don't wear Mitre.

Implying means you're being implicit, which is the opposite of saying things explicitly. And you are implying that you could not possibly be Catholic and pro-LGBT rights, or even be a Catholic L/G/B/T person.
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:15 pm

Blasveck wrote:Jesus, chemical castration?

I was unaware of the history of Britain's treatment of homosexuals.

That's horrible.

In the age America got independent, homosexuals, zoophiles and the animals that had partaken into interspecies with humans got all the same kind of punishment as "sodomites". It was a particularly absurd form of death penalty, perhaps the same burning at the stake of the Portuguese Empire.
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Postby Aeken » Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:15 pm

The Traditional Catholic Papal States wrote:
Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:If the view that queer* and trans* people and what they do is inferior is not the cause for homophobic violence, then what is it? You know, hate crimes against black people diminished when they were turned equal before the law and racism (that also had justifications based on religion previously, mind you!) turned into a taboo. :roll:


There is no such thing as "being black". There is nothing that black people do that makes them black. However, homosexual behavior is an action, and viewing such behavior is immoral does not lead automatically lead to violence against homosexuals.

But it has.

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Postby Grenartia » Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:15 pm

The Traditional Catholic Papal States wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Implying you can't be pro-LGBT and religious, or even be LGBT and religious.


Nope, I did not say that. Please stop putting words in my mouth, and by the way, I am a Roman Catholic, and as far as I know, you don't wear Mitre.


This seems pretty clear that you did mean to imply it:

you would have to convince to abandon my religious beliefs
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Mavorpen wrote:
The Traditional Catholic Papal States wrote:No, I'm not. Again, I believe this proves my point that the goal of homosexual activists did not end at "equal treatment" by governments and business, but change the deeply held religious beliefs of citizens. I don't understand how homosexual behavior is equal to someone skin colour. notice I did NOT say "attraction" or "orientation"

Just like ending slavery and making African Americans citizens has the goal of changing deeply held religious beliefs of citizens.

Or not, and you're making shit up.


Sorry, but comparing slavery to the idea that people won't view homosexual behavior as an expression of love as equal.
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Postby Mavorpen » Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:15 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Blasveck wrote:Any polling on the support for SSM in Louisiana?

I mean, last I checked, they lean pretty starkly to the right.


No, but I did live there, so I do have a pretty good grasp on public opinion there, and for the most part, there's less inherent objection to it than there is in Utah. Besides, the big voter blocks are in the major cities, which as I said, do have significant pro-LGBT views. Especially New Orleans.

Baton Rouge also has a majority support for same sex marriage, IIRC.
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:16 pm

Independent Canterbury wrote:What's next. Pardons for pedophiles?

Wh-... wha-... what did you just have implied?
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Postby Mavorpen » Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:16 pm

The Traditional Catholic Papal States wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Just like ending slavery and making African Americans citizens has the goal of changing deeply held religious beliefs of citizens.

Or not, and you're making shit up.


Sorry, but comparing slavery to the idea that people won't view homosexual behavior as an expression of love as equal.

I have no idea what this means.

Could you fix this so that it makes coherent sense?
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Postby The Traditional Catholic Papal States » Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:17 pm

Aeken wrote:
The Traditional Catholic Papal States wrote:
There is no such thing as "being black". There is nothing that black people do that makes them black. However, homosexual behavior is an action, and viewing such behavior is immoral does not lead automatically lead to violence against homosexuals.

But it has.


Sure, do some people commit violence against homosexuals, but you act this is the rule, which is not.
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