Your thoughts on communism?

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

Have you considered that a stateless, moneyless, classless society was in the past and never recently because it's impossible now?

Or because people perpetuate ideology if it puts them at power? Because humans are ultimately corrupt, herd-following or lazy, idk? Because the means that can create an ideology opposite to these institutions is a recent creation that is constantly trying to be thwarted from within and from outside the attempting societies?

[Basseemia]

Okay so I feel that in certain ways communism is great. Equality for all in the aspects of social classes. Its a utopia. But thats what also makes it bad. Equality for all. It makes any meaning of trying to succeed impossible unless youre a government official or of some sort of high ranking. If no one is able to succeed then whats the point of even trying, or in a more radical view, living. What's the point if the reason to live is to stay mediocre for the rest of your life. On a more positive side, there is no jealousy of others for what they own and their anual income. It is obviously equality but put to the extreme.

[Luveria]

Okay so I feel that in certain ways communism is great. Equality for all in the aspects of social classes. Its a utopia. But thats what also makes it bad. Equality for all. It makes any meaning of trying to succeed impossible unless youre a government official or of some sort of high ranking. If no one is able to succeed then whats the point of even trying, or in a more radical view, living. What's the point if the reason to live is to stay mediocre for the rest of your life. On a more positive side, there is no jealousy of others for what they own and their anual income. It is obviously equality but put to the extreme.

What you have described is state socialism, not communism.

[New Laikland]

"A Communist is someone who reads Marx and Engels. An Anti-Communist is someone who understand Marx and Engels."

This pretty much sums up my opinion on Communists, but Communism itself, IMO, is a horrible, impossible system on any grand level. A country like Iceland might succeed, a tiny, closely knit population, but anything bigger than the micro states or Iceland"ish" countries would be a failure.

[Estado Paulista]

The poorer, more Westernized, more educated and less religious countries we have, all at the same time, tend to not vote right-wing and when they do, it is not a right-wing nowhere close e.g. the American one. It is the best I can think of, of course we don't have a census of political and ideological orientation for all the 7 billion of us speaking more than 6000 languages and divided in even more varied cultures.

I don't even know what countries you're talking about. Care to be more specific?

You're picky, and annoying.

*calls mom*

Anyway, I saw people from all the political spectrum saying we are politically ignorant and apathetic here, against his assumption it's a pretentious commie thing. That was my point.

Being politically apathetic doesn't mean one is politically ignorant, or lacks "political conscientiousness".

[Clone Creatures]

communism drived our nation to a civil war and scornered our traditions , i dont like it but i see there is some good thing in it , its way better than liberalism , but i still dont like it.

OK, but liberalism really means you support the most liberty available under the law without total anarchy.
Not what the pretended liberals of our time are supporting.


Properly understood, liberalism is the foundation for freedom. It is the only reason
the American Bill of Rights came in to existence. Without which the US would have
long ago become the totalitarian state it is now moving towards.

Right now the Liberties of the people of the US are being overthrown. Probably by corporate black ops.

In all such cases, when starting a revolution, or overthrow of a civilization or society, one of the most
important things is to seize on key words, and to redefine them. Liberalism is a prime example of this
redefining, and as such it is also a fingerprint of overt overthrow which is on-going.

Bear in mind, the US Constitution was put before the people to vote on after the end of the American Revolution in each state. Every state had to vote to approve the constitution before they became part of the union. However, there were no prohibitions on government power, so no one was approving the new constitution.

Who would vote for making a potential king when your family had just gotten done fighting against one?
It was only after the Bill of Rights was added to Constitution that the people voted to approve it.

This means, legally anyways, that the Bill of Rights aren't amendments. They are in-fact integral to the Constitution. Subversion of which is treason, regardless of what some may think to the contrary.

[New Socialist South Africa]

Communism, as in a stateless, moneyless, classless society where the community as a whole control the means of production, is a interesting and utopian idea; but sadly I don't think it would successfully work in practise for very long until the society fell into deep poverty. I support an Education and Healthcare state Democratic Socialist economic model.

[Luveria]

Have you considered that a stateless, moneyless, classless society was in the past and never recently because it's impossible now?

Or because people perpetuate ideology if it puts them at power? Because humans are ultimately corrupt, herd-following or lazy, idk? Because the means that can create an ideology opposite to these institutions is a recent creation that is constantly trying to be thwarted from within and from outside the attempting societies?

Or you're wasting your time trying to advance an ideology you know is impossible.

[Mecklenburg-Vorpommern]

I don't find it bad. Just an ideology to me.

[Estado Paulista]

Our brains changed on the biological level?

The human society/common culture =/= the human nature

No. Anyway, the concept of 'human nature' is in itself, pretty vague.

[Unitaristic Regions]

Communism, as in a stateless, moneyless, classless society where the community as a whole control the means of production, is a interesting and utopian idea; but sadly I don't think it would successfully work in practise for very long until the society fell into deep poverty. I support an Education and Healthcare state Democratic Socialist economic model.

Hmmm... With or without private enterprise? I would say without...

