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United British Union
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Postby United British Union » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:28 am

Shinpitekina wrote:
United British Union wrote:A party cannot function without the Aristocracy, sir.

Every single political party holding office in every parliamentary democracy say otherwise, my lady.

Yes, but the Communists removed the Aristocracy- and a nation without an Aristocracy is as useful as a glass hammer, sir. That one must see!

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Postby Flammaland » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:29 am

I think that Communism is a great idea that works on paper, but doesn't work so well in practice. There are of course exeptions, but generally speaking Communism is a tad impractical.
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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:29 am

United British Union wrote:
Shinpitekina wrote:Every single political party holding office in every parliamentary democracy say otherwise, my lady.

Yes, but the Communists removed the Aristocracy- and a nation without an Aristocracy is as useful as a glass hammer, sir. That one must see!


Like I said, the intellectuals became the new elite. And aristocracy is useless.
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Postby United British Union » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:30 am

Flammaland wrote:I think that Communism is a great idea that works on paper, but doesn't work so well in practice. There are of course exeptions, but generally speaking Communism is a tad impractical.

It is not great in any way, I belive!

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Postby Dracolich » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:30 am

Siburria wrote:I think all government types r stupid because they can easily become corrupted through money


Exactly!
People are by nature greedy selfish jerks.
Communism is usually corrupted by the ruling party into an authoritarian hellhole, because people are greedy selfish jerks.
Capitalism usually results in the rich doing whatever they want at the expense of the poor, because people are greedy selfish jerks.
Until this problem with the people running the system is solved, all political and economic systems are going to suck.
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Postby Duvniask » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:31 am

United British Union wrote:
Shinpitekina wrote:Every single political party holding office in every parliamentary democracy say otherwise, my lady.

Yes, but the Communists removed the Aristocracy- and a nation without an Aristocracy is as useful as a glass hammer, sir. That one must see!

No, why do you think this inherent? Decision making does not require rulers in a social-hierarchical fashion, and is entirely possible with social consensus. Decentralized decision making is not impossible at all.
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Postby United British Union » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:31 am

Unitaristic Regions wrote:
United British Union wrote:Yes, but the Communists removed the Aristocracy- and a nation without an Aristocracy is as useful as a glass hammer, sir. That one must see!


Like I said, the intellectuals became the new elite. And aristocracy is useless.

We very well are not, sir! One must see that! We provide employment, often keep estates with farmland and such! We are not useless in any shape or form!

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Postby Shinpitekina » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:31 am

United British Union wrote:
Shinpitekina wrote:Every single political party holding office in every parliamentary democracy say otherwise, my lady.

Yes, but the Communists removed the Aristocracy- and a nation without an Aristocracy is as useful as a glass hammer, sir. That one must see!

Every republic with parliamentary democracy implemented still says otherwise, my lady.
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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:32 am

Duvniask wrote:
United British Union wrote:Yes, but the Communists removed the Aristocracy- and a nation without an Aristocracy is as useful as a glass hammer, sir. That one must see!

No, why do you think this inherent? Decision making does not require rulers in a social-hierarchical fashion, and is entirely possible with social consensus. Decentralized decision making is not impossible at all.


You're never going to sell that to her :p
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Postby Arglorand » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:32 am

United British Union wrote:
Unitaristic Regions wrote:
Like I said, the intellectuals became the new elite. And aristocracy is useless.

We very well are not, sir! One must see that! We provide employment, often keep estates with farmland and such! We are not useless in any shape or form!

And why cannot anyone else do so?
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Postby Duvniask » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:33 am

United British Union wrote:
Unitaristic Regions wrote:
Like I said, the intellectuals became the new elite. And aristocracy is useless.

We very well are not, sir! One must see that! We provide employment,

Provide employment in the form of exploitation, that is.

often keep estates with farmland and such!

Which you are not exceptional in doing.

We are not useless in any shape or form!

Yes, you are.
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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:33 am

United British Union wrote:
Unitaristic Regions wrote:
Like I said, the intellectuals became the new elite. And aristocracy is useless.

We very well are not, sir! One must see that! We provide employment, often keep estates with farmland and such! We are not useless in any shape or form!


You have a use in capitalist economics. I'm not a capitalist. I rather dislike the upper class, as your providing of employment isn't necessarily something only aristocrats can do.
Used to be a straight-edge orthodox communist, now I'm de facto a state-capitalist who dislikes migration and hopes automation will bring socialism under proper conditions.

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Postby Divair » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:33 am

Too idealistic for me. I prefer social democracy.

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Postby United British Union » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:34 am

Unitaristic Regions wrote:
Duvniask wrote:No, why do you think this inherent? Decision making does not require rulers in a social-hierarchical fashion, and is entirely possible with social consensus. Decentralized decision making is not impossible at all.


You're never going to sell that to her :p

I am British. I have lived in this way for my entire life, as so you are correct- I shall never accept it.
I shall, though, be interested in your opinions.

