Your thoughts on communism?

[Tengria]

I think you're thinking of Communism, where your freedoms and property are taken away and given to people who don't deserve them.

I think you're thinking of Socialism.

[Duvniask]

Social democracy is form of capitalism. Not form of socialism.

Definition varies depending on who you ask, but I strongly disagree with you. Social democracy is, by any logical definition, socialism through democracy.

No it's not. Social democracies are reformed capitalist systems. Nothing is fundamentally different about ownership over the means of production.

socialism ≠ capitalism

Which is exactly the error, that you're committing.

[Estado Paulista]

Poor nations of European-derived culture tend to be religious everywhere but in Uruguay.

Then you get Brazil and Argentina. I wouldn't call Brazil progressive and left-leaning. Rio de Janeiro perhaps (a lot less so than Uruguay, and our crentes are more loud than we secular people), but not Brazil.

This is really irrelevant and I was asking about France and the Netherlands.

[New Laikland]

I think you're thinking of Socialism.

Socialism, afaik, is the social ownership of the means of production. That's about it. Communism is where all (or most?) property is taken and spread amongst everybody. An incredibly unfair, unjust and freedom-ruining system.

[Nervium]

I think you're thinking of Communism, where your freedoms and property are taken away and given to people who don't deserve them.

I think you're thinking of Socialism.

I think the both of you don't think at all when it comes to this subject.

[The Time Alliance]

I am a Capitalist.
I Do think Communism would be okay if done in it's pure form (Marxism). In fact Marxism and Direct Democracy are the only two pure forms of Government just on separate sides of the Spectrum.

[Clone Creatures]

Communism is never going to happen, and socialism is a dead end. We're not ants, we have individual desires beyond the good of society. Competition is in our blood.

It is? Better try telling a corporate lobbyist that then. Laugh out loud, you and your kids are sold like ants right now.
The only competition going on right now is the division of labor by the corporate sponsored government by the slave masters.

Speaking of the US of course. Obviously South America is a lost cause too tied up in soccer games and political football.

[Unitaristic Regions]

Guns defend liberty?

...

What the-

Yes, liberty is a human being just like us that is protected by guns that walk around guarding it.

Oh, yes, right...

That makes sense.

"Charlie! Don't shoot at the neighbour's dog's chain! Yes, I know it's constraining him, but-"

Damn it, Charlie!

[Thafoo]

It's executed extremely badly by bad people who are bad in every way and stupid pinheads etc etc etc.

Go Sweden.

Sweden is capitalist...

It most definitely is, but in a way I very much like.

[Kronstad]

1. Second of all, firearms are the only thing preventing total global fascism.
2. Not Global Communism. Guns, and personal access to weapons is the only thing which has ever enabled any liberty what so ever on earth

1. that statement logically contradicts itself
2. "Not Global Communism." is not a sentence; also, you need to check your understanding of the word "liberty", for you clearly fail to comprehend it

[Unitaristic Regions]

?

You said that in a capitalist system you work solely to enrich the nation.

To your leaders, you are.

[Nervium]

I am a Capitalist.
I Do think Communism would be okay if done in it's pure form (Marxism). In fact Marxism and Direct Democracy are the only two pure forms of Government just on separate sides of the Spectrum.

Ugh, what?
Direct democracy isn't on the political spectrum.

[Senatus Populusque Lundensis]

The thing is, socialism isn't even nice in theory. It might seem like it is at first glance, but it is not.

Socialism is all about equality above everything else. I have nothing against equality, but (true) socialist are prepared to step over dead bodies to get there.

Another problem is that many socialists try to claim equality and charity as something unique to them -- worse still, they sometimes succeed.

[Immoren]

Social democracy is form of capitalism. Not form of socialism.

Definition varies depending on who you ask, but I strongly disagree with you. Social democracy is, by any logical definition, socialism through democracy.

socialism ≠ capitalism

Thus, you are wrong.

Social democracy is Bread-And-Circuses-Capitalism.
You might be thinking Democratic socialism.

[Duvniask]

I think you're thinking of Socialism.

Socialism, afaik, is the social ownership of the means of production. That's about it. Communism is where all (or most?) property is taken and spread amongst everybody. An incredibly unfair, unjust and freedom-ruining system.

