Your thoughts on communism?

[The Land of Truth]

Considering that every country in the world is capitalist, bullshit.

Not every country in the world is capitalist. Not even close.

Name one that isn't.

[Jetan]

So you admit to being wrong then? After all, the claim was that all land is stolen. Where is your proof that this common ownership ended on theft?

Land is not a commodity.

Says who?

[Blasveck]

It sure does work great, provided the Chinese work in substandard working conditions.

If that's your definition of 'works', then sure, it works.

I'm not all for every aspect of it, we do need regulations on shipping jobs abroad, in fact that's one flaw of the capitalist system we have currently, however we can still have capitalism, and workers/labour rights. We don't need to go overboard on globalization, which we are unfortunately doing.

One of many.

Among them, the fact that so few own the profits of others' labor. And own so much.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Not every country in the world is capitalist. Not even close.

Name one that isn't.

North Korea.

[Meritocratic States]

Looks great in paper, not very good in practice.

The Cold War has proven that.

Proved what exactly?

Capitalism looks great in paper, but not very good in practice.

The fact that Capitalism goes through periodic crisis and that the state always has to intervene to save them from imploding upon themselves is proof of that.

I advocate economic liberalism, and the freedom for businesses to expand and to boost the economy, which will benefit everyone in the end.

Communism does the complete opposite.

Instead we have a rigid planned economy, which is inflexible to meet the changes of growth and demand.

Not to mention it is more unstable than capitalist economies.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

Proved what exactly?

Capitalism looks great in paper, but not very good in practice.

The fact that Capitalism goes through periodic crisis and that the state always has to intervene to save them from imploding upon themselves is proof of that.

It still does fine. That's one flaw of capitalism, it has a few problems, but take a look at the Western World. The entire developed world is capitalist, so it appears that capitalism is doing fine.

So, just because the entire developed world is capitalist, we should keep on it because it would be bad to change tracks now...why exactly?

It is to be expected that the entire developed world is Capitalist, and, despite being unfair, it is better than feudalism or such things, it is just that Socialism is better, and the state of Communism yet still better.

[Conscentia]

This has nothing to do with his opinion - it's to do with the erroneous basis of his opinion.

So you do not like the basis of his beliefs on politeness.

No - the basis of his opinions on communism are erroneous. They are based on an erroneous understanding of history & communism, and the logical fallacies of ad hominem & appeal to nature.

[The Scientific States]

Why is it terrible? It's given the Western World great living standards, everything around you that is a item was produced by the "capitalist system."

It seems like you believe capitalism automatically means, unregulated, laissez faire capitalism.

Regulated capitalism, like the kind we have in the developed world, works great.

Capitalism's real success is in Africa, South America and Asia.

Capitalism has proved successful in parts of South America, like Chile. The economy has grown enormously, and millions have been lifted out of poverty. Granted they have yet to establish a true welfare state, which is needed.

In other parts of South America, let's say Venezuela, the markets aren't free, millions are in terrible poverty, and the government can't afford anything.

There are very few capitalist countries in Africa, the only true capitalist country there is Mauritius, and they have the highest standard of living in Africa, and one of the lowest income inequality rates.

Parts of Asia, like South Korea and Japan, have capitalism and a welfare system, which creates a wealthy, fairly egalitarian society, while in Vietnam the markets aren't very free, and people living in crippling poverty.

Thanks for proving me right.

[4years]

1. Incorrect. Communism, or any other anarchic ideology, will have a government. It is the state that is abolished.

2. A communist society would abolish the state, not the government.

3. You can't just leap from capitalist society to communism. You must a have a socialist transitional phase, a dictatorship of the proletariat. Money, class, and the state or to ingrained to abolish them overnight.

Incorrect, as a new ruling class would be antithetical to the abolition of classes advocated by communism. Both would have to go, the state and ruling class.

The dictatorship of the proletriat isn't communism, it is the socialist transitional period. The dictatorship of the bourgeois is desposed by the socialist dictatorship of the proletriat, the proletriat eventually abolishes itself as the ruling class and in doing so abolishes class society.

[Conscentia]

Not every country in the world is capitalist. Not even close.

Every global economy is predominantly capitalist.

[Socialist Tera]

Capitalism's real success is in Africa, South America and Asia.

While I can't say communism did much for Africa or South America(Barring Cuba and a couple other countries), it sure has done wonders for Asia.

It has done wonders in Vietnam, the economy is Vietnam is amazing. Communism did not do much in South America because the US sponsored coups. Pol Pot was US CIA funded. http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/US_Th ... olPot.html Revisionism in China and North Korea destroyed those two countries.

[The Scientific States]

Not every country in the world is capitalist. Not even close.

Name one that isn't.

North Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, Laos, almost the entire continent of Africa has far to many restrictions on the market.

[Shinpitekina]

There are many more starving people in countries where the markets aren't free. Am I saying those countries are socialist? No, but they're certainly not capitalist.

You clearly have no understanding of capitalism.

Considering that every country in the world is capitalist, bullshit.

Considering that not every country has a problem with starvation, starvation isn't caused by capitalism. You just shot down your own argument.

[Blasveck]

Proved what exactly?

Capitalism looks great in paper, but not very good in practice.

