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Postby Shinpitekina » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:23 am

British Monarchist2 wrote:
United British Union wrote:This is what the Communists would do:

1. Strip the Upper-Class of our Estates, Money and such.

2. They give a tiny fraction to the people and keep the rest.

3. As the working class works on the land, the fruit of it is taken and given to 'The State,' or, as it really is, sirs, the Party.

Yeah

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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:23 am

Free market Viet Nam wrote:Three clues
1. In my country, we fought against a communist occupying force that had ruled since 1975
2. A New Years tradition that began in 1998 involves taking the metal of a Hammer and sickle and melting them into a mold with a design, which is then hung from the wall as a decoration.
3. the President, Phan Sinh Thieu, once said "The union boss will eat my lobster and my fish, then turn to my neighbor and pay him for it,"


In my country, we had an Agarian Maoist madman who had a thing against people with glasses, ethnic-chinese, and people in general.

Our leader is now so famous, that right wingers use him all the time as proof that Communism failed.

And none of this information is at all relevant.

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Postby Trolldonia » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:23 am

United British Union wrote:
Duvniask wrote:One should not care about tradition, when it stands in the way of progress.

Without tradition, many people (myself included,) would have no need for existence.


That's not our problem.

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Postby Luveria » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:24 am

The Scientific States wrote:
United British Union wrote:Communism basically wants to destroy the chain of events-the traditions and history of nations and use the psychical land of this history for their own gain. One believes that this has occurred in all Communist nations.


Bullshit.

Not to mention, there has never been a communist nation before. Your arguments against communism are so silly, you're basing them off of falsehoods.

It feels weird arguing against those who are opposed to communism, given that I'm also opposed to communism, for reasons other than "communism fails"


It's not weird at all. These counter-productive "anti-communists" spreading easily disproven lies and fallacies against what I oppose are my enemies. Not the communists.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:24 am

United British Union wrote:Communism basically wants to destroy the chain of events-the traditions and history of nations and use the psychical land of this history for their own gain. One believes that this has occurred in all Communist nations.

No, the communists wish for every man to be given an equal share of their works; something aristocrats and monarchist oppose. Still, communism offshoots of communism were failures, as they still gave the state too much power over the populace.
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Postby Good Mind » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:24 am

United British Union wrote:
Duvniask wrote:One should not care about tradition, when it stands in the way of progress.

Without tradition, many people (myself included,) would have no need for existence. Communism wants to eliminate everything and put it in the State.


Communist don't want State existing.
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Postby British Monarchist2 » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:24 am

United British Union wrote:
Duvniask wrote:One should not care about tradition, when it stands in the way of progress.

Without tradition, many people (myself included,) would have no need for existence. Communism wants to eliminate everything and put it in the State.

And the people who work for em.

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Postby Socialist Tera » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:24 am

United British Union wrote:
Duvniask wrote:One should not care about tradition, when it stands in the way of progress.

Without tradition, many people (myself included,) would have no need for existence. Communism wants to eliminate everything and put it in the State.

The change of tradition is progress, the feudal system was traditional of one point. The removal and change of tradition is a step in the right way and especially traditions that hurts a majority of the population.
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Postby British Monarchist2 » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:25 am

But I don't think getting rid of tradition is bad.
Should be done if its in way of progress.

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Postby Free market Viet Nam » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:25 am

Carto-Geography wrote:In true communism, the total wealth of a nation is divided up between all the workers. Since a very productive worker would get paid just as much as one who meets the minimum requirements, there would be little incentive to work, fewer goods would be produced, and the system would crumble. Communism isn't all :hug: .

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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:25 am

United British Union wrote:Communism basically wants to destroy the chain of events-the traditions and history of nations and use the psychical land of this history for their own gain. One believes that this has occurred in all Communist nations.


Only one believes that that has occured in all Communist nations, namely, you.


Also, the rest of it is incoherent.

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Postby Conscentia » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:26 am

United British Union wrote:
Duvniask wrote:One should not care about tradition, when it stands in the way of progress.

Without tradition, many people (myself included,) would have no need for existence. Communism wants to eliminate everything and put it in the State.

