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Lindenholt
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Postby Lindenholt » Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:26 pm

"Communism is a Philosophy of Failure, the Creed of Ignorance and the Gospel of Envy. It's inherent Virtue is the Equal sharing of Misery." - Winston Churchill
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Postby Estado Paulista » Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:27 pm

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:Uruguay seems pretty progressive and left-leaning. It's the most atheist and most irreligious in Latin America.


The left only grew in South America because they were seen as an alternative to the neo-liberal economic policies that were responsible for the Lost Decade. They don't vote for the left because they are "poor, yet irreligious and western". They vote for the left because they don't want what happened in the late 80's/early 90's to happen again. I'm pretty sure that within two generations at the absolute most, they won't be the dominant political force in Uruguay.

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:Then comes France, Netherlands, and various other European countries.


And since when are these countries poor?
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Postby The Damnatius » Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:27 pm

It's a nice idea, in theory. At a certain size, it doesn't work.
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Postby Luveria » Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:27 pm

Lindenholt wrote:"Communism is a Philosophy of Failure, the Creed of Ignorance and the Gospel of Envy. It's inherent Virtue is the Equal sharing of Misery." - Winston Churchill


I refuse to share my misery. It is my property.
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Tengria
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Postby Tengria » Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:28 pm

Communism is never going to happen, and socialism is a dead end. We're not ants, we have individual desires beyond the good of society. Competition is in our blood.

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Postby Nervium » Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:28 pm

Lindenholt wrote:"Communism is a Philosophy of Failure, the Creed of Ignorance and the Gospel of Envy. It's inherent Virtue is the Equal sharing of Misery." - Winston Churchill


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Postby Senatus Populusque Lundensis » Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:29 pm

Immoren wrote:
Novo Portugal wrote:
Nowadays Socialism = Democratic socialism, Social democracy, etc

Social democracy is form of capitalism. Not form of socialism.

Definition varies depending on who you ask, but I strongly disagree with you. Social democracy is, by any logical definition, socialism through democracy.

socialism ≠ capitalism

Thus, you are wrong.

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Postby New Laikland » Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:29 pm

Nervium wrote:
Lindenholt wrote:"Communism is a Philosophy of Failure, the Creed of Ignorance and the Gospel of Envy. It's inherent Virtue is the Equal sharing of Misery." - Winston Churchill


"I think gassing native Indians is all fine and dandy" - Overrated UK Prime Minister known by the name of Winston Churchill.

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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:29 pm

Nervium wrote:
Lindenholt wrote:"Communism is a Philosophy of Failure, the Creed of Ignorance and the Gospel of Envy. It's inherent Virtue is the Equal sharing of Misery." - Winston Churchill


"I think gassing native Indians is all fine and dandy" - Overrated UK Prime Minister known by the name of Winston Churchill.

"A witty saying proves nothing." -Voltaire


I could not agree more.
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Postby Nervium » Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:30 pm

Luveria wrote:
Lindenholt wrote:"Communism is a Philosophy of Failure, the Creed of Ignorance and the Gospel of Envy. It's inherent Virtue is the Equal sharing of Misery." - Winston Churchill


I refuse to share my misery. It is my property.


But is it private property?
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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:30 pm

Tengria wrote:Communism is never going to happen, and socialism is a dead end. We're not ants, we have individual desires beyond the good of society. Competition is in our blood.


The nice thing is that capitalism is the true ideology that sees us as ants, meant only to work and increase GDP and wealth.
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Postby Kronstad » Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:30 pm

Socialism? Yes. Communism? Not after the Soviet Union or Mao's China.

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Postby Estado Paulista » Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:32 pm

Lindenholt wrote:"Communism is a Philosophy of Failure, the Creed of Ignorance and the Gospel of Envy. It's inherent Virtue is the Equal sharing of Misery." - Winston Churchill


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Postby Clone Creatures » Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:33 pm

New Laikland wrote:
Luveria wrote:
And its worst setbacks, like making healthcare reform in the US near impossible because of how it is commonly labelled "socialism" which is another name for "communism".


not ta' mention they gon took er guns!


First of all, compulsory anything is either communism or fascism: Period.
Second of all, firearms are the only thing preventing total global fascism.
Not Global Communism.

Guns, and personal access to weapons is the only thing which has ever enabled any liberty what so ever on earth.

