Japan plans to beef up military

[NERVUN]

How many times must Japan apologize?

Abe doesn't help matters at all, but the Koreas and China have been poster children for goal-post moving.

The Japanese have apologized several times, so the Koreans and Chinese are being sort of ignorant, but still, the fact that the leader of the nation is in denial is just sad

Yes, yes it is. He also gets roundly punished in the poles for it (Not to mention diplomatically. The US has not been a happy camper and while Abe feels free to ignore China and South Korea, ignoring the White House isn't something he can do).

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The Japanese have apologized several times, so the Koreans and Chinese are being sort of ignorant, but still, the fact that the leader of the nation is in denial is just sad

Yes, yes it is. He also gets roundly punished in the poles for it (Not to mention diplomatically. The US has not been a happy camper and while Abe feels free to ignore China and South Korea, ignoring the White House isn't something he can do).

Just to point out, I don't think Abe stands up to the Russian about those islands they lost to Russia as much as they do to Korea with the Sea of Japan and Dokdo Island and these islands China claims.

[Rio Cana]

I say let Japan build up. sombody needs to show that China is not the only dog in the yard we call Asia.

Just mentioning East Asia, what about Russia and the two Koreas.

[NERVUN]

Yes, yes it is. He also gets roundly punished in the poles for it (Not to mention diplomatically. The US has not been a happy camper and while Abe feels free to ignore China and South Korea, ignoring the White House isn't something he can do).

Just to point out, I don't think Abe stands up to the Russian about those islands they lost to Russia as much as they do to Korea with the Sea of Japan and Dokdo Island and these islands China claims.

On the contrary, Japan still continues the rhetoric about the islands off of Hokkaido and protests soundly when Russian officials land there.

The main difference is that Russia actually talks to Japan as opposed to Korea and China.

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I say let Japan build up. sombody needs to show that China is not the only dog in the yard we call Asia.

Just mentioning East Asia, what about Russia and the two Koreas.

The Russians are pretty strong.
North Korea has millions of active and reserve troops, just with cold war tech
South Korea is smaller than NK in numbers but has more high tech equipment, really just quality vs quantity

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Just to point out, I don't think Abe stands up to the Russian about those islands they lost to Russia as much as they do to Korea with the Sea of Japan and Dokdo Island and these islands China claims.

On the contrary, Japan still continues the rhetoric about the islands off of Hokkaido and protests soundly when Russian officials land there.

The main difference is that Russia actually talks to Japan as opposed to Korea and China.

Really? Never knew that, the Korean government shouldn't be so unreasonable in ways.
Still, I fear the International Court will end badly, I mean they have made mistakes before.

[Basileia Hellada]

When one lives in a region with three of the world's largest military powers (China, North Korea, and Russia), not to mention who are hostile towards you, it is always good to be prepared. Japan has it's finances and social issues relatively in order, too, so I don't see a reason anyone should complain about Japan beefing up.

[Edward Richtofen]

Because killing 24 million people can be swept under the rug.

They're 24 million brainwashed people, they might as well be from Mars. Who would ever care?

I was thinking more along the lines of systematically striking and destroying NK's government effectively freeing the people, does everything have to be total annihilation with you people?

[Republic of Wreptzle]

It's good Japan is taking an active role in trying to counter China's increasing hostility. I just hope India does the same before China shifts its focus to the Himalayas.

[Marsisian]

I think it's good Japan is beefing up it's military. I think the US should let Japan have a regular armed forces. They won't attack anyone, because the US is much more powerful than them, oh and get rid of the words in the constitution about peace.

[Republic of Wreptzle]

They're 24 million brainwashed people, they might as well be from Mars. Who would ever care?

I was thinking more along the lines of systematically striking and destroying NK's government effectively freeing the people, does everything have to be total annihilation with you people?

The problem is that if there is an invasion/war on North Korea, that's more than likely will be what happens. North Korea has had several brain-washed generations now that grow up walking around murals of children killing US soldiers and believing that North Korea is the most powerful nation in the world. An invasion of North Korea would be like a WWII invasion of Japan; the population would fight to the death with whatever they have resulting in almost complete depopulation of the land.

Getting the population to turn away from what they have been brainwashed into believing isn't impossible, but it'd be a hard thing to do and would likely have relatively little success.

On the bright side, the massacre of most of the North Koreans would make the unification of the two Korea's much easier.

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I was thinking more along the lines of systematically striking and destroying NK's government effectively freeing the people, does everything have to be total annihilation with you people?

The problem is that if there is an invasion/war on North Korea, that's more than likely will be what happens. North Korea has had several brain-washed generations now that grow up walking around murals of children killing US soldiers and believing that North Korea is the most powerful nation in the world. An invasion of North Korea would be like a WWII invasion of Japan; the population would fight to the death with whatever they have resulting in almost complete depopulation of the land.

Getting the population to turn away from what they have been brainwashed into believing isn't impossible, but it'd be a hard thing to do and would likely have relatively little success.