Communism (from Latin communis – common, universal) is a socialist movement to create a classless, moneyless, and stateless social order structured upon common ownership of the means of production, as well as a social, political and economic ideology that aims at the establishment of this social order.
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Postby New Aerios » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:26 am

United British Union wrote:1. Strip the Upper-Class of our Estates, Money and such.


Can you please stop pretending to be an aristocrat? It's not at all convincing - especially given that you just seem to be calling absolutely everyone "sir" all the time - and it's making you look rather silly.
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Postby Trolldonia » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:27 am

New Aerios wrote:
United British Union wrote:1. Strip the Upper-Class of our Estates, Money and such.


Can you please stop pretending to be an aristocrat? It's not at all convincing - especially given that you just seem to be calling absolutely everyone "sir" all the time - and it's making you look rather silly.


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Postby Good Mind » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:27 am

United British Union wrote:
Duvniask wrote:One should not care about tradition, when it stands in the way of progress.

Without tradition, many people (myself included,) would have no need for existence. Communism wants to eliminate everything and put it in the State.


“Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.” - Buddha
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Postby Socialist Tera » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:27 am

British Monarchist2 wrote:But I don't think getting rid of tradition is bad.
Should be done if its in way of progress.

Would you support the removal of the monarchy if you found out the monarchy is damaging and it is in the way of progress?
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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:27 am

United British Union wrote:
Duvniask wrote:One should not care about tradition, when it stands in the way of progress.

Without tradition, many people (myself included,) would have no need for existence. Communism wants to eliminate everything and put it in the State.



You live a pretty sad life and you are wrong,

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Postby United British Union » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:27 am

British Monarchist2 wrote:But I don't think getting rid of tradition is bad.
Should be done if its in way of progress.

You must see that COmmunism removed tradition violently!

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Postby Conscentia » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:28 am

Carto-Geography wrote:In true communism, the total wealth of a nation is divided up between all the workers. Since a very productive worker would get paid just as much as one who meets the minimum requirements, there would be little incentive to work, fewer goods would be produced, and the system would crumble. Communism isn't all :hug: .

Actually, communists are opposed to wage labour. They advocate alternative incentives, and propose alternative means of exchange.
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Postby United British Union » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:28 am

Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
United British Union wrote:Without tradition, many people (myself included,) would have no need for existence. Communism wants to eliminate everything and put it in the State.



You live a pretty sad life and you are wrong,

I agree my life may be 'sad'-I agree with that myself. But I doubt their is a 'wrong' in a debate such as this.

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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:29 am

British Monarchist2 wrote:But I don't think getting rid of tradition is bad.
Should be done if its in way of progress.


So if the King decides that he's officially a Marxist, denounces and abolish tradition, establish a socialist society, and then steps down to be a citizen, would you support him?

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:29 am

United British Union wrote:
British Monarchist2 wrote:But I don't think getting rid of tradition is bad.
Should be done if its in way of progress.

You must see that COmmunism removed tradition violently!

And feudalism and aristocracy removed progress violently.
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Postby British Monarchist2 » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:30 am

Socialist Tera wrote:
British Monarchist2 wrote:But I don't think getting rid of tradition is bad.
Should be done if its in way of progress.

Would you support the removal of the monarchy if you found out the monarchy is damaging and it is in the way of progress?

Only afterinvestigation
Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
British Monarchist2 wrote:But I don't think getting rid of tradition is bad.
Should be done if its in way of progress.


So if the King decides that he's officially a Marxist, denounces and abolish tradition, establish a socialist society, and then steps down to be a citizen, would you support him?

As a loyal man, yeah.

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Postby Duvniask » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:30 am

Conscentia wrote:
Carto-Geography wrote:In true communism, the total wealth of a nation is divided up between all the workers. Since a very productive worker would get paid just as much as one who meets the minimum requirements, there would be little incentive to work, fewer goods would be produced, and the system would crumble. Communism isn't all :hug: .

Actually, communists are opposed to wage labour. They advocate alternative incentives, and propose alternative means of exchange.

"They"?
Aren't you also a communist, Conscentia?
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