Your thoughts on communism?

[Unitaristic Regions]

Probably because it is inherently coercive.

If you assume that society can survive without government, you'd have to be really idealistic.

Most humans are selfish assholes, and a fair sized government should exist for that reason, and to help others who have been put in bad situations by selfish assholes.

I don't. I'm just putting it out there.

[The Scientific States]

If you assume that society can survive without government, you'd have to be really idealistic.

Most humans are selfish assholes, and a fair sized government should exist for that reason, and to help others who have been put in bad situations by selfish assholes.

I don't. I'm just putting it out there.

Oh, alright. The way you worded what you said threw me off, sorry.

[Astograth]

Wings mean nothing. Once you move beyond the concept of left/right, liberal/conservative, you then begin to truly understand politics.

So in other words, you're a political hipster? Cute.

No, he's a fascist.

[Pandeeria]

So in other words, you're a political hipster? Cute.

No, he's a fascist.

So he's right wing?

[The Scientific States]

So in other words, you're a political hipster? Cute.

No, he's a fascist.

Same exact thing.

[Kaspias]

Communism is the only ideology that has failed every time but still has people that say it could work

[Jetan]

Impossible, naive system build upon theft and oppression. Pretty much sums my opinion.

[The Scientific States]

Communism is the only ideology that has failed every time but still has people that say it could work

Same with fascism.

[Pandeeria]

Communism is the only ideology that has failed every time but still has people that say it could work

Same with fascism.

And many more isms.

[Fenshamsland]

Communism is a fantastically humble ideology. If in proper working order, it would create a better society. In a world of capitalist greed, however, it is difficult for communism to work as it should and exceptions to the Communism Manifesto are then made, often leading to problems or diluting the communism.

People look at communist countries and say: "Look how poor they are." The thing is, in capitalism some have too much to eat, some have barely anything. In communism everything is shared. If the country is relatively poor, yes, EVERYBODY in the country will be relatively poor too, but there will me communal strives for improvement of their conditions. Everybody is equal, everyone is poor, together. That's just bad cases though, the standard of living in most communist countries will eventually be very good, if not for capitalist interference.

The problem with communism is that communists can't gain power democratically. Some parties win elections and call themselves communist, but they aren't. For communists to gain power through revolution, there should be overwhelming support of the proletariat for their cause. Sadly, this isn't common because there is widespread misunderstanding of what communism really is.

Hasta la victoria siempre!

[The Scientific States]

Same with fascism.

And many more isms.

I could add in Feudalism, Tribalism etc, but very few people still say those ideologies work.

The only two "failed" ideologies that are still often advocated are communism and fascism.

[Clone Creatures]

Probably because it is inherently coercive.

If you assume that society can survive without government, you'd have to be really idealistic.

Most humans are selfish assholes, and a fair sized government should exist for that reason, and to help others who have been put in bad situations by selfish assholes.

Nonsense, it isn't idealistic at all. Most people's only encounter with government is at the end of night stick or the threat of that, if not worse. Rarely has any government been of any assistance, and considering what I am compelled to surrender to it, mostly to murder people far away with robotic airplanes, well I don't have much use
for them, especially when they start to make veiled threats against their own populations.

In the last century something like 300 million people have democided. Murdered by their own goverments.
You're more likely to murdered by your own government, or one of their mercenaries, than by an invader or
a criminal. Who needs them? They only serve corporate sponsors and they are enslaving the people of the planet.

[The Scientific States]

If you assume that society can survive without government, you'd have to be really idealistic.

Most humans are selfish assholes, and a fair sized government should exist for that reason, and to help others who have been put in bad situations by selfish assholes.

Nonsense, it isn't idealistic at all. Most people's only encounter with government is at the end of night stick or the threat of that, if not worse. Rarely has any government been of any assistance, and considering what I am compelled to surrender to it, mostly to murder people far away with robotic airplanes, well I don't have much use
for them, especially when they start to make veiled threats against their own populations.

