Japan plans to beef up military

[NERVUN]

Not a good indicator. YouTube is where people go to agree with Hitler (a YouTube account) and call Justin Bieber a "f@gg0t"

I know, but these Japanese people were being serious

Nationalists are wing-nuts. They get ignored in Japan a lot as well.

Unfortunately, they are rather loud with their bloody sound trucks.

[Gaveo]

No. Japan wants you to leave. Don't.

Why shouldn't we leave? It's unsustainable and bankrupting us.

I am sure there are greater things bankrupting the USA, Lib Cal. ;)

Either way, since Japan is beefing their military that should make us scale down (not fully leave) American bases in Japan.

[Jamjai]

I think it's good Japan is beefing up it's military. I think the US should let Japan have a regular armed forces. They won't attack anyone, because the US is much more powerful than them, oh and get rid of the words in the constitution about peace.

The US doesn't let Japan do anything. Japan is its own nation. In fact, the US has been pressuring Japan to rearm.

The Japanese people (You know, the population of said country whom are supposedly the ones in charge being a democracy and all) are very much opposed to scrapping Article 9.

China did that

[NERVUN]

Japan slightly scaring paranoid South Koreans > bankruptcy of the United States

I'm not Korean. I'm Australian. Ever heard of a place called Darwin?

70 years ago mate. 70 years ago...

Unless of course we can start blaming all you guys for the mistakes you've made...

[NERVUN]

The US doesn't let Japan do anything. Japan is its own nation. In fact, the US has been pressuring Japan to rearm.

The Japanese people (You know, the population of said country whom are supposedly the ones in charge being a democracy and all) are very much opposed to scrapping Article 9.

China did that

China did what?

[Alyakia]

I know, but these Japanese people were being serious

Nationalists are wing-nuts. They get ignored in Japan a lot as well.

Unfortunately, they are rather loud with their bloody sound trucks.

have you ever seen a waito piggu go home truck irl

[Norstal]

The US doesn't let Japan do anything. Japan is its own nation. In fact, the US has been pressuring Japan to rearm.

The Japanese people (You know, the population of said country whom are supposedly the ones in charge being a democracy and all) are very much opposed to scrapping Article 9.

China did that

China did what? Built guns that shoots its users in the face?

[NERVUN]

No. Japan wants you to leave. Don't.

Why shouldn't we leave? It's unsustainable and bankrupting us.

Not as much. Japan actually pays America a lot of money for the bases. It's rather annoying.

[Libertarian California]

Why shouldn't we leave? It's unsustainable and bankrupting us.

I am sure there are greater things bankrupting the USA, Lib Cal.

Either way, since Japan is beefing their military that should make us scale down (not fully leave) American bases in Japan.

Obviously, there are greater things, like inefficiency and bureaucracy of Medicaid and Medicare, the wars and overseas bases, a diminishing tax revenue due to outsourcing, and entitlements.

[Marsisian]

The US doesn't let Japan do anything. Japan is its own nation. In fact, the US has been pressuring Japan to rearm.

The Japanese people (You know, the population of said country whom are supposedly the ones in charge being a democracy and all) are very much opposed to scrapping Article 9.

China did that

Then why doesn't Japan rearm? They know about NK and China. It's ready to pop off over there, like WW1.

[NERVUN]

Nationalists are wing-nuts. They get ignored in Japan a lot as well.

Unfortunately, they are rather loud with their bloody sound trucks.

have you ever seen a waito piggu go home truck irl

Seen them, heard them, flipped them off, got stuck behind one while driving... yes.

[Libertarian California]

Why shouldn't we leave? It's unsustainable and bankrupting us.

Not as much. Japan actually pays America a lot of money for the bases. It's rather annoying.

But does Japan full reimburse us for our expenses?

This relationship is financially draining America, and is a threat to Japanese sovereignty. Why can't we just be trade and cultural partners without spending money on needless weaponry?

[UED]

Really? Never knew that, the Korean government shouldn't be so unreasonable in ways.
Still, I fear the International Court will end badly, I mean they have made mistakes before.

Given the current president has declared that she refuses to even talk...

It's pretty damn silly, really. Although I do understand she is in a tough situation politically given the previous president REALLY whipped up anti-Japanese feelings and her father was considered a collaborator with the Japanese occupation.

Her father was a collaborator, served for Manchukuo and Kwantung armies. Then he took an arrow to the knee and became Korean Dictator.
Still, I fear that South Korea will go nuts if they lose the Dokdo dispute, most likely entrench themselves at Dokdo, and then become a 2nd north korea.

