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Postby Luveria » Mon Jan 13, 2014 7:09 pm

Towson wrote:I'm disappointed about no "Mechs".


Those are still a decade or two away if it's going to happen.

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Postby Constaniana » Mon Jan 13, 2014 7:19 pm

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Towson wrote:I'm disappointed about no "Mechs".


Those are still a decade or two away if it's going to happen.

Well, Japan's already invented this.
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Postby Resawa » Mon Jan 13, 2014 7:53 pm

Personally I think Asia is where the future is, and I'd prefer to the non despotic countries survive

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Postby UED » Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:40 pm

I think Japan needs a strong military, the sad thing is that the capitalist nations of asia can't properly unite on anything
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Postby Arumdaum » Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:41 pm

UED wrote:I think Japan needs a strong military, the sad thing is that the capitalist nations of asia can't properly unite on anything

They're all capitalist...
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Postby UED » Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:47 pm

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UED wrote:I think Japan needs a strong military, the sad thing is that the capitalist nations of asia can't properly unite on anything

They're all capitalist...


Well, China is communist (wink wink), the DPRK is not capitalist in any manner.
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Postby Luveria » Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:52 pm

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Arumdaum wrote:They're all capitalist...


Well, China is communist (wink wink), the DPRK is not capitalist in any manner.


When has the CPC claimed that China is communist?

As for the DPRK, that's called state capitalism, which is a form of capitalism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_capitalism

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Postby UED » Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:52 pm

The name of the CPC stands for the Communist Party of China :palm:
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Postby Luveria » Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:53 pm

UED wrote:The name of the CPC stands for the Communist Party of China :palm:


And the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is democratic?

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Postby UED » Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:54 pm

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UED wrote:The name of the CPC stands for the Communist Party of China :palm:


And the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is democratic?


Nope, that is true for your argument
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Postby Luveria » Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:55 pm

UED wrote:
Luveria wrote:
And the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is democratic?


Nope, that is true for your argument


What?

You haven't addressed my question.

Luveria wrote:
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Well, China is communist (wink wink), the DPRK is not capitalist in any manner.


When has the CPC claimed that China is communist?

As for the DPRK, that's called state capitalism, which is a form of capitalism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_capitalism


Furthermore, you ignored how the DPRK is state capitalist.

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Postby UED » Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:02 pm

Luveria wrote:
UED wrote:
Nope, that is true for your argument


What?

You haven't addressed my question.

Luveria wrote:
When has the CPC claimed that China is communist?

As for the DPRK, that's called state capitalism, which is a form of capitalism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_capitalism


Furthermore, you ignored how the DPRK is state capitalist.


Basically saying, the DPRK is not democratic at all, though it pretends to be

I really can't answer that, it probably is then.
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Postby Luveria » Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:03 pm

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What?

You haven't addressed my question.



Furthermore, you ignored how the DPRK is state capitalist.


Basically saying, the DPRK is not democratic at all, though it pretends to be

I really can't answer that, it probably is then.


The CPC does not claim that China is communist. You are the only one claiming China is communist. The CPC's official line is that China is socialist.

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Postby UED » Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:08 pm

Luveria wrote:
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Basically saying, the DPRK is not democratic at all, though it pretends to be

I really can't answer that, it probably is then.


The CPC does not claim that China is communist. You are the only one claiming China is communist. The CPC's official line is that China is socialist.


Oh, and now your making fun of me because i'm apparently ignorant by the looks of how you have typed your message
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Postby Luveria » Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:09 pm

UED wrote:
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The CPC does not claim that China is communist. You are the only one claiming China is communist. The CPC's official line is that China is socialist.


Oh, and now your making fun of me because i'm apparently ignorant by the looks of how you have typed your message


No. You made two fallacious claims. Do not take offence when people provide information that counters it.

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Postby UED » Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:11 pm

Luveria wrote:
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Oh, and now your making fun of me because i'm apparently ignorant by the looks of how you have typed your message


No. You made two fallacious claims. Do not take offence when people provide information that counters it.


Its no that i'm wrong that im upset about, its the fact that you said "You are the only one claiming China is communist."
I'm been defeated in debates and corrected a lot, I don't care, but nobody actually goes as far as to say i'm the only person to be wrong until now
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Postby Luveria » Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:13 pm

UED wrote:
Luveria wrote:
No. You made two fallacious claims. Do not take offence when people provide information that counters it.


Its no that i'm wrong that im upset about, its the fact that you said "You are the only one claiming China is communist."
I'm been defeated in debates and corrected a lot, I don't care, but nobody actually goes as far as to say i'm the only person to be wrong until now


You have been the only one in this thread to claim that China is communist.

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Postby Mikia » Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:14 pm

UED wrote:
Luveria wrote:
The CPC does not claim that China is communist. You are the only one claiming China is communist. The CPC's official line is that China is socialist.


Oh, and now your making fun of me because i'm apparently ignorant by the looks of how you have typed your message

In my opinion china now is capitalist just with communist leaders it's weird but North Korea is hard core communism not capitalist at all they still follow the USSR's plans kinda like Cuba
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Postby UED » Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:14 pm

Luveria wrote:
UED wrote:
Its no that i'm wrong that im upset about, its the fact that you said "You are the only one claiming China is communist."
I'm been defeated in debates and corrected a lot, I don't care, but nobody actually goes as far as to say i'm the only person to be wrong until now


You have been the only one in this thread to claim that China is communist.


Exactly, no point to actually state that since i'm been the only to be wrong in several threads
but i'm just whining, so I apologize
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Postby Luveria » Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:18 pm

UED wrote:
Luveria wrote:
You have been the only one in this thread to claim that China is communist.


Exactly, no point to actually state that since i'm been the only to be wrong in several threads
but i'm just whining, so I apologize


It's fine.

