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Arglorand
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Postby Arglorand » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:15 am

Unitaristic Regions wrote:
Good Mind wrote:
I didn't like any particular movement in that time because all had flaws.


This time is shaped much better for ideological thought, yeah.

We have much more experience with various shit to deal with now.
Kosovo is Morrowind. N'wah.
Impeach Dagoth Ur, legalise Daedra worship, the Empire is theft. Nerevarine 3E 427.

Pros: Dunmeri independence, abolition of the Empire, the Daedra, Morag Tong, House Redoran, Ashlander interests, abolitionism, Dissident Priests, canonisation of St. Jiub the Cliff Racer Slayer.
Cons: Imperials, the Empire, the False Tribunal, Dagoth Ur, House Hlaalu, Imperials, the Eight Divines, "Talos", "Nords", Imperial unionism, Imperials.

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Postby Good Mind » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:15 am

Unitaristic Regions wrote:
Good Mind wrote:
I didn't like any particular movement in that time because all had flaws.


This time is shaped much better for ideological thought, yeah.


I agree .
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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:16 am

Kronstad wrote:
Unitaristic Regions wrote:Feudalism is just honest capitalism anyways.

Isn't imperialism nowadays a more refined and more honest version of capitalism? But yes, feudalism is probably more traditional domestically.


Imperialism is anything but honest tho :p. Or maybe it was, but only compared to our current brand of neo-imperialism.
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Postby Kronstad » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:17 am

Shinpitekina wrote:No, I won't. Firstly because it is my right to hold such opinion no matter what it is

The Dark Ages have passed, we are in 2013. Also, no, if you go to the USA, Britain, France, Germany, Israel, Italy, Russia etc. and yell a Nazi opinion, you might find that you are not entitled to whatever opinion it is.
Of course, it's useless to argue against ignorance, so yes, I am wasting my time trying to convert ignorance and stupidity into humanity.

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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:17 am

Arglorand wrote:
Unitaristic Regions wrote:
This time is shaped much better for ideological thought, yeah.

We have much more experience with various shit to deal with now.


Exactly, and we have ze internet for all the knowledge we might require, whereas in the good ole days, they just had... Marx?
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Postby Duvniask » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:17 am

Arglorand wrote:
Unitaristic Regions wrote:
Feudalism is just honest capitalism anyways.

It's also ineffective due to the pretty limited capabilities of the ruling class to replace themselves if they ever, well, die out. In capitalism, the ruling class is constantly renewed by a few lucky members of the lower and middle classes who make it upwards.

I suppose watching a few episodes of GoT, that this is the conclusion one should arrive at. ;)
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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:17 am

Good Mind wrote:
Unitaristic Regions wrote:
This time is shaped much better for ideological thought, yeah.


I agree .


Gimme a hug! :hug:
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Postby Good Mind » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:18 am

Arglorand wrote:
Unitaristic Regions wrote:
This time is shaped much better for ideological thought, yeah.

We have much more experience with various shit to deal with now.


We could avoid doing some things that Makhno did and wasn't right for example.
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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:18 am

Duvniask wrote:
Arglorand wrote:It's also ineffective due to the pretty limited capabilities of the ruling class to replace themselves if they ever, well, die out. In capitalism, the ruling class is constantly renewed by a few lucky members of the lower and middle classes who make it upwards.

I suppose watching a few episodes of GoT, that this is the conclusion one should arrive at. ;)


:rofl:
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Postby Arglorand » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:18 am

Unitaristic Regions wrote:
Kronstad wrote:Isn't imperialism nowadays a more refined and more honest version of capitalism? But yes, feudalism is probably more traditional domestically.


Imperialism is anything but honest tho :p. Or maybe it was, but only compared to our current brand of neo-imperialism.

Neo-imperialism is really just the natural side effect of a worldwide capitalist mode of production coupled with a huge gap in, let's say, technological and educational advancement between the first and third worlds.

Parecon's ideas about a class of those holding all the knowledge gain new meaning when you consider the whole first world to be said class in modernday society.
Kosovo is Morrowind. N'wah.
Impeach Dagoth Ur, legalise Daedra worship, the Empire is theft. Nerevarine 3E 427.

Pros: Dunmeri independence, abolition of the Empire, the Daedra, Morag Tong, House Redoran, Ashlander interests, abolitionism, Dissident Priests, canonisation of St. Jiub the Cliff Racer Slayer.
Cons: Imperials, the Empire, the False Tribunal, Dagoth Ur, House Hlaalu, Imperials, the Eight Divines, "Talos", "Nords", Imperial unionism, Imperials.

I am a: Social Democrat | Bright green | Republican | Intersectional feminist | Civic nationalist | Multiculturalist
(and i blatantly stole this from Old Tyrannia)

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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:19 am

Arglorand wrote:
Unitaristic Regions wrote:
Feudalism is just honest capitalism anyways.

It's also ineffective due to the pretty limited capabilities of the ruling class to replace themselves if they ever, well, die out. In capitalism, the ruling class is constantly renewed by a few lucky members of the lower and middle classes who make it upwards.