[Gaveo]

I am sure there are greater things bankrupting the USA, Lib Cal. ;)

Either way, since Japan is beefing their military that should make us scale down (not fully leave) American bases in Japan.

Obviously, there are greater things, like inefficiency and bureaucracy of Medicaid and Medicare, the wars and overseas bases, a diminishing tax revenue due to outsourcing, and entitlements.

Etc.

But yeah, overseas bases don't really cost that much, well at least in Japan. Cause you know, the Japanese pay for the bases.

[NERVUN]

China did that

Then why doesn't Japan rearm? They know about NK and China.

... Article 9 and the population wouldn't hear about changing it for all the tea in China.

[Jamjai]

China did that

China did what? Built guns that shoots its users in the face?

they are rearming Japan unknowingly

[Marsisian]

Then why doesn't Japan rearm? They know about NK and China.

... Article 9 and the population wouldn't hear about changing it for all the tea in China.

Eh, their loss. When they get invaded by NK, the KPA's gonna have 7 million soldiers at their disposal.

[Libertarian California]

Obviously, there are greater things, like inefficiency and bureaucracy of Medicaid and Medicare, the wars and overseas bases, a diminishing tax revenue due to outsourcing, and entitlements.

Etc.

But yeah, overseas bases don't really cost that much, well at least in Japan. Cause you know, the Japanese pay for the bases.

Does Japan pay enough to cover our losses though?

[Gaveo]

Given the current president has declared that she refuses to even talk...

It's pretty damn silly, really. Although I do understand she is in a tough situation politically given the previous president REALLY whipped up anti-Japanese feelings and her father was considered a collaborator with the Japanese occupation.

Her father was a collaborator, served for Manchukuo and Kwantung armies. Then he took an arrow to the knee and became Korean Dictator.
Still, I fear that South Korea will go nuts if they lose the Dokdo dispute, most likely entrench themselves at Dokdo, and then become a 2nd north korea.

I seriously doubt South Korea would become the 2nd North Korea. I mean, yes they are Conservative to a ridiculous degree but they aren't mad.

[Alyakia]

... Article 9 and the population wouldn't hear about changing it for all the tea in China.

Eh, their loss. When they get invaded by NK, the KPA's gonna have 7 million soldiers at their disposal.

if only japan had... some kind of defence force...

[Libertarian California]

Her father was a collaborator, served for Manchukuo and Kwantung armies. Then he took an arrow to the knee and became Korean Dictator.
Still, I fear that South Korea will go nuts if they lose the Dokdo dispute, most likely entrench themselves at Dokdo, and then become a 2nd north korea.

I seriously doubt South Korea would become the 2nd North Korea. I mean, yes they are Conservative to a ridiculous degree but they aren't mad.

In the long run, a nationalist South Korea could be a good thing. It could go irredentist-y on the North and finally end that regime.

[Marsisian]

Eh, their loss. When they get invaded by NK, the KPA's gonna have 7 million soldiers at their disposal.

if only japan had... some kind of defence force...

If only Japan had some kind of a defense force that wasn't small and crappy....

[UED]

Her father was a collaborator, served for Manchukuo and Kwantung armies. Then he took an arrow to the knee and became Korean Dictator.
Still, I fear that South Korea will go nuts if they lose the Dokdo dispute, most likely entrench themselves at Dokdo, and then become a 2nd north korea.

I seriously doubt South Korea would become the 2nd North Korea. I mean, yes they are Conservative to a ridiculous degree but they aren't mad.

Do you realize how humiliating it would be for the Korean government to lose Dokdo to japan? I mean there would be riots and the president would have to either accept and get remembered as the president to lose Dokdo, or to refuse and then the international community would be like wtf.
I exaggerated on that nk part

[NERVUN]

Not as much. Japan actually pays America a lot of money for the bases. It's rather annoying.

But does Japan full reimburse us for our expenses?

This relationship is financially draining America, and is a threat to Japanese sovereignty. Why can't we just be trade and cultural partners without spending money on needless weaponry?

It spends over 2 billion a year, which covers the Japanese employees, utilities, and some construction, operations in otherwords.

Even if the bases were closed, the US would still be spending the current amount of money unless the troops were reduced.

[Alyakia]

if only japan had... some kind of defence force...

If only Japan had some kind of a defense force that wasn't small and crappy....

15 aircraft carriers or bust