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

Or because people perpetuate ideology if it puts them at power? Because humans are ultimately corrupt, herd-following or lazy, idk? Because the means that can create an ideology opposite to these institutions is a recent creation that is constantly trying to be thwarted from within and from outside the attempting societies?

Or you're wasting your time trying to advance an ideology you know is impossible.

I wouldn't think it's just wasting time even if it is impossible. Some of the best reforms capitalism experienced were as a response to its existence.

[Unitaristic Regions]

Or because people perpetuate ideology if it puts them at power? Because humans are ultimately corrupt, herd-following or lazy, idk? Because the means that can create an ideology opposite to these institutions is a recent creation that is constantly trying to be thwarted from within and from outside the attempting societies?

Or you're wasting your time trying to advance an ideology you know is impossible.

That's rather rash . Give the guy a shot to defend himself at least.

[Rapidblaze]

i've always thought: if something is regarded as 'utopian' or impossible today, but it has worthy merit, then why should we stick to our old policies because of this precisely? nothing is impossible, and though it might seem like this on first glance, if the end goal it not that bad then one step is a journey to a million.

[Luveria]

Or you're wasting your time trying to advance an ideology you know is impossible.

I wouldn't think it's just wasting time even if it is impossible. Some of the best reforms capitalism experienced were as a response to its existence.

And its worst setbacks, like making healthcare reform in the US near impossible because of how it is commonly labelled "socialism" which is another name for "communism".

[New Laikland]

And its worst setbacks, like making healthcare reform in the US near impossible because of how it is commonly labelled "socialism" which is another name for "communism".

not ta' mention they gon took er guns!

[Unitaristic Regions]

I wouldn't think it's just wasting time even if it is impossible. Some of the best reforms capitalism experienced were as a response to its existence.

And its worst setbacks, like making healthcare reform in the US near impossible because of how it is commonly labelled "socialism" which is another name for "communism".

No, that's because Americans can be idiots. Don't blame rabid patriotism and disinformation on communism.

[New Laikland]

No, that's because Americans can be idiots. Don't blame rabid patriotism and disinformation on communism.

Yes, because Americans are the only ones capable of being idiots

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

The poorer, more Westernized, more educated and less religious countries we have, all at the same time, tend to not vote right-wing and when they do, it is not a right-wing nowhere close e.g. the American one. It is the best I can think of, of course we don't have a census of political and ideological orientation for all the 7 billion of us speaking more than 6000 languages and divided in even more varied cultures.

I don't even know what countries you're talking about. Care to be more specific?

Uruguay seems pretty progressive and left-leaning. It's the most atheist and most irreligious in Latin America.

Then comes France, Netherlands, and various other European countries.

Just don't ask me what the hell went wrong with Estonia.

[Clone Creatures]

Well-educated, informed really poor people?

Sure, when they are religious or make part of an ultraconservative culture regardless.

Western[ized] secular, well-educated poor people tend to be a lot left-leaning. That is why I previously mentioned class interests.

Source?

No, not at all where I live. It is a term used by Brazilians for how Brazilians are in a way that affects us all negatively, if Estado Paulista will excuse my unnecessary mention of it.

Not everyone here lives where you do so you should really make an effort to use the most neutral expression as possible, therefore I won't excuse you.

Oh ya know, say some of the founding fathers, like Patrick Henry, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson. Those kinds. Just read what they say about social justice. Yea, those kinds of left wingers.

[New Laikland]

Oh ya know, the say some of the founding fathers, like Patrick Henry, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson. Those kinds. Just read what they say about social justice. Yea, those kinds of left wingers.

Source that those are real people?

I never heard of that "Washing-tonn" fellow..

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

I wouldn't think it's just wasting time even if it is impossible. Some of the best reforms capitalism experienced were as a response to its existence.

And its worst setbacks, like making healthcare reform in the US near impossible because of how it is commonly labelled "socialism" which is another name for "communism".

This one, you can blame on Lenin and the consequences of what he did, not on Marx, or in Marx's predecessors.

Different dimensions.

[Microsol]

It's irrelevant.

[New Socialist South Africa]

Communism, as in a stateless, moneyless, classless society where the community as a whole control the means of production, is a interesting and utopian idea; but sadly I don't think it would successfully work in practise for very long until the society fell into deep poverty. I support an Education and Healthcare state Democratic Socialist economic model.

Hmmm... With or without private enterprise? I would say without...

With, but very limited (due to many business regulations and requirements, and very high tax rates for the wealthy and businesses - so basically you need to be VERY clever, lucky or wealthy to last long in the very small private sector).

[Luveria]

And its worst setbacks, like making healthcare reform in the US near impossible because of how it is commonly labelled "socialism" which is another name for "communism".

No, that's because Americans can be idiots. Don't blame rabid patriotism and disinformation on communism.

I'm not. If someone says some of the best reforms capitalism experienced were as a response to communism's existence, I can say that about the worst setbacks that happened from a fear of communism (due to its existence) which led to a kneejerk reaction against anything remotely beneficial to the poor.