On the bright side, the massacre of most of the North Koreans would make the unification of the two Korea's much easier.

Some north Koreans know what the outside world is like (other than the ones who are leaders or the leadership let them out), but still, North Korea is like the Japanese.

Yeah! Korean Unification!

[Darwinish Brentsylvania]

That's good for me, with North Korea and China as possible threats Japan needs to expand their military.

[Euronion]

All they need to do is purchase a shit ton of SAMs and some half decent artillery. An army doesn't count for shit if it's at the bottom of the ocean.

[Nationalist Eminral Republic]

Yep on the first part, the SK used it to build industries, infrastructure, the stuff that built up our economy.

Actually, the Japanese Prime Minister denies many of the war crimes. Don't get it wrong, some Japanese leaders have apologized, but a large portion doesn't feel very bad, or others like in this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre_denial
the Chinese might have exaggerated a lot but the Japanese did the same as well for the numbers.

How many times must Japan apologize?

Abe doesn't help matters at all, but the Koreas and China have been poster children for goal-post moving.

I think it has more to do with them using Japan as a scapegoat to divert the attention of the public away from their domestic fuck-ups. Take Lee Myung-bak for example. Towards the end of his term, his administration is facing criticisms. So he resorted to Japan-bashing to somehow divert the attention of SK away from his administration's shortcomings. I don't know if it worked though.

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How many times must Japan apologize?

Abe doesn't help matters at all, but the Koreas and China have been poster children for goal-post moving.

I think it has more to do with them using Japan as a scapegoat to divert the attention of the public away from their domestic fuck-ups. Take Lee Myung-bak for example. Towards the end of his term, his administration is facing criticisms. So he resorted to Japan-bashing to somehow divert the attention of SK away from his administration's shortcomings. I don't know if it worked though.

It didn't fully work, he only made Koreans hate Japan more and him as well

[Nationalist Eminral Republic]

I think it has more to do with them using Japan as a scapegoat to divert the attention of the public away from their domestic fuck-ups. Take Lee Myung-bak for example. Towards the end of his term, his administration is facing criticisms. So he resorted to Japan-bashing to somehow divert the attention of SK away from his administration's shortcomings. I don't know if it worked though.

It didn't fully work, he only made Koreans hate Japan more and him as well

Well at least he wasn't alone

Anyways, that's the point. SK and China's rambling over Japan's war crimes is more on a political side.

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It didn't fully work, he only made Koreans hate Japan more and him as well

Well at least he wasn't alone

Anyways, that's the point. SK and China's rambling over Japan's war crimes is more on a political side.

I hate my homeland's politicians
If the Japanese stopped visiting the War Crimes Cemetery, then issued one apology where the entire Japanese leadership admitted the stuff they did, with no opposition, then I would consider the SK and Chinese governments complete !@#$tards for still ranting about ww2.
I mean, unlike the germans, I think there is a considerable number of Japanese who don't admit the crimes of their nation or lessens it. OF course I think there are more Japanese people who admit their nations crimes.

[Nationalist Eminral Republic]

Well at least he wasn't alone

Anyways, that's the point. SK and China's rambling over Japan's war crimes is more on a political side.

I hate my homeland's politicians
If the Japanese stopped visiting the War Crimes Cemetery, then issued one apology where the entire Japanese leadership admitted the stuff they did, with no opposition, then I would consider the SK and Chinese governments complete !@#$tards for still ranting about ww2.
I mean, unlike the germans, I think there is a considerable number of Japanese who don't admit the crimes of their nation or lessens it. OF course I think there are more Japanese people who admit their nations crimes.

Japanese politicians visit Yasukuni Shrine to pay respects to those who died in the service of the country. I bet their parents or grandparents, or some of their relatives died during the war. It's the same as everyone else in the world. The problem is the Class-A war criminals enshrined in Yasukuni. Unfortunately, as much as we want those criminals to be removed there, the Shrine continues to refuse. The Japanese Government can't do anything about it because of the separation of church and state.

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I hate my homeland's politicians
If the Japanese stopped visiting the War Crimes Cemetery, then issued one apology where the entire Japanese leadership admitted the stuff they did, with no opposition, then I would consider the SK and Chinese governments complete !@#$tards for still ranting about ww2.
I mean, unlike the germans, I think there is a considerable number of Japanese who don't admit the crimes of their nation or lessens it. OF course I think there are more Japanese people who admit their nations crimes.

Japanese politicians visit Yasukuni Shrine to pay respects to those who died in the service of the country. I bet their parents or grandparents, or some of their relatives died during the war. It's the same as everyone else in the world. The problem is the Class-A war criminals enshrined in Yasukuni. Unfortunately, as much as we want those criminals to be removed there, the Shrine continues to refuse. The Japanese Government can't do anything about it because of the separation of church and state.

The Shire is the reason for a lot of this?
The Chinese people wouldn't hate the Japanese as much if this small problem was solved.