Emphasis on few was needed ;)
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Postby Arglorand » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:20 am

Duvniask wrote:
Arglorand wrote:It's also ineffective due to the pretty limited capabilities of the ruling class to replace themselves if they ever, well, die out. In capitalism, the ruling class is constantly renewed by a few lucky members of the lower and middle classes who make it upwards.

I suppose watching a few episodes of GoT, that this is the conclusion one should arrive at. ;)

Which is why my favourite claimant for king is Marx Mance Rayder and his primitive communist society of wildlings.
Kosovo is Morrowind. N'wah.
Impeach Dagoth Ur, legalise Daedra worship, the Empire is theft. Nerevarine 3E 427.

Pros: Dunmeri independence, abolition of the Empire, the Daedra, Morag Tong, House Redoran, Ashlander interests, abolitionism, Dissident Priests, canonisation of St. Jiub the Cliff Racer Slayer.
Cons: Imperials, the Empire, the False Tribunal, Dagoth Ur, House Hlaalu, Imperials, the Eight Divines, "Talos", "Nords", Imperial unionism, Imperials.

I am a: Social Democrat | Bright green | Republican | Intersectional feminist | Civic nationalist | Multiculturalist
(and i blatantly stole this from Old Tyrannia)

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Postby Shinpitekina » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:20 am

Kronstad wrote:
Shinpitekina wrote:No, I won't. Firstly because it is my right to hold such opinion no matter what it is

The Dark Ages have passed, we are in 2013. Also, no, if you go to the USA, Britain, France, Germany, Israel, Italy, Russia etc. and yell a Nazi opinion, you might find that you are not entitled to whatever opinion it is.
Of course, it's useless to argue against ignorance, so yes, I am wasting my time trying to convert ignorance and stupidity into humanity.

I am entitled to hold and express my opinion regardless if the people around me like it or not. Also, ignoring the rest of my post shows ignorance in you, dear comrade. It clearly reads that I am a supporter of laïcité, which is dubbed as 'French secularism' and basically means the eradication of religion from all public institutions.
OOC Ethnicity: Shinpian (tek. 新報, romaji Shinpōjin). Language: Tekinese (tek. テキン語, romaji Tekingo).

Prince of Shinpitekina (tek. 神秘的な, romaji Shinpi-tekina, eng. Mystical): Kake Kurōhito (tek. 苦労人か毛, romaji Kurouhito Kake).
Head of Shinpian Government (tek. 上の, romaji Ueno, eng. Upward): Erasu Mūrikai (tek. ムウり会エラス, romaji Muurikai Erasu).
Speaker of Shinpian Parliament (tek. 議院, romaji Giin, eng. House): Kara Kurōhito (tek. 苦労人から, romaji Kurouhito Kara).

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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:20 am

Arglorand wrote:
Unitaristic Regions wrote:
Imperialism is anything but honest tho :p. Or maybe it was, but only compared to our current brand of neo-imperialism.

Neo-imperialism is really just the natural side effect of a worldwide capitalist mode of production coupled with a huge gap in, let's say, technological and educational advancement between the first and third worlds.

Parecon's ideas about a class of those holding all the knowledge gain new meaning when you consider the whole first world to be said class in modernday society.


And yet the first world bows to its own elite... *sigh*.

But really, the reason that the 3d world is so unequal is because we cracked open their markets and forced them to privatize.
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Postby Arglorand » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:21 am

Unitaristic Regions wrote:
Arglorand wrote:Neo-imperialism is really just the natural side effect of a worldwide capitalist mode of production coupled with a huge gap in, let's say, technological and educational advancement between the first and third worlds.

Parecon's ideas about a class of those holding all the knowledge gain new meaning when you consider the whole first world to be said class in modernday society.


And yet the first world bows to its own elite... *sigh*.

But really, the reason that the 3d world is so unequal is because we cracked open their markets and forced them to privatize.

The reason why the third world is so unequal is, first of all, because we came down on them like a rapist in the era of actual imperialism.
Kosovo is Morrowind. N'wah.
Impeach Dagoth Ur, legalise Daedra worship, the Empire is theft. Nerevarine 3E 427.

Pros: Dunmeri independence, abolition of the Empire, the Daedra, Morag Tong, House Redoran, Ashlander interests, abolitionism, Dissident Priests, canonisation of St. Jiub the Cliff Racer Slayer.
Cons: Imperials, the Empire, the False Tribunal, Dagoth Ur, House Hlaalu, Imperials, the Eight Divines, "Talos", "Nords", Imperial unionism, Imperials.

I am a: Social Democrat | Bright green | Republican | Intersectional feminist | Civic nationalist | Multiculturalist
(and i blatantly stole this from Old Tyrannia)

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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:22 am

Arglorand wrote:
Duvniask wrote:I suppose watching a few episodes of GoT, that this is the conclusion one should arrive at. ;)

Which is why my favourite claimant for king is Marx Mance Rayder and his primitive communist society of wildlings.


Haha, the invasion was revolution! Peasants of Westeros, unite!
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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:22 am

Arglorand wrote:
Unitaristic Regions wrote:
And yet the first world bows to its own elite... *sigh*.