The fact that Capitalism goes through periodic crisis and that the state always has to intervene to save them from imploding upon themselves is proof of that.

I advocate economic liberalism, and the freedom for businesses to expand and to boost the economy, which will benefit everyone in the end.

Communism does the complete opposite.

Instead we have a rigid planned economy, which is inflexible to meet the changes of growth and demand.

Not to mention it is more unstable than capitalist economies.

I suggest you look into Participism.

It has all the benefits of a communism without the drawbacks of centrally planned economies.

[Conscentia]

Capitalism's real success is in Africa, South America and Asia.

Capitalism has proved successful in parts of South America, like Chile. The economy has grown enormously, and millions have been lifted out of poverty. Granted they have yet to establish a true welfare state, which is needed.

In other parts of South America, let's say Venezuela, the markets aren't free, millions are in terrible poverty, and the government can't afford anything.

There are very few capitalist countries in Africa, the only true capitalist country there is Mauritius, and they have the highest standard of living in Africa, and one of the lowest income inequality rates.

Parts of Asia, like South Korea and Japan, have capitalism and a welfare system, which creates a wealthy, fairly egalitarian society, while in Vietnam the markets aren't very free, and people living in crippling poverty.

Thanks for proving me right.

Please do not attribute the benefits of global trade to capitalism.

[Luveria]

Yeah, and it's socialism's fault for people starving in North Korea.

And it's socialism's fault for people who were starving in Cambodia.

Just like you act as if laissez-faire is the only type of capitalism, I can act as if nutjobs like Pol Pot are the only kind of socialists.

1. Except if North Korea was socialist, nobody would be starving, because they'd have enough food to go around.

Haha, no. That isn't how socialism works... a state socialist system can be horrendously mismanaged. A democratic and decentralized form of socialism could still be prone to famines and external interference. Socialism is not defined as "no one is starving."

2. Same for Cambodia.

See above.

3. Please quote me where I said that.

Oh uhmm....

I am communist,only people what i hate is capitalists! They are eating our world,they raid and kill each other for what think?? MONEY!!!!! All communists know that,we cannot talk about this in public because they could kill us!

That totally describes Sweden, amirite? I mean, last time I heard, in Sweden if in public you mention you're a communist, they'll have you offed by a death squad.

[The Land of Truth]

Name one that isn't.

North Korea.

Yeah, state capitalism isn't capitalism at all. /sarcasm

[Shinpitekina]

Name one that isn't.

North Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, Laos, almost the entire continent of Africa has far to many restrictions on the market.

Capitalism and freedom of the market are separate axes on a political scale.

[4years]

Not that specific example, but yes to a certain extant. If we go back to before the agricultural revolution, we have tribal socieities owning virtually all the land on earth in common (with the obvious exceptions of Antarctic, etc.).

1. So you admit to being wrong then? After all, the claim was that all land is stolen. 2. Where is your proof that this common ownership ended on theft?

1. No, if just demonstrated the validity of the claim.
2. The fact that the land is now privately owned.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

Proved what exactly?

Capitalism looks great in paper, but not very good in practice.

The fact that Capitalism goes through periodic crisis and that the state always has to intervene to save them from imploding upon themselves is proof of that.

I advocate economic liberalism, and the freedom for businesses to expand and to boost the economy, which will benefit everyone in the end.

Except, even browsing through only American History, one can already see that the era where there is considerably less government regulation, crisis are more frequent. Letting the free market run its course has not, nor ever have, produced the best of all possible worlds.

Communism does the complete opposite.

Instead we have a rigid planned economy, which is inflexible to meet the changes of growth and demand.

Not to mention it is more unstable than capitalist economies.

Again, not Communism.

[Conscentia]

Name one that isn't.

North Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, Laos, almost the entire continent of Africa has far to many restrictions on the market.

See: State capitalism is usually described as an economic system in which commercial (i.e. for-profit) economic activity is undertaken by the state, with management and organization of the means of production in a capitalist manner, including the system of wage labor and centralized management.[1] This designation applies to economies regardless of the political aims of the state, even if the state is nominally socialist.[2] State capitalism is characterized by the dominance of state-owned business enterprises in the economy.

Market capitalism is the private ownership of the means of production, and their operation for profit. Level of regulation is irrelevant.

[The Land of Truth]

Considering that every country in the world is capitalist, bullshit.

Considering that not every country has a problem with starvation, starvation isn't caused by capitalism. You just shot down your own argument.

The fact that even one country has a problem with starvation is horrible.

[Luveria]

Considering that not every country has a problem with starvation, starvation isn't caused by capitalism. You just shot down your own argument.

Name one country where people don't starve.

Welfare states?

[Astograth]

While I can't say communism did much for Africa or South America(Barring Cuba and a couple other countries), it sure has done wonders for Asia.

It has done wonders in Vietnam, the economy is Vietnam is amazing. Communism did not do much in South America because the US sponsored coups. Pol Pot was US CIA funded. http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/US_Th ... olPot.html Revisionism in China and North Korea destroyed those two countries.

Renowned heartless Marxist Salvador Allende instituted a free half-litre of milk for all Chilean children, a program so corrupted by communist ideals it continued right through the neoliberal dictatorship.

[Good Mind]

Name one country where people don't starve.

Welfare states?

How so ?