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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:34 am

Divair wrote:Too idealistic for me. I prefer social democracy.


Bwegh. Ideals. Why have 'em? *nods.*
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Postby Arglorand » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:35 am

Unitaristic Regions wrote:
United British Union wrote:We very well are not, sir! One must see that! We provide employment, often keep estates with farmland and such! We are not useless in any shape or form!


You have a use in capitalist economics. I'm not a capitalist. I rather dislike the upper class, as your providing of employment isn't necessarily something only aristocrats can do.

Aristocracy is arguably useless even in a capitalist economy and impeding to the growth of a nation's economy.
Kosovo is Morrowind. N'wah.
Impeach Dagoth Ur, legalise Daedra worship, the Empire is theft. Nerevarine 3E 427.

Pros: Dunmeri independence, abolition of the Empire, the Daedra, Morag Tong, House Redoran, Ashlander interests, abolitionism, Dissident Priests, canonisation of St. Jiub the Cliff Racer Slayer.
Cons: Imperials, the Empire, the False Tribunal, Dagoth Ur, House Hlaalu, Imperials, the Eight Divines, "Talos", "Nords", Imperial unionism, Imperials.

I am a: Social Democrat | Bright green | Republican | Intersectional feminist | Civic nationalist | Multiculturalist
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Postby Duvniask » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:35 am

United British Union wrote:
Unitaristic Regions wrote:
You're never going to sell that to her :p

I am British. I have lived in this way for my entire life, as so you are correct- I shall never accept it.
I shall, though, be interested in your opinions.

Why be interested if you are never going to change your mind anyway?
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Postby San Whoopee » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:35 am

Like all-you-can-eat pancakes at a particularly generous Denny's. Sounds great in theory, starts off great too, but around the fourth plate in, you realize you might have made a mistake.

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Postby Arglorand » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:35 am

Divair wrote:Too idealistic for me. I prefer social democracy.

I'm an idealistic social democrat.

wat now
Kosovo is Morrowind. N'wah.
Impeach Dagoth Ur, legalise Daedra worship, the Empire is theft. Nerevarine 3E 427.

Pros: Dunmeri independence, abolition of the Empire, the Daedra, Morag Tong, House Redoran, Ashlander interests, abolitionism, Dissident Priests, canonisation of St. Jiub the Cliff Racer Slayer.
Cons: Imperials, the Empire, the False Tribunal, Dagoth Ur, House Hlaalu, Imperials, the Eight Divines, "Talos", "Nords", Imperial unionism, Imperials.

I am a: Social Democrat | Bright green | Republican | Intersectional feminist | Civic nationalist | Multiculturalist
(and i blatantly stole this from Old Tyrannia)

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Postby United British Union » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:35 am

Duvniask wrote:
United British Union wrote:We very well are not, sir! One must see that! We provide employment,

Provide employment in the form of exploitation, that is.
No, we pay well for service in our houses and on the farmland, sir. One must understand.

often keep estates with farmland and such!

Which you are not exceptional in doing.
As a matter of fact, sir, many of our estates provide food for thousands of people!

We are not useless in any shape or form!

Yes, you are.

How, sir?

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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:35 am

United British Union wrote:
Unitaristic Regions wrote:
You're never going to sell that to her :p

I am British. I have lived in this way for my entire life, as so you are correct- I shall never accept it.
I shall, though, be interested in your opinions.


And my opinion is that aristocracy is redundant, because the things you mentioned don't have to be managed by aristocracy.
Used to be a straight-edge orthodox communist, now I'm de facto a state-capitalist who dislikes migration and hopes automation will bring socialism under proper conditions.

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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:36 am

Arglorand wrote:
Unitaristic Regions wrote:
You have a use in capitalist economics. I'm not a capitalist. I rather dislike the upper class, as your providing of employment isn't necessarily something only aristocrats can do.

Aristocracy is arguably useless even in a capitalist economy and impeding to the growth of a nation's economy.


Ah, you mean inherited aristocracy? Yeah, I kinda see them as parasites.
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Postby United British Union » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:36 am

Unitaristic Regions wrote:
United British Union wrote:I am British. I have lived in this way for my entire life, as so you are correct- I shall never accept it.
I shall, though, be interested in your opinions.


And my opinion is that aristocracy is redundant, because the things you mentioned don't have to be managed by aristocracy.

Communism is terrible, as it steals our land and houses. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, sir.

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Postby Divair » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:36 am

Arglorand wrote:
Divair wrote:Too idealistic for me. I prefer social democracy.

I'm an idealistic social democrat.

wat now

Reality blows up.

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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:37 am

San Whoopee wrote:Like all-you-can-eat pancakes at a particularly generous Denny's. Sounds great in theory, starts off great too, but around the fourth plate in, you realize you might have made a mistake.


I don't get how it makes sense, but it was awefully witty.
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