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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:16 am

United British Union wrote:
Duvniask wrote:Source?

Your life, sir. You (if not, somebody they know,) work harder to try and achieve a better job. This occurs in all classes but the Upper-Class. If you make it all the same, then one wouldn't know what one had to work too.



Capitalism and the pull yourself by the bootstrap myth looks great on paper, but always fail in practice.

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Postby Carto-Geography » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:16 am

In true communism, the total wealth of a nation is divided up between all the workers. Since a very productive worker would get paid just as much as one who meets the minimum requirements, there would be little incentive to work, fewer goods would be produced, and the system would crumble. Communism isn't all :hug: .
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Postby Socialist Tera » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:16 am

United British Union wrote:
Duvniask wrote:Source?

Your life, sir. You (if not, somebody they know,) work harder to try and achieve a better job. This occurs in all classes but the Upper-Class. If you make it all the same, then one wouldn't know what one had to work too.

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Postby The Scientific States » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:16 am

British Monarchist2 wrote:
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Now, why would that be the case?

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That's untrue, people don't work hard just because they want to become wealthier. Is it a factor of hardwork? Yes, it is, but most people work to support themselves, and to benefit society, not just so they can become wealthier.
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Postby Great Israel » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:17 am

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Postby Socialist Tera » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:17 am

Carto-Geography wrote:In true communism, the total wealth of a nation is divided up between all the workers. Since a very productive worker would get paid just as much as one who meets the minimum requirements, there would be little incentive to work, fewer goods would be produced, and the system would crumble. Communism isn't all :hug: .

The problem is that the CEO of a company does not work harder than the very productive worker, does he?
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Postby United British Union » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:17 am

This is what the Communists would do:

1. Strip the Upper-Class of our Estates, Money and such.

2. They give a tiny fraction to the people and keep the rest.

3. As the working class works on the land, the fruit of it is taken and given to 'The State,' or, as it really is, sirs, the Party.

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Postby Duvniask » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:17 am

Conscentia wrote:
United British Union wrote:Your life, sir. You (if not, somebody they know,) work harder to try and achieve a better job. This occurs in all classes but the Upper-Class. If you make it all the same, then one wouldn't know what one had to work too.

I don't want a better job - I want a stable job as a scientist. I strive to learn, not to be a parasite who feeds on the fruits of the labour of others.

Guess I won't need to respond to that now.

Carto-Geography wrote:In true communism, the total wealth of a nation is divided up between all the workers. Since a very productive worker would get paid just as much as one who meets the minimum requirements, there would be little incentive to work, fewer goods would be produced, and the system would crumble. Communism isn't all :hug: .

And you think this because? Wages wouldn't exist in a communist society.
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Postby The Scientific States » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:18 am

Carto-Geography wrote:In true communism, the total wealth of a nation is divided up between all the workers. Since a very productive worker would get paid just as much as one who meets the minimum requirements, there would be little incentive to work, fewer goods would be produced, and the system would crumble. Communism isn't all :hug: .


In a communist society, there are no wages.
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Postby Luveria » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:18 am

Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
United British Union wrote:Your life, sir. You (if not, somebody they know,) work harder to try and achieve a better job. This occurs in all classes but the Upper-Class. If you make it all the same, then one wouldn't know what one had to work too.



Capitalism and the pull yourself by the bootstrap myth looks great on paper, but always fail in practice.


Like how Canada is on the brink of collapse from capitalism?

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Postby British Monarchist2 » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:18 am

United British Union wrote:This is what the Communists would do:

1. Strip the Upper-Class of our Estates, Money and such.

2. They give a tiny fraction to the people and keep the rest.

3. As the working class works on the land, the fruit of it is taken and given to 'The State,' or, as it really is, sirs, the Party.

Yeah

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Postby The Scientific States » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:19 am

United British Union wrote:This is what the Communists would do:

1. Strip the Upper-Class of our Estates, Money and such.

2. They give a tiny fraction to the people and keep the rest.

3. As the working class works on the land, the fruit of it is taken and given to 'The State,' or, as it really is, sirs, the Party.


1. Somewhat true.
2. What?
3. No, most communists want to give all that money and land to the people, not the state. Unless we're talking about crazy Stalinists and the like.
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Postby Shinpitekina » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:19 am

United British Union wrote:
Duvniask wrote:Source?

Your life, sir. You (if not, somebody they know,) work harder to try and achieve a better job. This occurs in all classes but the Upper-Class. If you make it all the same, then one wouldn't know what one had to work too.

