Japan plans to beef up military

[Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic]

I'm disappointed about no "Mechs".

Those are still a decade or two away if it's going to happen.

I'd rather take a BUFF: Big Ugly Fat Fucker. (Airforce Slang for the B-52 strategic bomber).

[UED]

Thanks

Ok, so are like my history teachers either being ignorant or just telling people like me its a Totalitarian Communist system because they fear our heads will explode? (I'm in like 9th grade)

What they are doing is counter-productive ignorant scaremongering against communism. Their reasoning is that if a system is horrible, it must be communist, or it wouldn't be horrible. The problem with that is the CPC describes its system as "Socialism with Chinese characteristics" (state capitalism in practice). North Korea's leadership has entirely distanced itself from communism and Marxism-Leninism, having replaced it with its own ideology of Juche, which is also state capitalist in practice.

I detest and loathe communism, so I find it unhelpful when people like your history teachers spread misinformation about it. Such misinformation only grants communists legitimacy.

I'm laughing since i'm actually good in actual history, one of the best. I don't understand coordinate and this government type stuff. It gets complicated.

So anyway, back to the topic, whats your opinion on the Japanese expanding their military?
I'm happy as long as they don't take over korea again.

Japan has no interest in taking over Korea as that's from an era long past and a previous regime. Fears of that aren't any different than fears of Germany wanting to annex Poland again.

That's understandable then. If you are in 9th Grade History, teachers in that grade level don't want to put technicalities to avoid confusion. It's my personal experience too.

That makes sense but it merely creates far more problems down the line, indirectly making people into supporters of what is being criticized since the information given about it was false.

Well, I agree that Japan probably won't take over Korea
but we cannot be fully sure

[Nationalist Eminral Republic]

That's understandable then. If you are in 9th Grade History, teachers in that grade level don't want to put technicalities to avoid confusion. It's my personal experience too.

I'm laughing since i'm actually good in actual history, one of the best. I don't understand coordinate and this government type stuff. It gets complicated.

So anyway, back to the topic, whats your opinion on the Japanese expanding their military?
I'm happy as long as they don't take over korea again.

Japan's not going to invade anyone. They're just doing what other Southeast Asian countries are doing right now. I don't the opposition to the repeal of Article 9 because of World War 2. In my country of origin (Philippines), nobody makes a big deal of what Japan did 60 years ago. In fact they'll be happy to see Japan rise again and there are indications that the Philippines is tilting closer to Japan, especially with the help they gave during Typhoon Haiyan.

SK and China should stop playing the victim card and Japanese politicians should stop ruining Japan's image abroad. Although I see anti-Japanese rhetoric as a way of SK and Chinese governments to shift public attention from their domestic failures to Japanese war crimes.

[Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic]

Well, China is communist (wink wink), the DPRK is not capitalist in any manner.

When has the CPC claimed that China is communist?

As for the DPRK, that's called state capitalism, which is a form of capitalism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_capitalism

I'd argue that DPRK is Fascist.

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I'm laughing since i'm actually good in actual history, one of the best. I don't understand coordinate and this government type stuff. It gets complicated.

So anyway, back to the topic, whats your opinion on the Japanese expanding their military?
I'm happy as long as they don't take over korea again.

Japan's not going to invade anyone. They're just doing what other Southeast Asian countries are doing right now. I don't the opposition to the repeal of Article 9 because of World War 2. In my country of origin (Philippines), nobody makes a big deal of what Japan did 60 years ago. In fact they'll be happy to see Japan rise again and there are indications that the Philippines is tilting closer to Japan, especially with the help they gave during Typhoon Haiyan.

SK and China should stop playing the victim card and Japanese politicians should stop ruining Japan's image abroad. Although I see anti-Japanese rhetoric as a way of SK and Chinese governments to shift public attention from their domestic failures to Japanese war crimes.

To be exact, they enslaved women to be their sex slaves and experimented on people like the Nazis. I mean don't get it fully wrong, the Koreans assisted plus the Japanese paid us money for their crimes. They still deny that they did the comfort women and experimentations on humans. Now if they fully admitted it and stopped denying it then I would be ashamed of the SK and Chinese governments but for now until they admit it we'll keep complaining.

[Luveria]

When has the CPC claimed that China is communist?

As for the DPRK, that's called state capitalism, which is a form of capitalism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_capitalism

I'd argue that DPRK is Fascist.

It's undoubtedly so.