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Oh, and now your making fun of me because i'm apparently ignorant by the looks of how you have typed your message

In my opinion china now is capitalist just with communist leaders it's weird but North Korea is hard core communism not capitalist at all they still follow the USSR's plans kinda like Cuba


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_capitalism

State capitalism is usually described as an economic system in which commercial (i.e. for-profit) economic activity is undertaken by the state, with management and organization of the means of production in a capitalist manner, including the system of wage labor and centralized management. This designation applies to economies regardless of the political aims of the state, even if the state is nominally socialist.

North Korea is not only state capitalist, but it has long since removed all mentions of communism from its constitution and distanced itself from Marxism-Leninism entirely.

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Postby Nationalist Eminral Republic » Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:20 pm

MIKIA wrote:
UED wrote:
Oh, and now your making fun of me because i'm apparently ignorant by the looks of how you have typed your message

In my opinion china now is capitalist just with communist leaders it's weird but North Korea is hard core communism not capitalist at all they still follow the USSR's plans kinda like Cuba

China is unwilling to let go of communism even though they are basically capitalist because they want to cling to their power. Its the same thing with North Korea.
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Postby UED » Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:21 pm

Luveria wrote:
UED wrote:
Exactly, no point to actually state that since i'm been the only to be wrong in several threads
but i'm just whining, so I apologize


It's fine.

MIKIA wrote:In my opinion china now is capitalist just with communist leaders it's weird but North Korea is hard core communism not capitalist at all they still follow the USSR's plans kinda like Cuba


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_capitalism

State capitalism is usually described as an economic system in which commercial (i.e. for-profit) economic activity is undertaken by the state, with management and organization of the means of production in a capitalist manner, including the system of wage labor and centralized management. This designation applies to economies regardless of the political aims of the state, even if the state is nominally socialist.

North Korea is not only state capitalist, but it has long since removed all mentions of communism from its constitution and distanced itself from Marxism-Leninism entirely.


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Ok, so are like my history teachers either being ignorant or just telling people like me its a Totalitarian Communist system because they fear our heads will explode? (I'm in like 9th grade)
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Postby Nationalist Eminral Republic » Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:22 pm

UED wrote:
Luveria wrote:
It's fine.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_capitalism

State capitalism is usually described as an economic system in which commercial (i.e. for-profit) economic activity is undertaken by the state, with management and organization of the means of production in a capitalist manner, including the system of wage labor and centralized management. This designation applies to economies regardless of the political aims of the state, even if the state is nominally socialist.

North Korea is not only state capitalist, but it has long since removed all mentions of communism from its constitution and distanced itself from Marxism-Leninism entirely.


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Ok, so are like my history teachers either being ignorant or just telling people like me its a Totalitarian Communist system because they fear our heads will explode? (I'm in like 9th grade)

That's understandable then. If you are in 9th Grade History, teachers in that grade level don't want to put technicalities to avoid confusion. It's my personal experience too.
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Postby UED » Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:24 pm

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UED wrote:
Thanks

Ok, so are like my history teachers either being ignorant or just telling people like me its a Totalitarian Communist system because they fear our heads will explode? (I'm in like 9th grade)

That's understandable then. If you are in 9th Grade History, teachers in that grade level don't want to put technicalities to avoid confusion. It's my personal experience too.


I'm laughing since i'm actually good in actual history, one of the best. I don't understand coordinate and this government type stuff. It gets complicated.

So anyway, back to the topic, whats your opinion on the Japanese expanding their military?
I'm happy as long as they don't take over korea again.
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Postby Luveria » Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:27 pm

UED wrote:
Luveria wrote:
It's fine.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_capitalism

State capitalism is usually described as an economic system in which commercial (i.e. for-profit) economic activity is undertaken by the state, with management and organization of the means of production in a capitalist manner, including the system of wage labor and centralized management. This designation applies to economies regardless of the political aims of the state, even if the state is nominally socialist.

North Korea is not only state capitalist, but it has long since removed all mentions of communism from its constitution and distanced itself from Marxism-Leninism entirely.


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Ok, so are like my history teachers either being ignorant or just telling people like me its a Totalitarian Communist system because they fear our heads will explode? (I'm in like 9th grade)


What they are doing is counter-productive ignorant scaremongering against communism. Their reasoning is that if a system is horrible, it must be communist, or it wouldn't be horrible. The problem with that is the CPC describes its system as "Socialism with Chinese characteristics" (state capitalism in practice). North Korea's leadership has entirely distanced itself from communism and Marxism-Leninism, having replaced it with its own ideology of Juche, which is also state capitalist in practice.

I detest and loathe communism, so I find it unhelpful when people like your history teachers spread misinformation about it. Such misinformation only grants communists legitimacy.

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Nationalist Eminral Republic wrote:That's understandable then. If you are in 9th Grade History, teachers in that grade level don't want to put technicalities to avoid confusion. It's my personal experience too.


I'm laughing since i'm actually good in actual history, one of the best. I don't understand coordinate and this government type stuff. It gets complicated.

So anyway, back to the topic, whats your opinion on the Japanese expanding their military?
I'm happy as long as they don't take over korea again.


Japan has no interest in taking over Korea as that's from an era long past and a previous regime. Fears of that aren't any different than fears of Germany wanting to annex Poland again.

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UED wrote:
Thanks

Ok, so are like my history teachers either being ignorant or just telling people like me its a Totalitarian Communist system because they fear our heads will explode? (I'm in like 9th grade)

That's understandable then. If you are in 9th Grade History, teachers in that grade level don't want to put technicalities to avoid confusion. It's my personal experience too.


That makes sense but it merely creates far more problems down the line, indirectly making people into supporters of what is being criticized since the information given about it was false.

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