What communism espouses is a classless and moneyless society based on common ownership. If a classless society is unfair and anti-freedom to you, then I would like to know why.

[New Laikland]

I think the both of you don't think at all when it comes to this subject.

Educate us, master.

I'm pretty sure Socialism is the social ownership of the means of production. But I mean, if you wanna prove me otherwise, feel free to.

[Kronstad]

In fact Marxism and Direct Democracy are the only two pure forms of Government just on separate sides of the Spectrum.

Marx' communism meant that the state withered away, hence there can't be any government in the Marxian communist phase.

[New Laikland]

What communism espouses is a classless and moneyless society based on common ownership. If a classless society is unfair to you, then I would like to know why.

Capitalism can be classless, too. Classes have literally nothing to do with any ideology. A society that everybody shares in the same wealth despite varying levels of production is unfair and disgusting. In Capitalism, you earn what you work for. In Communism, you steal what someone else works for.

[Nervium]

I think the both of you don't think at all when it comes to this subject.

Educate us, master.

I'm pretty sure Socialism is the social ownership of the means of production. But I mean, if you wanna prove me otherwise, feel free to.

Yes, and the abolition of private property, work place democracy, etc.
Communism is the same stuff, just without a state.

[Tengria]

Communism is never going to happen, and socialism is a dead end. We're not ants, we have individual desires beyond the good of society. Competition is in our blood.

It is? Better try telling a corporate lobbyist that then. Laugh out loud, you and your kids are sold like ants right now.
The only competition going on right now is the division of labor by the corporate sponsored government by the slave masters.

Speaking of the US of course. Obviously South America is a lost cause too tied up in soccer games and political football.

Just like communism, real capitalism doesn't really exist; the market should be completely separated from the state. I definitely prefer to live in the right wing of the spectrum, though.

[New Socialist South Africa]

Social democracy is form of capitalism. Not form of socialism.

Definition varies depending on who you ask, but I strongly disagree with you. Social democracy is, by any logical definition, socialism through democracy.

socialism ≠ capitalism

Thus, you are wrong.

No sorry you are wrong. Socialism requires the workers to control the means of production, Democratic Socialism seeks to create a strong welfare, education and / or healthcare state with high amounts of state intervention and usually quite high taxes (particularly for the rich and for big businesses), but the bourgeoisie still control the means of production (they just have to be much cleverer, luckier, wealthier or more ruthless to survive and prosper). As the bourgeoisie and not the workers control the means of production under Democratic Socialism, it is actually just a leftist form of Capitalism.

[Unitaristic Regions]

The thing is, socialism isn't even nice in theory. It might seem like it is at first glance, but it is not.

Socialism is all about equality above everything else. I have nothing against equality, but (true) socialist are prepared to step over dead bodies to get there.

Another problem is that many socialists try to claim equality and charity as something unique to them -- worse still, they sometimes succeed.

Just like true capitalists are prepared to step over dead bodies for profits?

[Senatus Populusque Lundensis]

Definition varies depending on who you ask, but I strongly disagree with you. Social democracy is, by any logical definition, socialism through democracy.

socialism ≠ capitalism

Thus, you are wrong.

Social democracy is Bread-And-Circuses-Capitalism.
You might be thinking Democratic socialism.

I know Wikipedia isn't the best of sources, but... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy

Still socialism.

EDIT: OK, I feel pretty stupid right now. After looking more closely, it would seem that both of our definitions are accepted.

[Duvniask]

The thing is, socialism isn't even nice in theory. It might seem like it is at first glance, but it is not.

For you.

Socialism is all about equality above everything else. I have nothing against equality,

While important, absolute equality is not central to socialist thought.

but (true) socialist are prepared to step over dead bodies to get there.

Clearly not.

Another problem is that many socialists try to claim equality and charity as something unique to them -- worse still, they sometimes succeed.

Generalizing much?

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

Poor nations of European-derived culture tend to be religious everywhere but in Uruguay.

Then you get Brazil and Argentina. I wouldn't call Brazil progressive and left-leaning. Rio de Janeiro perhaps (a lot less so than Uruguay, and our crentes are more loud than we secular people), but not Brazil.

This is really irrelevant and I was asking about France and the Netherlands.

The examples of countries with all characteristics cited stopped at Uruguay, yep.