Why? Because people think they need governments, and because they can be convinced they need them, then other people think they have to have an organized defense against them. Just in case they turn in to nut cases ya know.

This is why President George Washington spend the majority of his life organizing a military system in the United States which was decentralized. It was called Washingtons Plan No#2 For the Organization of Militia.

Because this understanding of the critical nature of the design is not known any longer, it is not appreciated how
critical this design was to the internal security of the United States in sustaining liberty and independence from a centralized government.

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Postby Tengria » Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:33 pm

Unitaristic Regions wrote:
Tengria wrote:Communism is never going to happen, and socialism is a dead end. We're not ants, we have individual desires beyond the good of society. Competition is in our blood.


The nice thing is that capitalism is the true ideology that sees us as ants, meant only to work and increase GDP and wealth.

I didn't get it. Are you saying your income tax is 100%?

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Postby New Laikland » Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:33 pm

Kronstad wrote:Socialism? Yes. Communism? Not after the Soviet Union or Mao's China.

What do those have to do with communism? They were socialists.

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Postby Indira » Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:34 pm

Nice in theory. Unworkable on a national scale

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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:34 pm

Clone Creatures wrote:
New Laikland wrote:
not ta' mention they gon took er guns!


First of all, compulsory anything is either communism or fascism: Period.
Second of all, firearms are the only thing preventing total global fascism.
Not Global Communism.

Guns, and personal access to weapons is the only thing which has ever enabled any liberty what so ever on earth.

Why? Because people think they need governments, and because they can be convinced they need them, then other people think they have to have an organized defense against them. Just in case they turn in to nut cases ya know.

This is why President George Washington spend the majority of his life organizing a military system in the United States which was decentralized. It was called Washingtons Plan No#2 For the Organization of Militia.

Because this understanding of the critical nature of the design is not known any longer, it is not appreciated how
critical this design was to the internal security of the United States in sustaining liberty and independence from a centralized government.


Guns defend liberty?

...

What the-
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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:35 pm

Tengria wrote:
Unitaristic Regions wrote:
The nice thing is that capitalism is the true ideology that sees us as ants, meant only to work and increase GDP and wealth.

I didn't get it. Are you saying your income tax is 100%?


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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:35 pm

Estado Paulista wrote:
Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:Then comes France, Netherlands, and various other European countries.

And since when are these countries poor?

Poor nations of European-derived culture tend to be religious everywhere but in Uruguay.

Then you get Brazil and Argentina. I wouldn't call Brazil progressive and left-leaning. Rio de Janeiro perhaps (a lot less so than Uruguay, and our crentes are more loud than we secular people), but not Brazil.
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Postby Ublia » Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:35 pm

An interesting ideology, but I prefer Social Democracy.
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Postby New Laikland » Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:35 pm

Clone Creatures wrote:
First of all, compulsory anything is either communism or fascism: Period.
Second of all, firearms are the only thing preventing total global fascism.
Not Global Communism.

Guns, and personal access to weapons is the only thing which has ever enabled any liberty what so ever on earth.

Why? Because people think they need governments, and because they can be convinced they need them, then other people think they have to have an organized defense against them. Just in case they turn in to nut cases ya know.

This is why President George Washington spend the majority of his life organizing a military system in the United States which was decentralized. It was called Washingtons Plan No#2 For the Organization of Militia.

Because this understanding of the critical nature of the design is not known any longer, it is not appreciated how
critical this design was to the internal security of the United States in sustaining liberty and independence from a centralized government.


I don't quite think you realize what Fascism is. But, meh. I think you're thinking of Communism, where your freedoms and property are taken away and given to people who don't deserve them. Fascism... not so much.

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Postby Tengria » Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:36 pm

Unitaristic Regions wrote:
Tengria wrote:I didn't get it. Are you saying your income tax is 100%?


?

You said that in a capitalist system you work solely to enrich the nation.

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New Laikland
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Postby New Laikland » Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:36 pm

Unitaristic Regions wrote:Guns defend liberty?

...

What the-


Yes, liberty is a human being just like us that is protected by guns that walk around guarding it.

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Postby Kronstad » Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:37 pm

Lindenholt wrote:"Communism is a Philosophy of Failure, the Creed of Ignorance and the Gospel of Envy. It's inherent Virtue is the Equal sharing of Misery." - Winston Churchill

It's funny to read Churchill's opinion on a doctrine based on Hegel and Marx, the works of whom he barely understood.

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