But really, the reason that the 3d world is so unequal is because we cracked open their markets and forced them to privatize.

The reason why the third world is so unequal is, first of all, because we came down on them like a rapist in the era of actual imperialism.


And cracked open their markets and-
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Postby United British Union » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:23 am

A party cannot function without the Aristocracy, sir.

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Postby Shinpitekina » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:23 am

Unitaristic Regions wrote:
Arglorand wrote:Neo-imperialism is really just the natural side effect of a worldwide capitalist mode of production coupled with a huge gap in, let's say, technological and educational advancement between the first and third worlds.

Parecon's ideas about a class of those holding all the knowledge gain new meaning when you consider the whole first world to be said class in modernday society.


And yet the first world bows to its own elite... *sigh*.

But really, the reason that the 3d world is so unequal is because we cracked open their markets and forced them to privatize.

Lol @ 3D world. You been living in a comic book? :p
OOC Ethnicity: Shinpian (tek. 新報, romaji Shinpōjin). Language: Tekinese (tek. テキン語, romaji Tekingo).

Prince of Shinpitekina (tek. 神秘的な, romaji Shinpi-tekina, eng. Mystical): Kake Kurōhito (tek. 苦労人か毛, romaji Kurouhito Kake).
Head of Shinpian Government (tek. 上の, romaji Ueno, eng. Upward): Erasu Mūrikai (tek. ムウり会エラス, romaji Muurikai Erasu).
Speaker of Shinpian Parliament (tek. 議院, romaji Giin, eng. House): Kara Kurōhito (tek. 苦労人から, romaji Kurouhito Kara).

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Postby Duvniask » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:24 am

United British Union wrote:A party cannot function without the Aristocracy, sir.

Is this so, and in what sense are you using "Aristocracy"?
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Postby Shinpitekina » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:24 am

United British Union wrote:A party cannot function without the Aristocracy, sir.

Every single political party holding office in every parliamentary democracy say otherwise, my lady.
OOC Ethnicity: Shinpian (tek. 新報, romaji Shinpōjin). Language: Tekinese (tek. テキン語, romaji Tekingo).

Prince of Shinpitekina (tek. 神秘的な, romaji Shinpi-tekina, eng. Mystical): Kake Kurōhito (tek. 苦労人か毛, romaji Kurouhito Kake).
Head of Shinpian Government (tek. 上の, romaji Ueno, eng. Upward): Erasu Mūrikai (tek. ムウり会エラス, romaji Muurikai Erasu).
Speaker of Shinpian Parliament (tek. 議院, romaji Giin, eng. House): Kara Kurōhito (tek. 苦労人から, romaji Kurouhito Kara).

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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:25 am

Shinpitekina wrote:
Unitaristic Regions wrote:
And yet the first world bows to its own elite... *sigh*.

But really, the reason that the 3d world is so unequal is because we cracked open their markets and forced them to privatize.

Lol @ 3D world. You been living in a comic book? :p


Maybe... :)
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Postby Arglorand » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:25 am

United British Union wrote:A party cannot function without the Aristocracy, sir.

You live in Britain, so let me provide an example close to home. How many peers does the SNP have? (here's a hint: they don't let their members serve as peers) It's a governing party in an autonomous part of Britain. How is that not functioning?
Kosovo is Morrowind. N'wah.
Impeach Dagoth Ur, legalise Daedra worship, the Empire is theft. Nerevarine 3E 427.

Pros: Dunmeri independence, abolition of the Empire, the Daedra, Morag Tong, House Redoran, Ashlander interests, abolitionism, Dissident Priests, canonisation of St. Jiub the Cliff Racer Slayer.
Cons: Imperials, the Empire, the False Tribunal, Dagoth Ur, House Hlaalu, Imperials, the Eight Divines, "Talos", "Nords", Imperial unionism, Imperials.

I am a: Social Democrat | Bright green | Republican | Intersectional feminist | Civic nationalist | Multiculturalist
(and i blatantly stole this from Old Tyrannia)

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Postby Arglorand » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:26 am

Unitaristic Regions wrote:
Arglorand wrote:The reason why the third world is so unequal is, first of all, because we came down on them like a rapist in the era of actual imperialism.


And cracked open their markets and-

This is starting to sound awfully not PG-13
Kosovo is Morrowind. N'wah.
Impeach Dagoth Ur, legalise Daedra worship, the Empire is theft. Nerevarine 3E 427.

Pros: Dunmeri independence, abolition of the Empire, the Daedra, Morag Tong, House Redoran, Ashlander interests, abolitionism, Dissident Priests, canonisation of St. Jiub the Cliff Racer Slayer.
Cons: Imperials, the Empire, the False Tribunal, Dagoth Ur, House Hlaalu, Imperials, the Eight Divines, "Talos", "Nords", Imperial unionism, Imperials.

I am a: Social Democrat | Bright green | Republican | Intersectional feminist | Civic nationalist | Multiculturalist
(and i blatantly stole this from Old Tyrannia)

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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:27 am

Arglorand wrote:
Unitaristic Regions wrote:
And cracked open their markets and-

This is starting to sound awfully not PG-13


Lol.
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