What they are doing is counter-productive ignorant scaremongering against communism. Their reasoning is that if a system is horrible, it must be communist, or it wouldn't be horrible. The problem with that is the CPC describes its system as "Socialism with Chinese characteristics" (state capitalism in practice). North Korea's leadership has entirely distanced itself from communism and Marxism-Leninism, having replaced it with its own ideology of Juche, which is also state capitalist in practice.

I detest and loathe communism, so I find it unhelpful when people like your history teachers spread misinformation about it. Such misinformation only grants communists legitimacy.



Japan has no interest in taking over Korea as that's from an era long past and a previous regime. Fears of that aren't any different than fears of Germany wanting to annex Poland again.



That makes sense but it merely creates far more problems down the line, indirectly making people into supporters of what is being criticized since the information given about it was false.

Well, I agree that Japan probably won't take over Korea
but we cannot be fully sure

In the current political landscape, Japan and South Korea are at odds with China and North Korea. Countries grouped together into being against the same foe aren't going to invade each other as that is counter-productive.

[Senkaku]

All destined for actions on Senkaku, I reckon.

What did I ever do to the Japanese?



On a more serious note, I think this is a good and much-needed step. Japan is a regional power, and should have a military of its own instead of relying on the US. It would also be great if they and China could quit squabbling over their little rocks, but since that definitely won't happen any time soon, this was a good move.

[Nationalist Eminral Republic]

Japan's not going to invade anyone. They're just doing what other Southeast Asian countries are doing right now. I don't the opposition to the repeal of Article 9 because of World War 2. In my country of origin (Philippines), nobody makes a big deal of what Japan did 60 years ago. In fact they'll be happy to see Japan rise again and there are indications that the Philippines is tilting closer to Japan, especially with the help they gave during Typhoon Haiyan.

SK and China should stop playing the victim card and Japanese politicians should stop ruining Japan's image abroad. Although I see anti-Japanese rhetoric as a way of SK and Chinese governments to shift public attention from their domestic failures to Japanese war crimes.

To be exact, they enslaved women to be their sex slaves and experimented on people like the Nazis. I mean don't get it fully wrong, the Koreans assisted plus the Japanese paid us money for their crimes. They still deny that they did the comfort women and experimentations on humans. Now if they fully admitted it and stopped denying it then I would be ashamed of the SK and Chinese governments but for now until they admit it we'll keep complaining.

The Japanese did pay Korean comfort women but the SK Government used it for something else.

As for the enslaved women thing, they did that not only to China and South Korea, and the Japanese expressed regrets to it by issuing apologies. But I would also argue that what the Nazis did and what the Japanese did are different. The Nazis want to eliminate another race, while the Japanese want to exploit countries they invaded to support the mainland. How is that different from other countries that colonized South Asia? Although with the hate Japanese have against Koreans and Chinese at that time, we don't know if they'll go down the same path as Nazi Germany had they not been stopped.

[Senkaku]

To be exact, they enslaved women to be their sex slaves and experimented on people like the Nazis. I mean don't get it fully wrong, the Koreans assisted plus the Japanese paid us money for their crimes. They still deny that they did the comfort women and experimentations on humans. Now if they fully admitted it and stopped denying it then I would be ashamed of the SK and Chinese governments but for now until they admit it we'll keep complaining.

The Japanese did pay Korean comfort women but the SK Government used it for something else.

As for the enslaved women thing, they did that not only to China and South Korea, and the Japanese expressed regrets to it by issuing apologies. But I would also argue that what the Nazis did and what the Japanese did are different. The Nazis want to eliminate another race, while the Japanese want to exploit countries they invaded to support the mainland. How is that different from other countries that colonized South Asia? Although with the hate Japanese have against Koreans and Chinese at that time, we don't know if they'll go down the same path as Nazi Germany had they not been stopped.

I do hope you aren't justifying Japanese biological warfare experiments, in particular. They vivisected live human subjects with no anesthetic after infecting them with horrible diseases. And the comfort women hardly had it much better. They basically got dragged off to random, malarial little islands and had to sleep with any soldier who wanted to bang them. A lot suffered rape or serious abuse.


Additionally, the Japanese used Korean and Chinese laborer basically as slaves to construct their fortifications in many places, then killed them when the Allies attacked so they wouldn't be captured or try to revolt. If the Japanese are going to deny that, SK and China have every right to go after them.

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To be exact, they enslaved women to be their sex slaves and experimented on people like the Nazis. I mean don't get it fully wrong, the Koreans assisted plus the Japanese paid us money for their crimes. They still deny that they did the comfort women and experimentations on humans. Now if they fully admitted it and stopped denying it then I would be ashamed of the SK and Chinese governments but for now until they admit it we'll keep complaining.