In the last century something like 300 million people have democided. Murdered by their own goverments.
You're more likely to murdered by your own government, or one of their mercenaries, than by an invader or
a criminal. Who needs them? They only serve corporate sponsors and they are enslaving the people of the planet.

I'm not advocating a strong, tyrannical government, but humanity needs government.
They're not enslaving the planet, most governments create social programs and send aid across the world. Sure, some governments fuck up, and do terrible stuff, but I figure it's either that or Somalia.

[Clone Creatures]

If you assume that society can survive without government, you'd have to be really idealistic.

Most humans are selfish assholes, and a fair sized government should exist for that reason, and to help others who have been put in bad situations by selfish assholes.

I don't. I'm just putting it out there.

I submit you already are for all practical purposes. The only help you need is a constable, a fire department, and an ambulance. Everything else could be handled at the local level. It once was ya know.

[Duvniask]

If you assume that society can survive without government, you'd have to be really idealistic.

Most humans are selfish assholes, and a fair sized government should exist for that reason, and to help others who have been put in bad situations by selfish assholes.

Nonsense, it isn't idealistic at all. Most people's only encounter with government is at the end of night stick or the threat of that, if not worse. Rarely has any government been of any assistance, and considering what I am compelled to surrender to it, mostly to murder people far away with robotic airplanes, well I don't have much use
for them, especially when they start to make veiled threats against their own populations.

In the last century something like 300 million people have democided. Murdered by their own goverments.
You're more likely to murdered by your own government, or one of their mercenaries, than by an invader or
a criminal. Who needs them? They only serve corporate sponsors and they are enslaving the people of the planet.

What is your alternative?

[Kaspias]

And many more isms.

I could add in Feudalism, Tribalism etc, but very few people still say those ideologies work.

The only two "failed" ideologies that are still often advocated are communism and fascism.

Don't forget Socialism

[Duvniask]

Communism is the only ideology that has failed every time but still has people that say it could work

Except it hasn't "failed" every time.

And define "work".

[The Scientific States]

I don't. I'm just putting it out there.

I submit you already are for all practical purposes. The only help you need is a constable, a fire department, and an ambulance. Everything else could be handled at the local level. It once was ya know.

It was when humanity wasn't advanced. Things have changed.

[The Scientific States]

I could add in Feudalism, Tribalism etc, but very few people still say those ideologies work.

The only two "failed" ideologies that are still often advocated are communism and fascism.

Don't forget Socialism

Failed isn't even the right word. Communism "fell", but it hasn't truly failed.

Not to mention no country has ever been communist, there have been plenty of socialist nations, but there has yet to be a true communist country.

[Clone Creatures]

Nonsense, it isn't idealistic at all. Most people's only encounter with government is at the end of night stick or the threat of that, if not worse. Rarely has any government been of any assistance, and considering what I am compelled to surrender to it, mostly to murder people far away with robotic airplanes, well I don't have much use
for them, especially when they start to make veiled threats against their own populations.

In the last century something like 300 million people have democided. Murdered by their own goverments.
You're more likely to murdered by your own government, or one of their mercenaries, than by an invader or
a criminal. Who needs them? They only serve corporate sponsors and they are enslaving the people of the planet.

I'm not advocating a strong, tyrannical government, but humanity needs government.
They're not enslaving the planet, most governments create social programs and send aid across the world. Sure, some governments fuck up, and do terrible stuff, but I figure it's either that or Somalia.

In the Untied States of America, where I'm currently being held hostage, the way it works is that collectives of business sponsor a politician. They do this by making tax free donations to a so-called non-profit. The non-profit organization then hires a law firm, who write up drafts of laws these corporations want put in place.