The incentive to be better than someone else works without classes implemented and not all people even work that way either by conscious choice or due to their altruist brain.
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Postby The Scientific States » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:20 am

Luveria wrote:
Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:

Capitalism and the pull yourself by the bootstrap myth looks great on paper, but always fail in practice.


Like how Canada is on the brink of collapse from capitalism?


I heard Scandinavia is on the brink of collapse from capitalism as well! :p
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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:20 am

United British Union wrote:This is what the Communists would do:

1. Strip the Upper-Class of our Estates, Money and such.


This is bad because...the Jacobins did it?

2. They give a tiny fraction to the people and keep the rest.


Proof?

3. As the working class works on the land, the fruit of it is taken and given to 'The State,' or, as it really is, sirs, the Party.


Proof?

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Postby Free market Viet Nam » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:20 am

Three clues
1. In my country, we fought against a communist occupying force that had ruled since 1975
2. A New Years tradition that began in 1998 involves taking the metal of a Hammer and sickle and melting them into a mold with a design, which is then hung from the wall as a decoration.
3. the President, Phan Sinh Thieu, once said "The union boss will eat my lobster and my fish, then turn to my neighbor and pay him for it,"
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Postby United British Union » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:21 am

Communism basically wants to destroy the chain of events-the traditions and history of nations and use the psychical land of this history for their own gain. One believes that this has occurred in all Communist nations.

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Postby Conscentia » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:21 am

United British Union wrote:This is what the Communists would do:
1. Strip the Upper-Class of our Estates, Money and such.
2. They give a tiny fraction to the people and keep the rest.
3. As the working class works on the land, the fruit of it is taken and given to 'The State,' or, as it really is, sirs, the Party.

1. That's a criticism of communists not communism, thus irrelevant to the thread.
2. Source?

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Postby Luveria » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:21 am

The Scientific States wrote:
Luveria wrote:
Like how Canada is on the brink of collapse from capitalism?


I heard Scandinavia is on the brink of collapse from capitalism as well! :p


Any day now... yup....
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Postby Duvniask » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:22 am

United British Union wrote:Communism basically wants to destroy the chain of events-the traditions and history of nations and use the psychical land of this history for their own gain. One believes that this has occurred in all Communist nations.

One should not care about tradition, when it stands in the way of progress.
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Postby The Scientific States » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:22 am

United British Union wrote:Communism basically wants to destroy the chain of events-the traditions and history of nations and use the psychical land of this history for their own gain. One believes that this has occurred in all Communist nations.


Bullshit.

Not to mention, there has never been a communist nation before. Your arguments against communism are so silly, you're basing them off of falsehoods.

It feels weird arguing against those who are opposed to communism, given that I'm also opposed to communism, for reasons other than "communism fails"
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Postby Luveria » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:22 am

United British Union wrote:Communism basically wants to destroy the chain of events-the traditions and history of nations and use the psychical land of this history for their own gain. One believes that this has occurred in all Communist nations.


I wish you were a communist so you wouldn't be supporting it from your fallacious arguments against it.

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Postby Duvniask » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:23 am

The Scientific States wrote:
United British Union wrote:Communism basically wants to destroy the chain of events-the traditions and history of nations and use the psychical land of this history for their own gain. One believes that this has occurred in all Communist nations.


Bullshit.

Not to mention, there has never been a communist nation before. Your arguments against communism are so silly, you're basing them off of falsehoods.

It feels weird arguing against those who are opposed to communism, given that I'm also opposed to communism, for reasons other than "communism fails"

I would like for you to explain then.
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Postby United British Union » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:23 am

Duvniask wrote:
United British Union wrote:Communism basically wants to destroy the chain of events-the traditions and history of nations and use the psychical land of this history for their own gain. One believes that this has occurred in all Communist nations.

One should not care about tradition, when it stands in the way of progress.

Without tradition, many people (myself included,) would have no need for existence. Communism wants to eliminate everything and put it in the State.

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Postby Socialist Tera » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:23 am

United British Union wrote:This is what the Communists would do:

1. Strip the Upper-Class of our Estates, Money and such.

2. They give a tiny fraction to the people and keep the rest.

3. As the working class works on the land, the fruit of it is taken and given to 'The State,' or, as it really is, sirs, the Party.

1. Many revolutions did that e.g. French Revolution
2. Why would I want to do that? I'm for the working class not myself. If I wanted the money for myself I would be a capitalist.
3. No, it would be redistributed to the workers and the lower class, not to the state.
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