The Japanese did pay Korean comfort women but the SK Government used it for something else.

As for the enslaved women thing, they did that not only to China and South Korea, and the Japanese expressed regrets to it by issuing apologies. But I would also argue that what the Nazis did and what the Japanese did are different. The Nazis want to eliminate another race, while the Japanese want to exploit countries they invaded to support the mainland. How is that different from other countries that colonized South Asia? Although with the hate Japanese have against Koreans and Chinese at that time, we don't know if they'll go down the same path as Nazi Germany had they not been stopped.

Yep on the first part, the SK used it to build industries, infrastructure, the stuff that built up our economy.

Actually, the Japanese Prime Minister denies many of the war crimes. Don't get it wrong, some Japanese leaders have apologized, but a large portion doesn't feel very bad, or others like in this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre_denial
the Chinese might have exaggerated a lot but the Japanese did the same as well for the numbers.

[Auxatia]

Even though it may seem that Japan isn't well armed enough to deal with the possible threat of China on their doorstep, they are fortunate enough to have good mates in the world that'll back them up if a bully tries to push them over. Australia would probably help. As well as our good friends, the Americans too.

[Nationalist Eminral Republic]

The Japanese did pay Korean comfort women but the SK Government used it for something else.

As for the enslaved women thing, they did that not only to China and South Korea, and the Japanese expressed regrets to it by issuing apologies. But I would also argue that what the Nazis did and what the Japanese did are different. The Nazis want to eliminate another race, while the Japanese want to exploit countries they invaded to support the mainland. How is that different from other countries that colonized South Asia? Although with the hate Japanese have against Koreans and Chinese at that time, we don't know if they'll go down the same path as Nazi Germany had they not been stopped.

I do hope you aren't justifying Japanese biological warfare experiments, in particular. They vivisected live human subjects with no anesthetic after infecting them with horrible diseases. And the comfort women hardly had it much better. They basically got dragged off to random, malarial little islands and had to sleep with any soldier who wanted to bang them.

No, I'm not. I've heard how they treated comfort women and I've heard from my grandparents how they live underground every time a group of Japanese soldiers march near their area. All I'm saying is Japan issued apologies for it, and denial of war crimes by some Japanese politicians does not reflect the official position of the Japanese Government or Japan itself. I think I've said this before. It's unfair for Japan to be demonized abroad for the actions of some far-right groups.

[Nationalist Eminral Republic]

The Japanese did pay Korean comfort women but the SK Government used it for something else.

As for the enslaved women thing, they did that not only to China and South Korea, and the Japanese expressed regrets to it by issuing apologies. But I would also argue that what the Nazis did and what the Japanese did are different. The Nazis want to eliminate another race, while the Japanese want to exploit countries they invaded to support the mainland. How is that different from other countries that colonized South Asia? Although with the hate Japanese have against Koreans and Chinese at that time, we don't know if they'll go down the same path as Nazi Germany had they not been stopped.

Yep on the first part, the SK used it to build industries, infrastructure, the stuff that built up our economy.

Actually, the Japanese Prime Minister denies many of the war crimes. Don't get it wrong, some Japanese leaders have apologized, but a large portion doesn't feel very bad, or others like in this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre_denial
the Chinese might have exaggerated a lot but the Japanese did the same as well for the numbers.

The point is both parties (SK, China and Japan) politicized the war crimes and the horrible experiences the victims of the war have been through. Which is awful for the victims. Although this problem could be solved by sending compensation for the victims along with a letter of apology instead of dealing with the issue on a government-to-government level, because governments like to complicate things.

[UED]

Yep on the first part, the SK used it to build industries, infrastructure, the stuff that built up our economy.

Actually, the Japanese Prime Minister denies many of the war crimes. Don't get it wrong, some Japanese leaders have apologized, but a large portion doesn't feel very bad, or others like in this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre_denial
the Chinese might have exaggerated a lot but the Japanese did the same as well for the numbers.

The point is both parties (SK, China and Japan) politicized the war crimes and the horrible experiences the victims of the war have been through. Which is awful for the victims. Although this problem could be solved by sending compensation for the victims along with a letter of apology instead of dealing with the issue on a government-to-government level, because governments like to complicate things.

Yes, all most Koreans want is this, for the Japanese leadership to fully apologize like the germans did, and then we can finally stop hating each other and settle into something like Europe (hopefully) where we make memes of each other about ww2.