[Nationalist Eminral Republic]

Japanese politicians visit Yasukuni Shrine to pay respects to those who died in the service of the country. I bet their parents or grandparents, or some of their relatives died during the war. It's the same as everyone else in the world. The problem is the Class-A war criminals enshrined in Yasukuni. Unfortunately, as much as we want those criminals to be removed there, the Shrine continues to refuse. The Japanese Government can't do anything about it because of the separation of church and state.

The Shire is the reason for a lot of this?
The Chinese people wouldn't hate the Japanese as much if this small problem was solved.

The Yasukuni Shrine is built to commemorate those who served the Empire of Japan. Since many Japanese were drafted into the war, I'll assume many politicians have relatives who died in the war and want to pay respects. Although the fuss they are having right now because of the shrine can be solved if Abe and other Japanese politicians visit the shrine WITHOUT media attention. Seriously. If it's not their aim to offend the Korean and Chinese people to pay respects in Yasukuni, then just visit it without the media.

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The Shire is the reason for a lot of this?
The Chinese people wouldn't hate the Japanese as much if this small problem was solved.

The Yasukuni Shrine is built to commemorate those who served the Empire of Japan. Since many Japanese were drafted into the war, I'll assume many politicians have relatives who died in the war and want to pay respects. Although the fuss they are having right now because of the shrine can be solved if Abe and other Japanese politicians visit the shrine WITHOUT media attention. Seriously. If it's not their aim to offend the Korean and Chinese people to pay respects in Yasukuni, then just visit it without the media.

Wait, he visits it with the media? The !@#$
I know that based on what I've seen, read and heard, the Japanese do think the Koreans are inferior to them even in modern day, I know not all Japanese are racists but they do seem to have a low opinion of the Koreans, even the ones in Japan.

[Nationalist Eminral Republic]

The Yasukuni Shrine is built to commemorate those who served the Empire of Japan. Since many Japanese were drafted into the war, I'll assume many politicians have relatives who died in the war and want to pay respects. Although the fuss they are having right now because of the shrine can be solved if Abe and other Japanese politicians visit the shrine WITHOUT media attention. Seriously. If it's not their aim to offend the Korean and Chinese people to pay respects in Yasukuni, then just visit it without the media.

Wait, he visits it with the media? The !@#$
I don't know that based on what I've seen, read and heard, the Japanese do think the Koreans are inferior to them even in modern day, I know not all Japanese are racists but they do seem to have a low opinion of the Koreans, even the ones in Japan.

I know how the media can anticipate such visit without a prior notification. Maybe Abe is just appealing to the Nationalist electorate. Although the outrage over Shrine visits might have something to do with the Nationalist museum near the shrine than Yasukuni itself.

I don't think the Japanese people have low opinion of Koreans, but I do think they misunderstand Koreans. Sort of like this:
Young Japanese boy: Dad, why are Koreans hate Japan?
Dad: Well, because they're Koreans and we're Japanese.

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Wait, he visits it with the media? The !@#$
I know that based on what I've seen, read and heard, the Japanese do think the Koreans are inferior to them even in modern day, I know not all Japanese are racists but they do seem to have a low opinion of the Koreans, even the ones in Japan.

I know how the media can anticipate such visit without a prior notification. Maybe Abe is just appealing to the Nationalist electorate. Although the outrage over Shrine visits might have something to do with the Nationalist museum near the shrine itself.

I don't think the Japanese people have low opinion of Koreans, but I do think they misunderstand Koreans. Sort of like this:
Young Japanese boy: Dad, why are Koreans protesting against Japan?
Dad: Well, because they're Koreans and we're Japanese.

Hmm, well this simply sucks

Well, they seem to, for example, in Max Brooks book, World War Z (no, it is not like the film), a Japanese character simply states "the Ainu were the lowest caste in the Yamato Social structure, lower than even the Koreans." and plus this http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1 ... 0250163826
more about nationalism than racism but still, racism towards Koreans grows even today
Plus the Koreans are outcasts in Japan, the main reason why the Yakuza recruits large numbers of them

[Nationalist Eminral Republic]

I know how the media can anticipate such visit without a prior notification. Maybe Abe is just appealing to the Nationalist electorate. Although the outrage over Shrine visits might have something to do with the Nationalist museum near the shrine itself.

I don't think the Japanese people have low opinion of Koreans, but I do think they misunderstand Koreans. Sort of like this:
Young Japanese boy: Dad, why are Koreans protesting against Japan?
Dad: Well, because they're Koreans and we're Japanese.

Hmm, well this simply sucks

Well, they seem to, for example, in Max Brooks book, World War Z (no, it is not like the film), a Japanese character simply states "the Ainu were the lowest caste in the Yamato Social structure, lower than even the Koreans." and plus this http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1 ... 0250163826
more about nationalism than racism but still, racism towards Koreans grows even today
Plus the Koreans are outcasts in Japan, the main reason why the Yakuza recruits large numbers of them

Yes. The Japanese have unfavorable opinion of Koreans. But I think it's not because they think their inferior, but because they don't understand the South Korean-Japanese relations and why Koreans don't like Japan.