Now naturally they are writing law of self interest. Then the so-called lobbyists make contributions to a supportive
politician. Which considering the donations of combined business is considerable. However, it doesn't stop there.
No, these same business groups now have national organizations. They now have advisors put on self appointed boards to the State Governors in many states. The Labor departments are now being tasked with maintaining employment records. These same organizations have also gotten laws passed which require certification for blue collar jobs of the most mundane type, say for pressure washing roofs as an example. Now they also require any workers to have their certification done through their own employees, which of course you must pay for as well.
Lest yea complain, you will find yourself without a job or a certification to do the same job elsewhere.

Yes, I'm sorry but it is slavery, and they have also established a network of slaver overseers called human resoruces which tracks you from every job you have ever held using your social security number.

We are living in completely fascist state right now, even if there aren't marching bands of boys and torch lite parades. There are million out of work because of this bull crap. This is what is dragging the economy down the tubes. There is no free enterprise and the political system is corrupted and won't self correct.

[4years]

Communism is the only ideology that has failed every time but still has people that say it could work

So the evolution of the human race, the discovery of fire, the development of language, and the agrarian revolution count as failures? Because all of them were products of primitive communist societies. Also, communism cannot be said to have failed in the Paris Commune, Anarchist Catalonia, or the Free Territory as it was extinguished by superior military force and not internal circumstance. Communism has been the most common form of government in human history and continues to exist in the modern world.

[Unitaristic Regions]

I don't. I'm just putting it out there.

I submit you already are for all practical purposes. The only help you need is a constable, a fire department, and an ambulance. Everything else could be handled at the local level. It once was ya know.

We don't need state, maybe. We need national identity for social, uhm, "connections" (not sure if I'm translating that right) and a government to mediate and negotiate policy on the national level. State... I dunno.

[Unitaristic Regions]

Don't forget Socialism

Failed isn't even the right word. Communism "fell", but it hasn't truly failed.

Not to mention no country has ever been communist, there have been plenty of socialist nations, but there has yet to be a true communist country.

Saying socialism has failed is like saying capitalism has failed because fascism did so.

[Unitaristic Regions]

I'm not advocating a strong, tyrannical government, but humanity needs government.
They're not enslaving the planet, most governments create social programs and send aid across the world. Sure, some governments fuck up, and do terrible stuff, but I figure it's either that or Somalia.

In the Untied States of America, where I'm currently being held hostage, the way it works is that collectives of business sponsor a politician. They do this by making tax free donations to a so-called non-profit. The non-profit organization then hires a law firm, who write up drafts of laws these corporations want put in place.

Now naturally they are writing law of self interest. Then the so-called lobbyists make contributions to a supportive
politician. Which considering the donations of combined business is considerable. However, it doesn't stop there.
No, these same business groups now have national organizations. They now have advisors put on self appointed boards to the State Governors in many states. The Labor departments are now being tasked with maintaining employment records. These same organizations have also gotten laws passed which require certification for blue collar jobs of the most mundane type, say for pressure washing roofs as an example. Now they also require any workers to have their certification done through their own employees, which of course you must pay for as well.
Lest yea complain, you will find yourself without a job or a certification to do the same job elsewhere.

Yes, I'm sorry but it is slavery, and they have also established a network of slaver overseers called human resoruces which tracks you from every job you have ever held using your social security number.

We are living in completely fascist state right now, even if there aren't marching bands of boys and torch lite parades. There are million out of work because of this bull crap. This is what is dragging the economy down the tubes. There is no free enterprise and the political system is corrupted and won't self correct.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism
You really should read this, it's related and interesting.

[Pandeeria]

Communism is the only ideology that has failed every time but still has people that say it could work

So the evolution of the human race, the discovery of fire, the development of language, and the agrarian revolution count as failures? Because all of them were products of primitive communist societies. Also, communism cannot be said to have failed in the Paris Commune, Anarchist Catalonia, or the Free Territory as it was extinguished by superior military force and not internal circumstance. Communism has been the most common form of government in human history and continues to exist in the modern world.

If it can easily be conquered like that, that's all the more reason why it doesn't work.