[Sardine World]

Even though it may seem that Japan isn't well armed enough to deal with the possible threat of China on their doorstep, they are fortunate enough to have good mates in the world that'll back them up if a bully tries to push them over. Australia would probably help. As well as our good friends, the Americans too.

whens the last time you ever saw australia go into a major offensive against a whole country

[Ponderosa]

That's nice, especially since they've been depending on the US for their defense for over 50 years now.

[Nationalist Eminral Republic]

The point is both parties (SK, China and Japan) politicized the war crimes and the horrible experiences the victims of the war have been through. Which is awful for the victims. Although this problem could be solved by sending compensation for the victims along with a letter of apology instead of dealing with the issue on a government-to-government level, because governments like to complicate things.

Yes, all most Koreans want is this, for the Japanese leadership to fully apologize like the germans did, and then we can finally stop hating each other and settle into something like Europe (hopefully) where we make memes of each other about ww2.

Even after that happens, the final reconciliation between Japanese and Koreans will happen maybe years after the full apology. But it will happen in the future.

[UED]

Yes, all most Koreans want is this, for the Japanese leadership to fully apologize like the germans did, and then we can finally stop hating each other and settle into something like Europe (hopefully) where we make memes of each other about ww2.

Even after that happens, the final reconciliation between Japanese and Koreans will happen maybe years after the full apology. But it will happen in the future.

Then ww2 memes

Also, what are your opinions about the Japanese military?

[Nationalist Eminral Republic]

That's nice, especially since they've been depending on the US for their defense for over 50 years now.

But I doubt that the US will remove their bases in Japan even after the JSDF proved that they are fully capable of defending Japan.

[Senkaku]

Yep on the first part, the SK used it to build industries, infrastructure, the stuff that built up our economy.

Actually, the Japanese Prime Minister denies many of the war crimes. Don't get it wrong, some Japanese leaders have apologized, but a large portion doesn't feel very bad, or others like in this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre_denial
the Chinese might have exaggerated a lot but the Japanese did the same as well for the numbers.

The point is both parties (SK, China and Japan) politicized the war crimes and the horrible experiences the victims of the war have been through. Which is awful for the victims. Although this problem could be solved by sending compensation for the victims along with a letter of apology instead of dealing with the issue on a government-to-government level, because governments like to complicate things.

Well, it'd make it a lot easier for that to happen if the Japanese just said, "Hey! All of this is true, these were terrible atrocities, here's a somewhat insufficient amount of money for the suffering whatever survivors are left went through, we're sorry."
It would make it a lot harder for SK and China to politicize things, because then you just have the right-wing wingnuts denying it.

[Arumdaum]

The point is both parties (SK, China and Japan) politicized the war crimes and the horrible experiences the victims of the war have been through. Which is awful for the victims. Although this problem could be solved by sending compensation for the victims along with a letter of apology instead of dealing with the issue on a government-to-government level, because governments like to complicate things.

Yes, all most Koreans want is this, for the Japanese leadership to fully apologize like the germans did, and then we can finally stop hating each other and settle into something like Europe (hopefully) where we make memes of each other about ww2.

You mean like these?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_oc ... ar%27s_end
^ especially big one

[Luveria]

That's nice, especially since they've been depending on the US for their defense for over 50 years now.

But I doubt that the US will remove their bases in Japan even after the JSDF proved that they are fully capable of defending Japan.

Why should the US remove their bases as long as China remains a potential threat?

[UED]

Yes, all most Koreans want is this, for the Japanese leadership to fully apologize like the germans did, and then we can finally stop hating each other and settle into something like Europe (hopefully) where we make memes of each other about ww2.

You mean like these?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_oc ... ar%27s_end
^ especially big one

Actually, Prime Minister Abe of Japan still denies the comfort women, and many other support him on that.
Its not like all the Japanese deny it like I said, but ITS THE !@#$ing PRIME MINISTER DENYING IT, ITS WORSE THAN JUST SOME RANDOM HISTORIAN OR POLITICAN!

[Nationalist Eminral Republic]

But I doubt that the US will remove their bases in Japan even after the JSDF proved that they are fully capable of defending Japan.

Why should the US remove their bases as long as China remains a potential threat?

They won't, that's what I'm saying. And we'll probably see more US bases encircling China in the future.

[Luveria]

Why should the US remove their bases as long as China remains a potential threat?

They won't, that's what I'm saying. And we'll probably see more US bases encircling China in the future.

That would be for the best.